Black Bolt's Scream vs. Superman

Originally posted by UniOmni
Preus hit Superman and drew blood with two blows, Godfall.

This still doesn't help your atomizing theory, really.

We've seen Superman survive the core of a million exploding nuclear bombs, and we've seen him admist the equivelent of 50 supernovas. We've seen him in suns and black holes.. Surely, events like this would atomize him like you think Blackbolt would, assuming you know the science behind these, right?

I merely maintain that character trump cards aren't disregarded.

BB is known for his scream, and if he screamed at a room full of heroes, top tiers included, more than likely it'd be a null point type conclusion.

Nothing left, but a hole in reality or something.

Should that happen from having electrons blown away? Nope, but it's his trump card and artistic liberties rule the day.

Superman can take the equivalent to a galaxy being destroyed, but he will always be dropped by the Omega Beams, if not wiped out.

Trump cards are normally held to be the end all of attacks.

Just like Exitar taking blasts from the assembled pantheon, but only taking damage from Thor's godblast.

But as i said before, it wouldn't get to that point in a comic.

Superman would've already been koed by the master blow.

Originally posted by UniOmni
I merely maintain that character trump cards aren't disregarded.

BB is known for his scream, and if he screamed at a room full of heroes, top tiers included, more than likely it'd be a null point type conclusion.

Nothing left, but a hole in reality or something.

Should that happen from having electrons blown away? Nope, but it's his trump card and artistic liberties rule the day.

Superman can take the equivalent to a galaxy being destroyed, but he will always be dropped by the Omega Beams, if not wiped out.

Trump cards are normally held to be the end all of attacks.

Just like Exitar taking blasts from the assembled pantheon, but only taking damage from Thor's godblast.

But as i said before, it wouldn't get to that point in a comic.

Superman would've already been koed by the master blow.

And no, Blackbolt isn't beating Superman.

In fact, in a comic book, Supes could cancel the attack altogether. We know soundproofing, regardless of it being 'quasi'-sonic, cancels the attacks effect. We've also seen Superman cancel sound by emitting white noise from his mouth in JLA Classified New Maps of Hell.

And I'd be hard-pressed to believe he's beating Superman straight up hand to hand, who's shown far more power, speed, and durability.

Originally posted by Juntai
I disagree, he's survived more powerful attacks, and worse conditions than the scream. That can't be disregarded either. To think it would break him down and erase him is foolish given that. KO? Maybe. Given that he's just standing in front of the attack.

And no, Blackbolt isn't beating Superman.

In fact, in a comic book, Supes could cancel the attack altogether. We know soundproofing, regardless of it being 'quasi'-sonic, cancels the attacks effect. We've also seen Superman cancel sound by emitting white noise from his mouth in JLA Classified New Maps of Hell.

And I'd be hard-pressed to believe he's beating Superman straight up hand to hand, who's shown far more power, speed, and durability.

BUT BB has his "master blow" 😆

You aren't getting it Jun.

Character trump cards are almost never disregarded, especially if they're seen to be on the same level.

I'd wager a blast >50 kepler novas is greater in power than the OE or a Godblast from Thor, but i'd bet you big money that if Superman were to face either, he'd be killed.

Trump cards are basically enforcers of the status quo.

On a forum, where feats are stacked and overanalyzed? Sure, but most characters would be invulnerable and untouchable to others in their respective class.

Comics tho?

Surfer flies through stars without issue, but i'd bet money that the most potent hv attack Superman could lay on Surfer would probably drop him, since it's a trump card attack.

Everybody takes worse attacks than what other hero type characters bring to the table.
But the status quo requires that they still be dropped.

This doesn't work across tiers tho, since Ironman repulsor rays would only slow Superman down, and not stop him.

But BB and Superman are clearly in the same class.

Seeing the damage that BB has done with a whisper, i'd bet you money that if you asked any writer of credible standing what would happen if he screamed at the top of his lungs at Superman, they'd say Superman who?

The writers don't stack feats like we do.

And i'm glad for it, cuz comics would be hella boring if they did.

Originally posted by Juntai
I disagree, he's survived more powerful attacks, and worse conditions than the scream. That can't be disregarded either. To think it would break him down and erase him is foolish given that. KO? Maybe. Given that he's just standing in front of the attack.

And no, Blackbolt isn't beating Superman.

In fact, in a comic book, Supes could cancel the attack altogether. We know soundproofing, regardless of it being 'quasi'-sonic, cancels the attacks effect. We've also seen Superman cancel sound by emitting white noise from his mouth in JLA Classified New Maps of Hell.

And I'd be hard-pressed to believe he's beating Superman straight up hand to hand, who's shown far more power, speed, and durability.

It's not sound.

it would tear the electrons off his atoms.😐

Originally posted by UniOmni
You aren't getting it Jun.

Character trump cards are almost never disregarded, especially if they're seen to be on the same level.

I'd wager a blast >50 kepler novas is greater in power than the OE or a Godblast from Thor, but i'd bet you big money that if Superman were to face either, he'd be killed.

Trump cards are basically enforcers of the status quo.

On a forum, where feats are stacked and overanalyzed? Sure, but most characters would be invulnerable and untouchable to others in their respective class.

Comics tho?

Surfer flies through stars without issue, but i'd bet money that the most potent hv attack Superman could lay on Surfer would probably drop him, since it's a trump card attack.

Everybody takes worse attacks than what other hero type characters bring to the table.
But the status quo requires that they still be dropped.

This doesn't work across tiers tho, since Ironman repulsor rays would only slow Superman down, and not stop him.

But BB and Superman are clearly in the same class.

Seeing the damage that BB has done with a whisper, i'd bet you money that if you asked any writer of credible standing what would happen if he screamed at the top of his lungs at Superman, they'd say Superman who?

The writers don't stack feats like we do.

And i'm glad for it, cuz comics would be hella boring if they did.

However, even with the 'in a comic' theory you're using here in mind, and Superman just taking the attack like an idiot. It's still not going to erase him, because that would never happen to Superman 'in a comic'. He'd be standing there, cape and suit still in tact, with smoke coming off of him or something, his eyes go red, and we see him hauling Blackbolt off to Star labs or something in the next panel.

I don't understand why you're trying to slant this in every possible way to give Blackbolts attack a marginal chance at killing Superman here. Based on showings forumwise? He's survived worse. In a comic? They're not letting him die like that. Either way, he lives, and Blackbolt still probably loses. Superman might even rub his hands together and send it back at him.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
It's not sound.

it would tear the electrons off his atoms.😐

Since Superman can withstand the full Omega Effect, he's withstanding Black Bolts's Scream. Simple.

He'd be knocked out under normal circumstances and take everything in stride in his higher end/'all out' portrayals.

Originally posted by UniOmni
But BB and Superman are clearly in the same class.

Sorry, but that's the way it is.

Originally posted by Juntai
Oh, I get it, if we throw everything out of the window, and ignore everything Superman's done, then theoretically, Blackbolt could beat him with his best attack?

However, even with the 'in a comic' theory you're using here in mind, and Superman just taking the attack like an idiot. It's still not going to erase him, because that would never happen to Superman 'in a comic'. He'd be standing there, cape and suit still in tact, with smoke coming off of him or something, his eyes go red, and we see him hauling Blackbolt off to Star labs or something in the next panel.

I don't understand why you're trying to slant this in every possible way to give Blackbolts attack a marginal chance at killing Superman here. Based on showings forumwise? He's survived worse. In a comic? They're not letting him die like that. Either way, he lives, and Blackbolt still probably loses. Superman might even rub his hands together and send it back at him.

No, it's not ignoring everything Superman has ever done.

It's seeing comics for what they are and how the status quo is reinforced.

Going by your stance, i can say that Hulk would dominate Superman for the fact of what he's done and taken.

I wouldn't maintain that tho, since it goes against the status quo, and wouldn't likely see print.

And as i said, it would never get to that point in a comic.

But ask any writer what would happen if BB screamed at Superman.

I'd wager none would say he'd scrape his teeth to produce white noise to nullify the attack. Or rub his hands together.

Reality calls Jun.

When was BB ever going to get the chance to do anything but get his head knocked off fighting Supers? I can see superman moving at invisible speed and simply taking BB's entire head with him if he liked. Unless BB has some crazy durability I'm unaware of.

Originally posted by UniOmni
No, it's not ignoring everything Superman has ever done.

It's seeing comics for what they are and how the status quo is reinforced.

Going by your stance, i can say that Hulk would dominate Superman for the fact of what he's done and taken.

I wouldn't maintain that tho, since it goes against the status quo, and wouldn't likely see print.

And as i said, it would never get to that point in a comic.

But ask any writer what would happen if BB screamed at Superman.

I'd wager none would say he'd scrape his teeth to produce white noise to nullify the attack. Or rub his hands together.

Reality calls Jun.

Originally posted by UniOmni
No, it's not ignoring everything Superman has ever done.

It's seeing comics for what they are and how the status quo is reinforced.

Going by your stance, i can say that Hulk would dominate Superman for the fact of what he's done and taken.

I wouldn't maintain that tho, since it goes against the status quo, and wouldn't likely see print.

And as i said, it would never get to that point in a comic.

But ask any writer what would happen if BB screamed at Superman.

I'd wager none would say he'd scrape his teeth to produce white noise to nullify the attack. Or rub his hands together.

Reality calls Jun.

Wow, this is the first time I've seen someone on here recognize a hierarchy in the comics where actual reality is suspended so certain characters can "always win"--as you said, a "status quo".

Amazing 😆

But what you don't seem to realize, is that writers don't stack showings the way we as fans do.

They don't say........Superman took a blast that sent him forward in time.
He'll take this and smirk.

They say, this character is formidable, and can likely be used down the line, so to show him as ineffective only limits the mileage we can get out of him.

And i know Superman wouldn't get screamed at.

But ask any writer what would happen if he did get screamed at, and they'd say Superman who?

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Wow, this is the fiest time I've seen someone on here recognize a hierarchy in the comics where actual reality is suspended so certain characters can "always win"--as you said, a "status quo".

Amazing 😆

YOu should never enter into serious debate. You are a laughable debator. Well at least when it comes to your indestructible, Reality bending, Beyond the beyonder, cosmic cube beating, imperiex stopping, hal jording ass kicking, superman smiting storm.

Originally posted by UniOmni
But what you don't seem to realize, is that writers don't stack showings the way we as fans do.

They don't say........Superman took a blast that sent him forward in time.
He'll take this and smirk.

They say, this character is formidable, and can likely be used down the line, so to show him as ineffective only limits the mileage we can get out of him.

And i know Superman wouldn't get screamed at.

But ask any writer what would happen if he did get screamed at, and they'd say Superman who?

And if such an event ever got published by any writer, at any time, I guarantee he doesn't get ripped apart atom by atom.

However;
From forum perspective, he's survived worse.
In a comic, it wouldn't come to it.
But if it did? He would survive it.

I don't see where you're going with this other than to try to slant this in every way possible so you can think so that theoretically, Blackbolt can wipe out Superman. Which wouldn't happen in a comic, and wouldn't happen by showings.

Going by showings, alot of things wouldn't happen.

Superman wouldn't beat Surfer.

Superman wouldn't beat Stardust.

Surfer wouldn't beat Superman.

Superman wouldn't beat Hulk.

Hulk wouldn't beat Superman.

Thor wouldn't beat Superman.

Superman wouldn't beat Thor.

The list goes on.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Going by showings, alot of things wouldn't happen.

Superman wouldn't beat Surfer. Rite

Superman wouldn't beat Stardust. Wrong

Surfer wouldn't beat Superman. Wrong

Superman wouldn't beat Hulk. Wrong

Hulk wouldn't beat Superman. Rite

Thor wouldn't beat Superman. Rite

Superman wouldn't beat Thor. Wrong

The list goes on.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Going by showings, alot of things wouldn't happen.

Superman wouldn't beat Surfer.
Superman wouldn't beat Stardust.

Surfer wouldn't beat Superman.

Superman wouldn't beat Hulk.
Hulk wouldn't beat Superman.

Thor wouldn't beat Superman.

Superman wouldn't beat Thor. S

The list goes on.

Superman wouldn't beat Surfer. Wrong. Superman is fully capable of beating the surfer

Superman wouldn't beat Stardust. He'd be hard-pressed to do so, but it's possible.

Surfer wouldn't beat Superman. ...........No comment

Superman wouldn't beat Hulk. 👇 There's no ****ing way Hulk wins that fight.

Hulk wouldn't beat Superman. True.

Thor wouldn't beat Superman. He could do it, but the speed advantage hurts his chances.

Superman wouldn't beat Thor. Supes can beat Thor, the speed advantage helps alot.