Originally posted by UniOmni
Lemme answer that question.If he were a DC character?
Yep.
Marvel? Nope.
His consistent record wouldn't make it a hard sell to me though.
But Superman winning because he's Superman is a cheap but viable tactic, since it is the backbone of the character.
Regardless of your disdain for Superman's position in the DC hierarchy, he doesn't beat Black Bolt because he's "Superman." He beats him because he's flat out more powerful.
Originally posted by UniOmni
I'd bet you if the JLA came to the Moon and went to Attilan, a whisper from BB would drop the collective group.And in single head to head matchups, a whisper from BB would give him the edge needed to either ko Superman or stalemate him.
The only time Superman would take something like that, is if the writer is pushing an agenda, ala Superman in OWAW.
Outside of that, a whisper would suffice.
But you're gonna come at me with something atypically stupid, so meh again.
Batdude, from this statement alone, I'd say there's no point to arguing with this guy. haermm
Originally posted by batdude123
Regardless of your disdain for Superman's position in the DC hierarchy, he doesn't beat Black Bolt because he's "Superman." He beats him because he's flat out more powerful.
Arguable.
He's stronger, faster and more durable sure.
But more powerful is up for debate.
See how he likes it when BB turns his costume into antimatter.
I don't have a problem with his position.
I have a problem with him winning because he's Superman.
Nostalgia for childhood memories is a shitty reason for winning as well.
Originally posted by UniOmni
Arguable.He's stronger, faster and more durable sure.
But more powerful is up for debate.
See how he likes it when BB turns his costume into antimatter.
I don't have a problem with his position.
I have a problem with him winning because he's Superman.
Nostalgia for childhood memories is a shitty reason for winning as well.
Didn't Black Bolt also struggle to take down Apocalypse with a scream?
It's not as if his scream gives him the automatic win against top tiers.
If you're willing to accept Black Bolt turning things into anti matter, than there should be nothing wrong with Superman creating white noise thus disabling the effects of Black Bolt's voice.
And nostalgic childhood memories also has nothing to do with the reason why Superman beats BB.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
True. I just want you to tell Uniomni that Black Bolt beating the JLA with a whisper (or at all) is horseshit. 😛
And you obviously don't understand how comics work.
It's basically the ninja law.
If the JLA blitzed Attilan with violence in their intent, you'd see BB step outside, and some panel monologue about the silent monarch being able to vaporize them all with a thought. Then something about him choosing to be merciful, and then he speaks.
One small word, and devastation follows.
The smoke clears, and in a crater a mile or two wide, lay the JLA unconscious.
Later on in the story, Superman stalemates BB, and then they join with the Inhumans to take down the cosmic threat, with Superman and BB both being impressed with the others power.
Likely to happen in a comic.
Originally posted by batdude123
Didn't Black Bolt also struggle to take down Apocalypse with a scream?It's not as if his scream gives him the automatic win against top tiers.
If you're willing to accept Black Bolt turning things into anti matter, than there should be nothing wrong with Superman creating white noise thus disabling the effects of Black Bolt's voice.
And nostalgic childhood memories also has nothing to do with the reason why Superman beats BB.
As i said.
BB didn't take down Apoc with a scream true.
But that's the only time i can recall that the voice was disregarded.
And it's debateable that Superman defeats BB as i've said.
He took on a sentient pocket universe in Graviton, and even voided multiple minature blackholes in the comic.
It's not cut and dry that Superman defeats him, and a case can be made for either side imo.
And Hulk did beat BB off panel, after getting a powerup and being the maddest he's been to this point.
No shame in losing after someone's gotten a powerup.
Originally posted by UniOmni
And you obviously don't understand how comics work.It's basically the ninja law.
If the JLA blitzed Attilan with violence in their intent, you'd see BB step outside, and some panel monologue about the silent monarch being able to vaporize them all with a thought. Then something about him choosing to be merciful, and then he speaks.
One small word, and devastation follows.
The smoke clears, and in a crater a mile or two wide, lay the JLA unconscious.
Later on in the story, Superman stalemates BB, and then they join with the Inhumans to take down the cosmic threat, with Superman and BB both being impressed with the others power.
Likely to happen in a comic.
...............THIS IS NOT A COMIC. This is KMC, and under forum rules, not comic setup or how this would go down in a comic, the JLA beats the living shit out of Black Bolt.
Even in a damn comic, BB couldn't win. How would he beat Flash, or Martian Manhunter, or Wonder Woman's lasso, or Green Lantern?
This arguement is completely retarded. 👇 man, even ****ing Hudlin doesn't wank Black Panther the way you wank Black Bolt. dur
And you don't realize that in comics, one always does great against the many.
See Superman & Batsy vs the team that Luthor sent in S/B.
OR Superman in Ending Battle.
Or The End.
OR Up up and Away.
In a team vs one setting, the team is always lowered, whereas the potency of the one is always heightened.
IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME IN COMICS!
I don't know why i continually debate against someone so mullishly stupid.
Originally posted by UniOmni
And you don't realize that in comics, one always does great against the many.See Superman & Batsy vs the team that Luthor sent in S/B.
OR Superman in Ending Battle.
Or The End.
OR Up up and Away.
In a team vs one setting, the team is always lowered, whereas the potency of the one is always heightened.
IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME IN COMICS!
I don't know why i continually debate against someone so mullishly stupid.
If you're going to use that kind of shitty logic, go debate on CBR or Superherochat. You're obviously not cut out or qualified to be on KMC. 😮💨
Originally posted by UniOmni
And you don't realize that in comics, one always does great against the many.See Superman & Batsy vs the team that Luthor sent in S/B.
OR Superman in Ending Battle.
Or The End.
OR Up up and Away.
In a team vs one setting, the team is always lowered, whereas the potency of the one is always heightened.
IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME IN COMICS!
Of course none of that really applies here 😬
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