This is Vader right after he got into the suit? Then, yeah, he likely loses. Vader regains a lot of his skill with the blade months after RotS (mainly during "Rise of Darth Vader"😉. His uber Force powers (which are superior to Anakin's) progress throughout the two decades he has under Sidious.
The lightsaber fight wouldn't be close, methinks, and the Force fight might land Vader a victory, but he'd work for it.
Originally posted by Spartan ll
No. Pre-Suit ROTS Vader was probably his overall peak, but he had learned to control his emotions and channel that into concentration, he wouldve OWNED Obi-Wan with ease.When suited Vader battled Maul in the comics, I think the time was set a few months after either ANH or ESB, and he was defeated by Maul, so since ROTS Vader is probably weaker and less experienced, he would probably be guaranteed to lose in a saber fight, since he's still getting used to the suit.
I meant would you say that was suited Vader's peak. Exactly right after he got the suit he could barely walk, plus he would need to readjust his fighting style play to the strengths of the suit.
When has maul ever demonstrated the use of Forcelightning, I'm with Vader, in the fight on Kalakar VI It seemed to me like they where even maul speed did to pretty good with Vaders bruth strenght, the turn in that battle was when Vader Cut maul blade in two and Maul switch to Jar'kei I think it called, and at that point of time Vader was losing, until there in my openion they where evenly matched.
This is stupid...someone post PROOF, not Maul fanboy shit, that the Maul that fought Vader was either weaker or stronger than the real Maul.
*awaits DS19's Maul bullshit*
There is no proof one way or the other of that Maul's power level. As far we know, he could completely uber and pwn all, or he could be no better than Kit Fisto. WE DON'T KNOW. So using that as an example is idiotic. Then even if you say it was Maul brought back by Sith magic or whatever, but he now has mechanical legs, we have no idea about the technology that made up those legs and how they compare to his real legs.
It doesn't matter hoe Vader won...he won. Maul could have done this, and could have done that, but ya know what...HE DIDN'T. So shoulda woulda coulda's DON'T apply here.
And Gideon's right, although Anakin's overall potential was severely hampered, his skill went up after learning from THE Sith lord, Darth Sidious. I'll say if Maul takes this, it is extremely difficult, and not without sever injury himself. But overall, Vader has it the majority of the time.
Originally posted by Gideon
This is Vader right after he got into the suit? Then, yeah, he likely loses. Vader regains a lot of his skill with the blade months after RotS (mainly during "Rise of Darth Vader"😉. His uber Force powers (which are superior to Anakin's) progress throughout the two decades he has under Sidious.The lightsaber fight wouldn't be close, methinks, and the Force fight might land Vader a victory, but he'd work for it.
Though if this is ESB Vader, he will defeat Maul in a pure Force Contest without much difficulty.
But since this is ROTS Vader (pre-suited). He will defeat Maul in a pure Saber Combat but still this fight will not be easy for him. And in case of a pure Force Contest between these two, it is hard to decide that who will win because Maul is also strong in the Force.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I agree with this assertion.Though if this is ESB Vader, he will defeat Maul in a pure Force Contest without much difficulty.
But since this is ROTS Vader (pre-suited). He will defeat Maul in a pure Saber Combat but still this fight will not be easy for him. And in case of a pure Force Contest between these two, it is hard to decide that who will win because Maul is also strong in the Force.
Agreed. Except I believe a better case could be made for pre-suit Vader winning a force fight.
Originally posted by Darth SubjektYou're getting confused with Star Wars Tales and the Infinites comics. Maul was resurrected(With both legs and torso attached) by those Dark Side Magician dudes in hopes of defeating Vader and taking his place at Sidious' side. Nothing to do with that other Maul.
Then even if you say it was Maul brought back by Sith magic or whatever, but he now has mechanical legs, we have no idea about the technology that made up those legs and how they compare to his real legs.It doesn't matter hoe Vader won...he won. Maul could have done this, and could have done that, but ya know what...HE DIDN'T. So shoulda woulda coulda's DON'T apply here.
And Gideon's right, although Anakin's overall potential was severely hampered, his [b]skill
went up after learning from THE Sith lord, Darth Sidious. I'll say if Maul takes this, it is extremely difficult, and not without sever injury himself. But overall, Vader has it the majority of the time. [/B]
Bullshit. Suited Vader got in a cheap shot, who's to say if they dueled again, Maul wouldn't just finish him off? Maul>Suited Vader in sabers, Suited Vader>Maul in Force.
Suited Vader takes it in Force, but he loses in sabers. The Star Wars Tales comics basically shows this, with Vader getting in a cheap shot.
But this isn't suited Vader, this is non-suited Vader, which means he still defeats Maul in Force and has alittle difficulty defeating him in sabers.
Originally posted by Spartan ll
Suited Vader takes it in Force, but he loses in sabers. The Star Wars Tales comics basically shows this, with Vader getting in a cheap shot.
This sounds a lot like Anakin vs Dooku. People say that Anakin got a cheap shot because he grabbed a hold of Dooku's arms and sliced them off. Vader won because of pure skill and knowledge. Who would have stabbed himself just to kill his opponent? Vader; that's who. He did something Maul would never have expected and because of that Vader won.
Originally posted by ESB -1138Bullshit. After Dooku goaded Anakin, Anakin was dominating the fight, he was literally overwhelming Dooku into making a mistake. You're comparing apples and oranges. Again, bullshit. It takes knowledge and skill just to stab yourself? Uh, yeah. Not buying it. Again, bullshit. Anyone couldve done that. He lost the saber duel, and I agree with your last sentence, that he did win overall, but Maul basically won the saber duel till Vader stabbed himself. Nowhere did it show Vader defeating Maul in a straight out saber duel, though it did show Maul doing this. And, again, who's to say if in this thread's duel, Maul wouldn't just finish Vader off?
This sounds a lot like Anakin vs Dooku. People say that Anakin got a cheap shot because he grabbed a hold of Dooku's arms and sliced them off. Vader won because of pure skill and knowledge. Who would have stabbed himself just to kill his opponent? Vader; that's who. He did something Maul would never have expected and because of that Vader won.
Maul hasn't used force lightning. However, he has "far superior darkside knowledge" than Mighella, a dark witch who used force lightning.
Also, to be fair, Exar Kun never used force lightning. I don't think Sadow did either (I know his blade radiated with electricity, but it could have been an alchemical property of the weapon).
Originally posted by DARKLORDCAEDUSOh you mean when he couldn't even walk...well yea, thats fair. Guy loses his body, his wife, his kid (to him), his best friend and the entire order that he was part of...add that with him not being able to move...yea, good fight indeed.
This is suited Vader in ROTS.
Originally posted by Spartan ll
It takes knowledge and skill just to stab yourself? Uh, yeah. Not buying it. Again, bullshit. Anyone couldve done that. He lost the saber duel, and I agree with your last sentence, that he did win overall, but Maul basically won the saber duel till Vader stabbed himself. Nowhere did it show Vader defeating Maul in a straight out saber duel, though it did show Maul doing this. And, again, who's to say if in this thread's duel, Maul wouldn't just finish Vader off?
No Vader never used the force. Doing something unexpected does take skill.
Who in their right mind would do that? Anyone other then Vader would have been killed from stabbing themselves with a lightsaber. Heck even another revived Maul fought Obi-Wan Kenobi and got beat by him.