Originally posted by ESB -1138In that comic, true, however, other books and comics BEFORE that event have shown he has far superior knowledge in the force than Maul. Bullshit. Doing something unexpected takes balls. Vader aswell as countless others(IE; Luke not using his targeting computer to take out the Death Star, Han having the balls to come back and help the Rebels near the end of the attack on the DS l, etc...) have shown that.
No Vader never used the force. Doing something unexpected does take skill.Who in their right mind would do that? Anyone other then Vader would have been killed from stabbing themselves with a lightsaber. Heck even another revived Maul fought Obi-Wan Kenobi and got beat by him.
Anyone. Maybe, maybe not. And if Palpatine hadn't come in time, wouldn't he have died from his injuries anyway? But that isn't the point. Vader may have saved his ass doing that, but he was still beaten and at Maul's mercy before then, was he not? And this is suited ROTS Vader in this fight, so if that Vader(After ANH) got beaten by Maul in a saber duel, then ROTS Suited Vader should be a piece of cake.
And that comic(Where Obi-Wan fights Darth Maul on Tatooine) isn't canon, BTW. One of the authors already addressed that. It's an Infinities comic, if you will😉
Originally posted by UtrigitaNo. Suit vader is above presuit vader in force mastery and skill
No he doesn't Suit Vader has killed him, and pre-suit Vader is above Suit Vader when it comes to basically everything.
Originally posted by kamhalQuit being anti vader/ anakin is way better than vader in sabers but not in the force
So, you mean that, after anakin being burn alive, he magically increased his force powers? Then you accuse the others from being bias about his favourite character...
Originally posted by kamhalRight a pure saber duel. Vader> him with the force(maul) but he will have to work for it
Anakin pre-mustafar easily beats maul, after mustafar he loses badly (if by ANH he had that much trouble with him, imagine 19 years before...).
Originally posted by Spartan ll
In that comic, true, however, other books and comics BEFORE that event have shown he has far superior knowledge in the force than Maul. Bullshit. Doing something unexpected takes balls. Vader aswell as countless others(IE; Luke not using his targeting computer to take out the Death Star, Han having the balls to come back and help the Rebels near the end of the attack on the DS l, etc...) have shown that.Anyone. Maybe, maybe not. And if Palpatine hadn't come in time, wouldn't he have died from his injuries anyway? But that isn't the point. Vader may have saved his ass doing that, but he was still beaten and at Maul's mercy before then, was he not? And this is suited ROTS Vader in this fight, so if that Vader(After ANH) got beaten by Maul in a saber duel, then ROTS Suited Vader should be a piece of cake.
And that comic(Where Obi-Wan fights Darth Maul on Tatooine) isn't canon, BTW. One of the authors already addressed that. It's an Infinities comic, if you will😉
In that comic Maul began getting the upperhand in the moment vader cut his doublebladed saber in two, and Maul switch to Jar'Kei which Vader couldn't defent himself against probably until that point, from my point of view they where even in sabercombat, maul was quicker but it was matched by Vaders pure strength.
Also I was under the expression that this was pre-suit Vader.
Originally posted by Manslayer
No. Suit vader is above presuit vader in force mastery and skillQuit being anti vader/ anakin is way better than vader in sabers but not in the force
Right a pure saber duel. Vader> him with the force(maul) but he will have to work for it
Force mastery agree but Skill are you refering to skills with a lightsaber because with a lightsaber Anakin without his armor was better then Vader in his armor, Vader had to change his combat stil because of him lacking the agility that he former possessed. He was better in sabercombat without the armor.
Originally posted by Count MakashiBullshit. As CAEDUS put it a page or so back, this is Suited Vader, which means HE'S the one that gets killed with incredible ease. And even if it was non-suit Vader, he would still have a hard time with Maul, when it comes to sabers.
ROTS Vader wins with incredible ease, he is just to good with sabers.
The beginning of the thread says ROTS Vader, but even if its suited Vader, he loses after a hard fight at worst, we have no idea how good the Maul from the comic is, compared to the one, from TPM.
And pre-suited Vader takes a dump on Maul, he defeated Dooku like he was nothing and Dooku is Mauls superior in both Sabers and Force mastery.
Originally posted by Count MakashiNo shit, sherlock. And CAEDUS said it was suited Vader. Again, Bullshit. ROTS Suited Vader could hardly keep himself up, and didn't even have time to adapt a new lightsaber form that fit his specifications, how in the hell could he put up a fight?
The beginning of the thread says ROTS Vader, but even if its suited Vader, he loses after a hard fight at worst, we have no idea how good the Maul from the comic is, compared to the one, from TPM.
And pre-suited Vader takes a dump on Maul, he defeated Dooku like he was nothing and Dooku is Mauls superior in both Sabers and Force mastery.
Again, bullshit. Man, you sure are a Vader fanboy. Pre-suit Vader takes it with a very hard saber fight. Yeah, sure. Kepp deluding yourself, fanboy. ANAKIN only had the upper hand because Dooku pissed him off and made him concentrate, before then, Anakin and Obi-Wan were getting raped by Dooku. And where does it say Dooku is Maul's superior? Maul was considered 'the ultimate weapon'(Source; TVD) and 'pushed himself beyond his limits'(Again, TVD) and defeated one of the greatest swordmasters of his time.
Where does it say Dooku was Maul's superior?
The beginning of the thread says ROTS Vader, but even if its suited Vader, he loses after a hard fight at worst, we have no idea how good the Maul from the comic is, compared to the one, from TPM.
Maul was already at full power in TPM, so this Maul<or=Maul in TPM, so i think the best is to think that this Maul is as strong as TPM Maul, because there are even the possibility of him being weaker, which would mean a better would beat him...
Originally posted by Spartan llHe was referring to pre suit vader who would take a dump on maul with saber combat.Again, bullshit. Man, you sure are a Vader fanboy. Pre-suit Vader takes it with a very hard saber fight. Yeah, sure. Kepp deluding yourself, fanboy. ANAKIN only had the upper hand because Dooku pissed him off and made him concentrate, before then, Anakin and Obi-Wan were getting raped by Dooku. And where does it say Dooku is Maul's superior? Maul was considered 'the ultimate weapon'(Source; TVD) and 'pushed himself beyond his limits'(Again, TVD) and defeated one of the greatest swordmasters of his time.
If this was ot suited vader the only way of winning is with the force