Originally posted by jasofisc
when she was "disintegrating" people their was no ash or anything left. It was stated that she had control of matter on a subatomic level and when she "disintegrated" people what she was actualy does was taken them apart on a subatomic level (which is way their was noting not even ash left). Surfer can do the same thing and it sounds like the concences view is that surfer wins because of his expirence with this kind of power.
I suggest you watch the movie again.
There was "ash," and plenty of it 馃槈
http://youtube.com/watch?v=P8cGkstg5p8
As you can see, starting at 3:12 , Xavier's flesh is being taken apart piece by piece. You can distinctly see the pieces of skin flying off into the backround. I see absolutely no hint towards her taking him apart on a subatomic level.
Even if she was, it took her about 2 minutes to do it, and that's about 2 minutes too long when it comes to the Surfer 馃槈
Let's base this fight on what they've done in the movie and not what we can assume they can do. Alright, I'm goin with the Surfer. Not only can he manipulate things, but he destroys a world eater, and brings a human back to life by touching them. I mean, thats the best way to measure power. Both can kill others with ease and can manipulate matter, but can Phoenix bring people back from the dead? I know the movie version of Silver Surfer can. Now that's true power.
Originally posted by teampac08
Let's base this fight on what they've done in the movie and not what we can assume they can do. Alright, I'm goin with the Surfer. Not only can he manipulate things, but he destroys a world eater, and brings a human back to life by touching them. I mean, thats the best way to measure power. Both can kill others with ease and can manipulate matter, but can Phoenix bring people back from the dead? I know the movie version of Silver Surfer can. Now that's true power.
True power that would be useless in a bloodlust battle between the two of them. I can kill Phoenix, because I can bring Sue Storm back from the brink of death, so then a very good doctor would be able to kill Phoenix too.
Originally posted by Estacado
Too bad that Surfer can become intagnible.
He still wins this battle. Just felt like pointing that out.
Originally posted by Validus
Surfer didn't phase in the movie. He phased other objects which is why there was always that ripple effect on things he passed through. According to the director, he was transmuting objects into water and then back into solids.He still wins this battle. Just felt like pointing that out.
Originally posted by What If...
I suggest you watch the movie again.There was "ash," and plenty of it 馃槈
http://youtube.com/watch?v=P8cGkstg5p8
As you can see, starting at 3:12 , Xavier's flesh is being taken apart piece by piece. You can distinctly see the pieces of skin flying off into the backround. I see absolutely no hint towards her taking him apart on a subatomic level.Even if she was, it took her about 2 minutes to do it, and that's about 2 minutes too long when it comes to the Surfer 馃槈
Are you saying she was generating heat then, with all this talk of ash? Even if she was it was an incredible amount that she would have had to generate by agitating molecules telekinetically. It took two minutes because it was supposed to be reminiscent of the original battle when Jean and Xavier were fighting the Phoenix, but in this version Phoenix won, after that it took only a stray thought to do it to everything else instantly.
Originally posted by Skeets
Oh,yeah?
You know what? you look into these things way to much...
I download this shit movie and watched the few parts that looked interesting.Then deleted it off my hard drive and washed the bad taste out my mouth....etc..31
The Power Cosmic is a force that can alter reality, allowing the user to do whatever he or she wants (including breaking the laws of physics), only being limited by how much cosmic energy the character can tap at a time. It seems to be part of the universe itself and it can be linked directly to Galactus as its primary wielder or even source. The Heralds of Galactus, including Silver Surfer and Nova are imbued with the Power Cosmic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Universe
surfer wins
Originally posted by lionking
The Power Cosmic is a force that can alter reality, allowing the user to do whatever he or she wants (including breaking the laws of physics), only being limited by how much cosmic energy the character can tap at a time. It seems to be part of the universe itself and it can be linked directly to Galactus as its primary wielder or even source. The Heralds of Galactus, including Silver Surfer and Nova are imbued with the Power Cosmic.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Universe
surfer wins
馃槅 If Surfer killed Galactus then he is cut off from his power source and is now Norrin Radd, according to what you said, so now we have a definite winner Phoenix 馃槅
Originally posted by What If...
I suggest you watch the movie again.There was "ash," and plenty of it 馃槈
http://youtube.com/watch?v=P8cGkstg5p8
As you can see, starting at 3:12 , Xavier's flesh is being taken apart piece by piece. You can distinctly see the pieces of skin flying off into the backround. I see absolutely no hint towards her taking him apart on a subatomic level.Even if she was, it took her about 2 minutes to do it, and that's about 2 minutes too long when it comes to the Surfer 馃槈
but where did that ash go it went into nothingness their was nothing left behind of anything she destroyed which would imply that she took them apart sub or just atomicly because you can't see the pices of the person (or even ash) after she was done. she dusted a lot of thing and their wad nothing left behind. I suggest you watch it again too just because it looks like she was disingrating them doesn't mean she does. your just proff texting to my your agrgument sound better instead of useing context (like how x said her powers worked) and then evedence from the movie. the effect looked like ash because they wanted a tire in from the comic and phonix being a fire bird. their was nothing left behind after she was done with someone. that's just a fact and for the example of x he didn't even get dusted like the rest it showed him being pulled a part. that's what we are seeing in all those instences and when we can't even see the tiny pieces anymore it's because they are being pulled apart on a atomic and sub atomic level.