Originally posted by Robtard
Well, glad we can agree on that, the "intent".No, it's not a fact, it's a fact that people try and make one word a greater insult than another. But factually they're both just words and intent is what gives them the power to insult/harm. Take the intent away and they're both just words.
The racial history argument is B.S., as noted; no one alive today had anything to do with slavery, and "white privilege" is a joke in this day and age.
You want me to agree with something that has no reasoning, validity, relevance or propriety? Sorry, but as Spock says, "That would be illogical."
BTW:
"If a Black Man calls a White Man "Cracker" with all the intent to insult and harm as a White Man calling a Black Man a "N!gger", why is one lesser when the intent to insult/harm is the same?"Is the Black Man's intent somehow lesser?
it is a fact. they are both words, but i guarantee you a good 80 percent of the population (at least) is vastly more offended by the word n*gger. and unless you misunderstand white privilege, it's no more or less bullshit today than it was thirty years ago. and i don't want you to agree, just acknowledge.
i can't believe you're not getting this. the intent isn't lesser, but there's more to words than intent. all racial issues aside, you must certainly recognize the place of context, meaning, and reception?
i'm not arguing any of this on a logical level, because race issues are some of the most illogical damn things humankind has to experience. i'm arguing this on the level of reality, which you don't seem to be getting.
"people are more offended by the word n*gger than the word cracker.
the REASON people are more offended by that word involves context, meaning, and reception." can you honestly argue this? disagree with the minutae all you want, but do you actually believe these two simple statements not to be the case?
The word "N*gger" has an entire history that gives reason for offense, cracker doesn't.
Of course "reason for offense" depends on how easily offended you are. Some people know the history of the word and don't find it offensive, but I think it's naive to suggest that the words are equal.
"N*gger" isn't solely offensive just because it's a derogatory word aimed at black people, it's what the word means and implies.
-AC
Originally posted by chithappens
If we want to explore this topic fully we have to go into all sorts of issues I am too lazy to explain, but you do have a good point.I am black and honestly, American black people are the most racist people, in my opinion. For all the crap we complain about, we continue to do things to screw each other over without trying to keep our culture sacred; American black people do not know who they are but claim to be kings and queens when no lineage may be traced back. Worse, they know few actual historical facts to back such claims , and that's dangerous and leads to reverse racism(there is truth to it but again, I'm too lazy to explain).
There is no logical defense to explain why we call each other ****** but here's an excerpt of something I wrote a while back:
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"One more quick thought. Hip hop is dead. When someone makes a song that says, “I'm hot cause I'm fly. You ain't cause you not” and people bop to it... yea. I keep hearing the “I don't listen to the words, it's just the music” argument. Ok, well that's everyone so why don't they just play instrumentals? When I ask that I don't get an answer, they just repeat “I don't listen to the words, it's just the music.” The answer is they are trying to brainwash you, keep you stupid. Now understand what I'm saying – the brainwash is not scientifically complex at all. I just mean to say that it's to make you numb to stupid shit. Why do you say ******? Because you are numb to it despite knowing what it's original context is. I say it on occasion 2, I'm just numb to it and that's despite seriously being called a ******. I'm trying to get to the point of not saying it because it is circular reasoning to try and make it alright to say ESPECIALLY when we are supposed to be the future.
The first time your child says, “Nigga!” what are you going to say? “It's ok around black people.” That's dumb. My parents never told me that, but my peers always said it. The problem was summed up in something else I wrote:
“A man can never do as he believes because he is surrounded by those who believe as he does but who do not follow their creed by example. All talk.”
I'll close there
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I agree with Strangelove, but it goes both ways. There's "white guilt" but there is also "white privilege." Until everyone quits acting as if stuff is "fixed" we will never be able to properly talk about race.
Very Well said.
Originally posted by BackFire
How would cracker be censored? What if someone was merely talking about a real cracker, like Ritz or Wheat Thins, censoring that word wouldn't allow for such talk, and I think we can all agree, that would be a great loss.
LMAO!! 😆 Mostly LMAO at Wheat Thins, very interesting yet hilarious choice of cracker given the plethora of available crackers on the market. Well met good sir, well met.
Re: Re: Re: I was called a n*gger this morning by a White man, in the U.S. in 2007, for no reason
Originally posted by Robtard
As "white boys" we don't have feelings and we're supposed to just smile and suck it up...
i got called white bastard once by a pakastani after i bumped into him in a stairway of a shopping precinct and i gripped the ****er
i felt the arrogance drain from him
he just whimpered sorry
screw name calling
everyones getting the shit
not just blacks
i get it all the time
maybe its my shaven head,harrington jkt and the Fred Perry polo shirts
England is an odd place to be at the mo
Re: Re: Re: Re: I was called a n*gger this morning by a White man, in the U.S. in 2007, for no reaso
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
screw that. if a black guy calls me a cracker, then i am gonna call him a n***er. or something worse.
i called a black guy a jungle bunny one time after he called me a yankee honkey. Diddnt really accomplish that much. Dont know why i said it, i was mad. dude said i should go back to white suburbia and listen to my country lynchen themes. I told the dude i hate country and that he should go listen to his jungle beats, back in da hood. dude stopped in his place, and said jungle beats? thats some new shit i havent heard. I laughed and said lynchen themes? True story. We are still firends today. Forget what the argument was started over, think it was over how i thought hockey was a better sprot than basketball.
Just thought it was relevant story to tell here, seeing how neither of us were really truly racist against each other, but were focusing on racial slurs just hurt each other.I think that is at the root of many racial remarks, the intentionl to hurt not the intention to discrminiate
Originally posted by vintageSW77
i got called white bastard once by a pakastani after i bumped into him in a stairway of a shopping precinct and i gripped the ****er
i felt the arrogance drain from him
he just whimpered sorryscrew name calling
everyones getting the shit
not just blacks
i get it all the time
maybe its my shaven head,harrington jkt and the Fred Perry polo shirtsEngland is an odd place to be at the mo
i like the mod/skin head look
and seeing as im constantly surrounded by people who look like geography teachers circa 1976 at an Eagles gig and people in shellsuits trying to look like wanky rap stars i consider it a smart look
if the links with the NF to Fred Perry,Harrington jkts etc pisses off various members of ethnic minorities...tough
i find the majority of what they wear offensive
e.g the vulgar obsession with V expensive brands regardless if it looks like a pile of crap whilst worn
Re: I was called a n*gger this morning by a White man, in the U.S. in 2007, for no re
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Yup. I'm just a normal guy here Boston, I hopped on the half-empty train headed for class and while on standing, moments later, all while minding my own business, with my bookbag, hands in my pocket, looking at and reading an ad with flyers attached to it, this burly White guy, who must've been in his mid-40's with a Red Sox cap on, starts mumbling, while every so often taking gulps of his ginger-ale soda, says "fcukin' n*gg*r." I turned my head to look at him, then look around, then back at him, with one raised eyebrow, unsure if that's what he really said and so he took another slow swig of his drink while looking at me then looking away; put his drink down and said "you heard what i said, what are you gonna do about it?" while still looking away. He then continued to mumble away at something else; never establishing eye contact with me again.As the train pulled-up at my stop, i stood in front of the train doors, blood boiling, pissed as fcuk, but not showing it, I'm ready to get off and i hear a voice tell from the side saying, "You were the bigger man." I turned and saw some Spanish guy, telling me this, and i said, "you noticed?" and he said "yea, wow" then I said "it's ok" when it fckin' wasn't. We got off the train and he goes "you did the right thing by ignoring that a-hole" And i'm like, in my mind, "man, leave me the fcuk alone, man." while telling him not to worry about it. We then went our own separate ways.
I'll admit, i wasn't myself coming in. I'm not racist against Whites but every White person I've seen so far today had a bullseye on their face that i wanted to punch a bloody hole through. I guess i'm ok now..I still don't think all Whites are racist, but why is this stuff still going on? Why is this stuff still happening to me...in 2007, in the U.S. I mean, I didn't do anything to that guy.
Intolerant jerks. ✅ You'll meet a ton of them. He was probably drunk. On Ginger Ale. That's right. The "ale" part makes stupid people drunk. Because they're stupid like that.