Female rape victims: Stop being weak and get over it.

I am going to contact Abner Louima attorneys and show them this message thread and petition them to give the money back to the city of New York.

Abner and his attornyes won over 8.7 million from him being beaten and raped with a stick up his butt (he was gay and at a gay bar), if you all don't recall, he was beat up, they stuck a stick up his butt. According to the logic of the original poster (who I suspect is black), he should have just gotten over it.

Same could be said about slavery or lynchings.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CE7D6143CF930A15750C0A9679C8B63

[img]http://www.cnn.com/US/9708/14/police.torture/louima.dailynews.jpg[\img]

being ass raped even by a broom stick doesn't matter does it? see, i KNOW the OP is black, as i've read so many threads from black males asking why is rape a big deal, and that women are just whinny. Ask Abner, he can tell your black ass how it feels.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
I am going to contact Abner Louima attorneys and show them this message thread and petition them to give the money back to the city of New York.

Abner and his attornyes won over 8.7 million from him being beaten and raped with a stick up his butt (he was gay and at a gay bar), if you all don't recall, he was beat up, they stuck a stick up his butt. According to the logic of the original poster (who I suspect is black), he should have just gotten over it.

Same could be said about slavery or lynchings.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CE7D6143CF930A15750C0A9679C8B63

[img]http://www.cnn.com/US/9708/14/police.torture/louima.dailynews.jpg[\img]

being ass raped even by a broom stick doesn't matter does it? see, i KNOW the OP is black, as i've read so many threads from black males asking why is rape a big deal, and that women are just whinny. Ask Abner, he can tell your black ass how it feels.

What does long pig being black have to do with anything?

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
I am going to contact Abner Louima attorneys and show them this message thread and petition them to give the money back to the city of New York.

Abner and his attornyes won over 8.7 million from him being beaten and raped with a stick up his butt (he was gay and at a gay bar), if you all don't recall, he was beat up, they stuck a stick up his butt. According to the logic of the original poster (who I suspect is black), he should have just gotten over it.

Same could be said about slavery or lynchings.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CE7D6143CF930A15750C0A9679C8B63

[img]http://www.cnn.com/US/9708/14/police.torture/louima.dailynews.jpg[\img]

being ass raped even by a broom stick doesn't matter does it? see, i KNOW the OP is black, as i've read so many threads from black males asking why is rape a big deal, and that women are just whinny. Ask Abner, he can tell your black ass how it feels.

To be fair having splinters lodged in your rectum and the cost of having to get them removed i'd say 8.7 million was a fair if not generous settlement.

Originally posted by Grinning Goku
What does long pig being black have to do with anything?

your stupid, this is the second or third message board i've been on in which a black poster is asking why rape is such a big deal.

i don't understand the motive why he would want to think this way, he should talk to Abdner and ask him why he needed 8.7 million from being ass raped by a stick. maybe when he sees someone who looks similar to him being raped, he could somehow EMPATHIZE with the idea that it is something that has emotional consequences.

i deviated, i am sick of exposing some of you folks. this is at least the second message board (the other one is a man's magizine board) in which the subject is why is rape such a big deal, the OP is black as well, the ones in support are mostly black.

Czarina that's a dangerous slant to be promoting as it shows that maybe you have become biased in your views it doesn't matter how many times you see you a thread like this posted or the race of the poster and that shouldn't effect your judgement when discussing the issue.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
your stupid, this is the second or third message board i've been on in which a black poster is asking why rape is such a big deal.

i don't understand the motive why he would want to think this way, he should talk to Abdner and ask him why he needed 8.7 million from being ass raped by a stick. maybe when he sees someone who looks similar to him being raped, he could somehow EMPATHIZE with the idea that it is something that has emotional consequences.

i deviated, i am sick of exposing some of you folks. this is at least the second message board (the other one is a man's magizine board) in which the subject is why is rape such a big deal, the OP is black as well, the ones in support are mostly black.

What the fu.ck are you talking about? I ask you one simple question, and you accuse me of supporting rape!? I hope you burn in hell.

Originally posted by long pig
I can't possibly ignore x. It's just nice to see him out of KMC's proverbial "parent's basement", the VS forum.

I see rape as something similar to a car wreck. You're helpless, in tons of pain, terrified you might die, possibly disfigured (as opposed to feeling mentally disfigured or ugly) and there's a chance it could happen again. But do car crash survivors in general have so hard a time getting over it? Not really.

But of course not everyone develops the crazies and keeps them, but they nearly all have some degree of it for a while and a lot have it forever.

Generalizations are always wrong.....wait....

The difference between being in a car-wreck and being the victim of rape (or any other crime) is in the intentions of those who put you in that situation.
A crash is an accident in almost all cases, rape is done on purpose.
Accidents happen, you might learn to accept that even if they are caused by stupidity, but being intentially abused is a whole different issue. It makes you learn the hard way that you can be a victim to anyone who's crazy enough to put their own sick and desperate desires over your personal wellbeing.

Originally posted by GGS
Czarina that's a dangerous slant to be promoting as it shows that maybe you have become biased in your views it doesn't matter how many times you see you a thread like this posted or the race of the poster and that shouldn't effect your judgement when discussing the issue.

it was just for an effect.

how much more dangerous is that, compared to trying to convince people that women who are raped are just whinny emotional cripples? When they know darn well if applied with the RACE and rape, IT'S AN EMO-TIVE response for DaYsSsSs and WEEEKS and MoNtHsSsSs and YEARS and CeNtUrIeSsSs (and I use the cap up and down to show how this is an up and down emotional issue for them, ossocilating up and down, back and forth, so it is a big issue and they know darn well it is, so why pretend as if it's not, yet, talk about rape in such a way that is equally as troubling).

Originally posted by Grinning Goku
What the fu.ck are you talking about? I ask you one simple question, and you accuse me of supporting rape!? I hope you burn in hell.

some of "you" folks wasn't referring to YOU, but the ones who are in support of rape, it can read as if I was including you in that number, but I wasn't.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
it was just for an effect.

how much more dangerous is that, compared to trying to convince people that women who are raped are just whinny emotional cripples? When they know darn well if applied with the RACE and rape, IT'S AN EMO-TIVE response for DaYsSsSs and WEEEKS and MoNtHsSsSs and YEARS and CeNtUrIeSsSs (and I use the cap up and down to show how this is an up and down emotional issue for them, ossocilating up and down, back and forth, so it is a big issue and they know darn well it is, so why pretend as if it's not, yet, talk about rape in such a way that is equally as troubling).

Yes but i believe Long Pig is essentially wrong it's just you don't also have to go down the road of sweeping generilizations which are dangerous...to prove your point though 😮‍💨

Originally posted by Pandemoniac
The difference between being in a car-wreck and being the victim of rape (or any other crime) is in the intentions of those who put you in that situation.
A crash is an accident in almost all cases, rape is done on purpose.
Accidents happen, you might learn to accept that even if they are caused by stupidity, but being intentially abused is a whole different issue. It makes you learn the hard way that you can be a victim to anyone who's crazy enough to put their own sick and desperate desires over your personal wellbeing.

maybe i don't get it, but i guess some cultures don't care about INTENT, only the act, intent doesn't matter, as they don't have all the logic to decide which intent is what, which intent should go where, so they don't care too much about it, everything gets lumped in as one. So, when experiencing anything, they don't know how to cypher which emotion belongs where, as they were never cultivated to know "intent", only to respond.

our culture cares a lot about intent and motive, we put a lot of weight behind it. some cultures find that stupid and care only for the act, and they don't ask questions, they just see the act and then, they go from there, intent isn't even part of the discussion. just get into intellectual debates with some of them and you may find that "intent" is something void. it'll give you a better picture of their mind map, how their mind is working and why they would easily get emotional over issues that are cyphered in different ways in another culture.

if rape is the same thing as a car accident, then basically, you react the same way for both, logic helps us to decide how we will react emotionally (and visa versa)..and our culture does help us with logic...

that's why in some countries, a car accident can lead to a shooting or death, even though it was an accident, and this was in Africa long before
"road rage" became a cliquish term in the states. It was on the news more then 15 years ago (I was a kid learning about this), about how African drivers (forgot which country), would shoot to death another driver even though it was an accident, then, that same attitude traveled to LA, and propogated in other areas of the country.

remember when i was talking about the black southern culture about broom sweeping the feet, and how this is seen as a curse, and even if it's done on accident, they believe bad karma is coming to the person who had their foot swept (and many many other cultural bad karma stuff that has nothing to do with INTENT, TOTALLY IGNORES INTENT), so even if you accidentally do that to your boss at work (first job out of high school), that person will hate you all the same even though it was an accident, as intent doesn't matter.

it's literally a different logic, that's why some can easily say (without any second guessing), that rape is the same as a car accident.

Originally posted by GGS
Yes but i believe Long Pig is essentially wrong it's just you don't also have to go down the road of sweeping generilizations which are dangerous...to prove your point though 😮‍💨

Yes, I don't like playing *** for tat, or monkey see monkey do, BUT, at times, it does have it's place, I read this a long time ago, and watched how others responded and just stayed back...and I just observed the arguments and finally decided to add a more visual element to the picture.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
Yes, I don't like playing *** for tat, or monkey see monkey do, BUT, at times, it does have it's place, I read this a long time ago, and watched how others responded and just stayed back...and I just observed the arguments and finally decided to add a more visual element to the picture.

I must admit you can't get much more visual than trying to imagine what a stick shoved up your ass repeatedly feels like and why it deserved 8.7 million 😮

Originally posted by GGS
I must admit you can't get much more visual than trying to imagine what a stick shoved up your ass repeatedly feels like and why it deserved 8.7 million 😮

Visual aids are wonderful.

According to the OP, Abner may not deserve 8.7 million. It was OnLy a rape with a broom stick, for heavens sake!

Poster after poster kept asking the OP how would he like it if he was raped blah blah...but what was needed is an additional visual aid. He knows exactly what he is doing, I know his game(s), and I know that he knows that you all wouldn't mention race.

Well, I truly am tired of mentioning stuff regarding race and blacks. But this thread really did have it coming.

Abner needs to give back the money to the people (the city of New York). That's what the OP is meaning to say when he said rape was no biggie. He should have just gotten out of the hospital and went straight back to work after he recovered. That's what the OP is stating. If a man can get 8.7 million for being beaten and raped with a broom stick, what should a woman get for the same? It doesn't matter, it was the people's money that Abner rec'd, tax dollars going to one person, but the OP says it was ONLY an ass rape (with a stick) so it really shouldn't have troubled him too dearly. I mean, we women are whinnies right? Can't take it like a man these days.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
it was just for an effect.

how much more dangerous is that, compared to trying to convince people that women who are raped are just whinny emotional cripples? When they know darn well if applied with the RACE and rape, IT'S AN EMO-TIVE response for DaYsSsSs and WEEEKS and MoNtHsSsSs and YEARS and CeNtUrIeSsSs (and I use the cap up and down to show how this is an up and down emotional issue for them, ossocilating up and down, back and forth, so it is a big issue and they know darn well it is, so why pretend as if it's not, yet, NOT talk about rape in such a way that is equally as troubling).

I FORGOT the "NOT"

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
maybe i don't get it, but i guess some cultures don't care about INTENT, only the act, intent doesn't matter, as they don't have all the logic to decide which intent is what, which intent should go where, so they don't care too much about it, everything gets lumped in as one. So, when experiencing anything, they don't know how to cypher which emotion belongs where, as they were never cultivated to know "intent", only to respond.

our culture cares a lot about intent and motive, we put a lot of weight behind it. some cultures find that stupid and care only for the act, and they don't ask questions, they just see the act and then, they go from there, intent isn't even part of the discussion. just get into intellectual debates with some of them and you may find that "intent" is something void. it'll give you a better picture of their mind map, how their mind is working and why they would easily get emotional over issues that are cyphered in different ways in another culture.

if rape is the same thing as a car accident, then basically, you react the same way for both, logic helps us to decide how we will react emotionally (and visa versa)..and our culture does help us with logic...

that's why in some countries, a car accident can lead to a shooting or death, even though it was an accident, and this was in Africa long before
"road rage" became a cliquish term in the states.

remember when i was talking about the black southern culture about broom sweeping the feet, and how this is seen as a curse, and even if it's done on accident, they believe bad karma is coming, so even if you accidentally do that to your boss at work (first job out of high school), that person will hate you all the same even though it was an accident, as intent doesn't matter.

it's literally a different logic, that's why some can easily say (without any second guessing), that rape is the same as a car accident.

I was adressing the emotional response to something like rape and the social distrust that can come with it from the victims point of view.
Being hurt with intent causes more emotional damage compared to being hurt in an accident.
Accident or intent is a difference unregardless of how some cultures respond to them. Just that some see it justified to shoot someone if they happen to get nicked on the highway only proves that they're just as nuts as rapists and is no statement for the average way of dealing with such events.

Originally posted by Pandemoniac
I was adressing the emotional response to something like rape and the social distrust that can come with it from the victims point of view.
Being hurt with intent causes more emotional damage compared to being hurt in an accident.
Accident or intent is a difference unregardless of how some cultures respond to them. Just that some see it justified to shoot someone if they happen to get nicked on the highway only proves that they're just as nuts as rapists and is no statement for the average way of dealing with such events.

we are saying the same thing.

if you wanta know old European laws that couple lack of intent with eugenics, watch the movie/play or read the book "Les Miserable"

as that deals with the evolving philosophy of law (intent), eugenics and punishment. as with some of the Hindu philosophies or fables dealt with the issue of intent, should people who are stealing for food on their table be punished worse then a person who steals out of greed, some may see the two as the same, or that the act itself deems the law, and others look more closely at intent and motive. the lady who was a prostitute, should she have died because that was the only profession she knew of to feed her little girl, or should she have rec'd help, did she have bad genes and that's why she picked poor choices, was her dieing off a good thing for society, or with proper help, could she have been a better value to the people around her. were the police guards who wanted to rape her (have sex with her w/o pay) because she was a bad girl and aging, so she should have given it up for old time sake, or should the guards helped her out...was the man without any mistakes in the right for going after a person who turned his life around? should he have tried to punish him even though the guy was equally punished for stealing bread as the man who committed murder? jean-val-jean (the bread stealer) was put in workers prison along with those who were murders, as intent didn't matter, they were all criminals so they were all sent to the same camp.....intent was never important in this movie, in old European laws, intent was something "new", motive was still something not as important as the final act. in our culture, intent/motive is very important, not so with other cultures, even living in the same country, different cultural beliefs about punishment/karma with respect to outcome and punishment with respect to intent/motive. the motive/intent logic is deeper, requires a deeper path of thinking.

i believe that intent is heavily weighed and is important.

rape is not an "accident", no man overpowers another and rapes their ass without y-k jelly and calls it a mishap. no female overpowers another person and uses a dildo with or without and hurts another person and calls it an accident. rape isn't an accident. the intent for rape is to hurt.

i know the difference b/t the two, SOME CULTURES do not, and i am not stating that to be racist, i am stating that based on observation.

Originally posted by long pig
Now you've lowered yourself to picking apart a figure of speech. Even better.
[b]Maybe you'd like it and it'd become a lifestyle for you.Hmm...
Of course you'll play dumb and say you meant nothing....then you'll probably go on to attack me for a random grammar error.

Also, what's wrong with being gay, not that I said you were?
You implied it. Nothing wrong with it. I don't use being gay as a means to attack someone.

It's faulty logic to believe you must be something to know about it.

I'm not a potato, but I'm pretty sure I can guess with a high level of accuracy what it's like to be buried under ground.

Has a certain group of people been accused of group think so many times they've actually took time out of their lives and made/found a picture as the only source to defend themselves with? That's pretty bad. Poking fun at your problems only keeps you from facing them for a short while. [/B]

Now, out of a "billion" scenarios, why did you think "gay"... maybe I meant you'd like the power-play thing and you'd have your wife roleplay and "rape" you during sex, or maybe you'd like anal penetration, and you'd do it yourself as self pleasure or have your wife do it... See, many scenarios that do not imply you're a homosexual. Yet, you knee-jerked and cried "You called me gay, waaa, waaa." Silly.

You're still dodging the question, no surprise there.

Originally posted by long pig
Maybe the thread title was offensive....

But still, why can't you female rape victims simply get over it? I mean, a guy beats you up and screws you and you're mentally unstable for the rest of your life. Why not just say" That sucked. Hope it doesn't happen again."?

I mean, when I got beat up, it didn't scar me for life. Of course I wasn't raped but that shit wouldn't scar me either. Do you know how many men in prison are raped? Do they become crazy crack smoking bastards for the rest of their life? No, they move on.

Honestly, can women be that weak of mind as to allow such a truly small event ruin their lives?

It happened to me on more than one occasion. My ex boyfriend considered it his right to violate me, as if saying yes once meant he owned my flesh.

Regardless, I shouldn't have stayed with him as long as I did. Those actions combined with the violence and mental bullying should have been enough to drive me away.

It messed me up for a while, suffice to say. I don't quite know where you get off preaching when you have never experienced anything like it, though 😬

Edit; also, not all 'rape victims' are crazy. Perfect example right here, typing this right now.

As for it being considered 'nuts' to cry over something thats difficult to bear, how do you work that out??

LP... The fact that people DO have a problem with rape should make it obvious that it is different from a carcrash.