proteus w/reality gem vs house of m wanda

What a lovely non-answer. The rules of the site don't dictate Proteus has complete control of the Gem. In this thread he possesses it.

The Gem as an artifact is powerful, very powerful, in the hands of someone who knows how to use it properly, and knows how to use it properly in absence of the other Infinity Gems.

Proteus with no prior knowledge of the Gem, or how to use it, or how to use it in absence of the other Gems, and relatively dim, does what against the reality warper who remade him as she unmakes him as casually as she did her other creations back into nothingness - as casually as she did her reality of her own creation?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
What a lovely non-answer. The rules of the site don't dictate Proteus has complete control of the Gem. In this thread he possesses it.

The Gem as an artifact is powerful, very powerful, in the hands of someone who knows how to use it properly, and knows how to use it properly in absence of the other Infinity Gems.

Proteus with no prior knowledge of the Gem, or how to use it, or how to use it in absence of the other Gems, and relatively dim, does what against the reality warper who remade him as she unmakes him as casually as she did her other creations back into nothingness - as casually as she did her reality of her own creation?

Do you really think wanda can effect the user of the reality gem? are you really saying that wanda can bypass it and effect the user -a user who is a reality warper? Stop playing with words and rules,why give him the gem if he cant use it to its fullest ?proteus from his first appearence was a monster now we have (svfl) hom wanda and she will just beat him? i would entertain a stalemate scenario that might be what actually happens,but with the reality gem backing proteus she wont touch him,and if its debateable if he can touch her-thats where the logic pays off

Btw-this proteus is not one created by wanda(did the threadstarter say so?)

Characters are most recent unless otherwise specified. HoM Scarlet Witch is specified. Proteus is the most recent, i.e. remade by HoM Scarlet Witch. He has the Reality Gem, and none of the other Gems, and it isn't stated he's given any knowledge of it.

The Collector didn't know how the gem actually worked and Thanos only learned how to use it after seeing the Reality Nexus, iirc. You can't use the Reality Gem properly without knowledge of how it works, you can't use the Reality Gem to its extent without the other Gems, and at the very least the Power Gem should be used with it, afaik.

I'm unaware of what on panel says that simply possessing the Gem without knowing how to use it at all would make Proteus immune to reality manipulation by a warper of inherently superior scope - the selfsame reality warper who remade him in the first place.

Proteus sans Reality Gem isn't even a debate whatsoever.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Characters are most recent unless otherwise specified. HoM Scarlet Witch is specified. Proteus is the most recent, i.e. remade by HoM Scarlet Witch. He has the Reality Gem, and none of the other Gems, and it isn't stated he's given any knowledge of it.

The Collector didn't know how the gem actually worked and Thanos only learned how to use it after seeing the Reality Nexus, iirc. You can't use the Reality Gem properly without knowledge of how it works, you can't use the Reality Gem to its extent without the other Gems, and at the very least the Power Gem should be used with it.

I'm unaware of what on panel says that simply possessing the Gem without knowing how to use it at all would make Proteus immune to reality manipulation by a warper of superior scope - the selfsame reality warper who remade him in the first place.

Proteus sans Reality Gem isn't even a debate whatsoever.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Characters are most recent unless otherwise specified. HoM Scarlet Witch is specified. Proteus is the most recent, i.e. remade by HoM Scarlet Witch. He has the Reality Gem, and none of the other Gems, and it isn't stated he's given any knowledge of it.

The Collector didn't know how the gem actually worked and Thanos only learned how to use it after seeing the Reality Nexus, iirc. You can't use the Reality Gem properly without knowledge of how it works, you can't use the Reality Gem to its extent without the other Gems, and at the very least the Power Gem should be used with it, afaik.

I'm unaware of what on panel says that simply possessing the Gem without knowing how to use it at all would make Proteus immune to reality manipulation by a warper of inherently superior scope - the selfsame reality warper who remade him in the first place.

Proteus sans Reality Gem isn't even a debate whatsoever.

So where is this recent proteus now? i would rather hear from the thread starter than you,i get the feeling that somwhere in your logic that somthing is amiss, wanda has 6 months(real world) of unprecidented power and all of a sudeen she is superior? i would say she is just as bad as spidey beating firelord..what have we seen after the hom series? which as you point out is the wanda we are using,she needed xavier period.keep making excuses for her

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
What you are failing to realize is that a user of a gem can subconciously tap the power of a gem when They resemble the users own powers. In case. Drax and the Runner. Proteous is already a high lvl skilled reality warper. SO the reality gem in his hands would be monstrous. He's a psi, who can just read the minds of someone like Reed from a planet away to realize the full potential. But in essence he already knows how to reality warp to the fullest. The gem only backs him up and makes him nearly unbeatable. I'd say stalemate or wanda gets turned into bricks. She isn't messing witht he power of the Gem in the hands of a premier reality warper. Look what the runner could do not knowing what the hell he had. And look how powerful Drax and Thor were not even trying to tap the power gem. Proteus isn't going to fall.

Thanos has matter and energy manipulation abilities, not of Proteus level of course, but didn't innately know how to use the Gem. Without knowing the nature of the Gems, without possessing any of the other Gems and knowing of the Reality Nexus etc. why would Proteus be able to use it, and why would he be able to use it to the extent suggested?

The Reality Gem isn't the Space Gem, and isn't the Power Gem, and isn't as simple to use as any of the other Gems, particularly in absence of any of the other Gems.

There isn't any basis whatsoever that he'd suddenly be a universal level reality warper.

And Proteus has never shown that level of telepathy. 🤨

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Proteus is a highly localized-scale temporary reality warper, who fails to affect people that alter probability, whose powers essentially translate to manipulation of matter and energy on a subconscious level to produce an effect.

Thanos has matter and energy manipulation abilities, not of Proteus level of course, but didn't innately know how to use the Gem.

The Reality Gem isn't the Space Gem, and isn't the Power Gem, and isn't as simple to use as any of the other Gems, particularly in absence of any of the other Gems.

There isn't any basis whatsoever that he'd suddenly be a universal level reality warper.

And Proteus has never shown that level of telepathy. 🤨

First off. Proteus is a REALITY warper. He's not Thanos. Thanos has no reality warping power. Thanos is a matter manipulator. very big Difference. Proteus is also far superior in his skill of warping reality than Wanda. Wanda has shown more powerful but hasn't shown that much skill. She did most of what she did as by product or subconcious. ANd I know the reality gem isn't the space or power gem. But Proteous isn't the runner or drax. both of whom he could defeat easily and he's more skilled at his powers than they are.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Proteus is a highly localized-scale temporary reality warper, who fails to affect people that alter probability, whose powers essentially translate to manipulation of matter and energy on a subconscious level to produce an effect.

Thanos has matter and energy manipulation abilities, not of Proteus level of course, but didn't innately know how to use the Gem.

The Reality Gem isn't the Space Gem, and isn't the Power Gem, and isn't as simple to use as any of the other Gems, particularly in absence of any of the other Gems.

There isn't any basis whatsoever that he'd suddenly be a universal level reality warper.

And Proteus has never shown that level of telepathy. 🤨

What is the difference what area of effect they have? its one on one fight..your explanation of proteus power added to the reality gem make it even more in proteuses favor, who cares about wanda scale of power..it was global..her chaos wave which she does not even controll is another story

And as for you remark about an non answer...i think you have been neglecting the debating portion of this site for too long..stick to the off topic threads and such it seems to be better suited for you,in my opinon

Though i understand the course of your argumentation quite well, xmarksthespot, i must say that nvrbeenwthagirl has a point nonetheless. The reality gem might be hard to handle for someone who's not proficient in using the powers it provides because those powers are new to him/her, but Proteus IS already a very proficient reality warper, nomatter the exact specifications (which are rather speculatative btw). The gem won't force him to learn something completely new, it will simply expand his powers.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
First off. Proteus is a REALITY warper. He's not Thanos. Thanos has no reality warping power. Thanos is a matter manipulator. very big Difference. Proteus is also far superior in his skill of warping reality than Wanda. Wanda has shown more powerful but hasn't shown that much skill. She did most of what she did as by product or subconcious. ANd I know the reality gem isn't the space or power gem. But Proteous isn't the runner or drax. both of whom he could defeat easily and he's more skilled at his powers than they are.

She had displays of both vast scope, and local skill, despite being mentally unstable.

Originally posted by starlock
So where is this recent proteus now? i would rather hear from the thread starter than you,i get the feeling that somwhere in your logic that somthing is amiss, wanda has 6 months(real world) of unprecidented power and all of a sudeen she is superior? i would say she is just as bad as spidey beating firelord..what have we seen after the hom series? which as you point out is the wanda we are using,she needed xavier period.keep making excuses for her

Originally posted by starlock
What is the difference what area of effect they have? its one on one fight..your explanation of proteus power added to the reality gem make it even more in proteuses favor, who cares about wanda scale of power..it was global..her chaos wave which she does not even controll is another story

And as for you remark about an non answer...i think you have been neglecting the debating portion of this site for too long..stick to the off topic threads and such it seems to be better suited for you,in my opinon

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The facet of reality that is time is beyond Proteus innate control, the spiritual facet is beyond his control, the facet of the mind is technically beyond his reality manipulating control although he has some telepathic abilities. All he's ever shown with his reality warping is to manipulate matter and energy.

She had displays of both vast scope, and local skill, despite being mentally unstable.

You haven't convinced me. These facets of reality that you are focusing on such as spiritual and time are non factors. That is what those gems are for. The reality gem basically focuses on making things what they are and what they are not. Proteous wins this.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
He has the Reality Gem, and none of the other Gems, and it isn't stated he's given any knowledge of it.

If it is not to be assumed that Proteus has full knowledge of the Gem, then this is spite in Wanda's favor. 😬

HOM Wanda, NO Chaos Wave 🙄

vs.

Proteus with full control over the Reality Gem,

Would be a close battle imo.

Wanda may be a Universal warper, but if Rune could stop all time in the Universe with just the Time Gem,

I think it's fair to assume that Proteus should be able to use the Reality Gem Universally as well.

I still give Wanda the win, I'm just giving Proteus credit where credit is due.

Originally posted by Galan007
That's pretty weak, imo..

If it is not to be assumed that Proteus has full knowledge of the Gem, then this is spite in Wanda's favor. 😬

Originally posted by Galan007
HOM Wanda, NO Chaos Wave 🙄

vs.

Proteus with full control over the Reality Gem,

Would be a close battle imo.

Wanda may be a Universal warper, but if Rune could stop all time in the Universe with just the Time Gem,

I think it's fair to assume that Proteus should be able to use the Reality Gem Universally as well.

I still give Wanda the win, I'm just giving Proteus credit where credit is due.

The premise of most of the arguments were however "He has the Reality Gem, he wins." with no consideration whatsoever.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I didn't make the thread. I'm just taking what's there which isn't much.

But like I said, if we aren't to assume that Proteus has full control over the Gem, then this is utter spite in Wanda's favor.

That's where I was coming from. 🙂

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
however I don't really think that's a given. 😬

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The premise of most of the arguments were however "He has the Reality Gem, he wins." with no consideration whatsoever.

I saw a lot of that type of "argument" whilst skimming through this thread.... I just felt the urge to throw in my 2 cents lol.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You haven't convinced me. These facets of reality that you are focusing on such as spiritual and time are non factors. That is what those gems are for. The reality gem basically focuses on making things what they are and what they are not. Proteous wins this.

Originally posted by Galan007
But like I said, if we aren't to assume that Proteus has full control over the Gem, then this is utter spite in Wanda's favor.

P.S. going to sleep, wee small hours.

Proteus doesn't need full range of the Gem. he only needs his already massive power and skill lvl to be backed by themight of the gem. Wanda isn't all that skilled to me. Reed witht he Reality Gem would give wanda a hard time. Proteous with the Gem is insane. I'm giving him 7/10.

I guess my biggest problem here is that we are using Wanda's most powerful version, thus rendering any of her former, [much weaker] showings/limitations, irrelevant.

Yet we are limiting Proteus in saying that he doesn't have full [if any], knowledge of the Reality Gem?

Double standard? 😬

Originally posted by Galan007
I guess my biggest problem here is that we are using Wanda's most powerful version, thus rendering any of her former, [much weaker] showings, irrelevant.

Yet we are limiting Proteus in saying that he doesn't have full [if any], knowledge of the Reality Gem?

I can't stand double standards. 😬

If so then it probably may equate to a stalemate, he still lacks the power gem to back it, nor any of the other gems to control it properly. Additionally Wanda innately can reality manipulate aspects of reality such as mind, time and soul, which he can't.

Okay really sleep time now.

Originally posted by Galan007
I guess my biggest problem here is that we are using Wanda's most powerful version, thus rendering any of her former, [much weaker] showings/limitations, irrelevant.

Yet we are limiting Proteus in saying that he doesn't have full [if any], knowledge of the Reality Gem?

Double standard? 😬

he doesn't need any understanding. Think about it. Look what The Runner and Drax could do with thier gems. Proteus only need subconciously pull from the reality gem to make his power permanant. By the very nature of his powers sincing with the gem, He'd be very hard for wanda to beat. Think of it this way, What would Extant be able to do with the TIme gem? powers that Sinc are always greater than the sum of thier parts.