proteus w/reality gem vs house of m wanda

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
he doesn't need any understanding. Think about it. Look what The Runner and Drax could do with thier gems. Proteus only need subconciously pull from the reality gem to make his power permanant. By the very nature of his powers sincing with the gem, He'd be very hard for wanda to beat. Think of it this way, What would Extant be able to do with the TIme gem? powers that Sinc are always greater than the sum of thier parts.

Just because Runner could move really fast with the Space Gem, or Drax got really strong with the Power Gem, doesn't mean that Proteus can comprehend the very fabric of Universal Reality, with no former knowledge of that type of power.

Originally posted by Galan007
The Reality Gem is the hardest Gem to comprehend.

Just because Runner could move really fast with the Space Gem, or Drax got really strong with the Power Gem, doesn't mean that Proteus can comprehend the very fabric of Universal Reality, with no former knowledge of that type of power.

He doesn't need to. Wanda for sure as hell doesn't. ALL he needs to do is be skilled at his power lvls being boosted. He has already shown to be the Superior Reality Warper of the Two. Wanda does shit unknowingly and subconciously. Most of the effects of her power are by products and not any thing she concentrated on.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He doesn't need to. Wanda for sure as hell doesn't. ALL he needs to do is be skilled at his power lvls being boosted. He has already shown to be the Superior Reality Warper of the Two. Wanda does shit unknowingly and subconciously. Most of the effects of her power are by products and not any thing she concentrated on.

But Wanda has impressive control over her Universal Warps.

Originally posted by Galan007
What you said is true regarding the Chaos Wave.

But Wanda has impressive control over her Universal Warps.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Of which only the earthyone had any lasting affects correct?

Originally posted by Galan007
She was warping the 616 Universe, [which has been stated numerous times throughout this thread]. 😬

What did she do that Lasted? Thru out the universe?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
What did she do that Lasted? Thru out the universe?

Originally posted by Galan007
It didn't "last" because she put everything back how it was, [with the exception of the Mutant population].

I want to see the warps that were on purpose. Becuz if they weren't on purpose then putting everything back wasn't on purpose either.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I want to see the warps that were on purpose. Becuz if they weren't on purpose then putting everything back wasn't on purpose either.

"You might not even exist anymore in whatever New Reality takes its place"

"Who knows how she'll change Everything this time"

Originally posted by starlock
Only the thing called the reality gem

There is everything to suggest the reality gem would give proteus the advantage

and then some,

To begin with, the Reality Gem is extremely difficult to manipulate.

The Reality Gem, alone,
does NOT give the wielder Universal control,
NOT even pocket Dimension control.

So much for the Reality Gem making a difference.

On the other hand,

Wanda Resurrected Proteus,

Wanda GAVE Proteus his powers.

Why is this being ignored.

Originally posted by starlock
lets not belittle the gem so wanda can get a win...

You don't know anything about the Reality Gem, do you.

Originally posted by starlock
alfred with the reality gem with the rules of the site would beat wanda

This is when one knows, one is wasting their time in a debate.

Originally posted by starlock
Do you really think wanda can effect the user of the reality gem?
are you really saying that wanda can bypass it and effect the user -a user who is a reality warper?

Why are you debating something you obviously know nothing about.

You're just looking silly.

Again,

The Reality Gem ALONE, does NOT give a localized Warper Universal influence,

no matter how good you can manipulate it.

Wanda Re-created the entire 616 Universe,
her power was unwittingly collapsing the Omniverse.

Wanda accelerated Genis' potential, made him blink the Universe in and out of existence.

Wanda gave Layla Miller the power to peer into Divergent Realities.

Wanda made X-Vaier, Wicked and many more, more powerful.

And on and on...

Originally posted by starlock
Stop playing with words and rules,why give him the gem if he cant use it to its fullest ?

Wouldn't make a difference.

Originally posted by starlock
proteus from his first appearence was a monster now we have (svfl) hom wanda and she will just beat him?

Ohh,

Proteus has Warped a few city blocks before,

The Reality will make him all powerful. 😆

Wanda FTW, in a curbstomp.

Originally posted by starlock
i would entertain a stalemate scenario that might be what actually happens,but with the reality gem backing proteus she wont touch him,and if its debateable if he can touch her-thats where the logic pays off

Wanda FTW, in a nasty stomp.

Originally posted by starlock
Btw-this proteus is not one created by wanda(did the threadstarter say so?)

That would make it even easier for Wanda.

Wanda made him more powerful.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Characters are most recent unless otherwise specified. HoM Scarlet Witch is specified. Proteus is the most recent, i.e. remade by HoM Scarlet Witch. He has the Reality Gem, and none of the other Gems, and it isn't stated he's given any knowledge of it.

The Collector didn't know how the gem actually worked and Thanos only learned how to use it after seeing the Reality Nexus, iirc. You can't use the Reality Gem properly without knowledge of how it works, you can't use the Reality Gem to its extent without the other Gems, and at the very least the Power Gem should be used with it, afaik.

I'm unaware of what on panel says that simply possessing the Gem without knowing how to use it at all would make Proteus immune to reality manipulation by a warper of inherently superior scope - the selfsame reality warper who remade him in the first place.

Proteus sans Reality Gem isn't even a debate whatsoever.

👆

Always on point, X.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
What you are failing to realize is that a user of a gem can subconciously tap the power of a gem when They resemble the users own powers. In case. Drax and the Runner.

I think you failed to Read one Comic that involve the Reality Gem.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Proteous is already a high lvl skilled reality warper.

Bull shit ... so early?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
SO the reality gem in his hands would be monstrous.

😆

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He's a psi, who can just read the minds of someone like Reed from a planet away to realize the full potential.

Wanda can turn Proteus into a Mouse, from a Universe away.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
But in essence he already knows how to reality warp to the fullest.
The gem only backs him up and makes him nearly unbeatable.

hysterical2

Read Comics, before debating.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I'd say stalemate or wanda gets turned into bricks.
She isn't messing witht he power of the Gem in the hands of a premier reality warper.

sign23

"premier reality warper?"

Shapoer of Worlds would a god of gods, if this punk is a "premiere Reality warper."

Where do you get thyis garbage from?

Oh that's right, you make shit up as you go along.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Look what the runner could do not knowing what the hell he had. And look how powerful Drax and Thor were not even trying to tap the power gem. Proteus isn't going to fall.

You have the circimstances mixed up,

because you know Nothing about the Reality Gem.

The Reality Gem is a class of it's own.

Ofcourse, I don't expect you to know that.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The Reality Gem isn't the Space Gem, and isn't the Power Gem, and isn't as simple to use as any of the other Gems, particularly in absence of any of the other Gems.

There isn't any basis whatsoever that he'd suddenly be a universal level reality warper.

And Proteus has never shown that level of telepathy. 🤨

👆

Originally posted by wannabe
The gem won't force him to learn something completely new, it will simply expand his powers.

This expansion will never reach a Universal scale.

Nuff said.

Meanwhile, Wanda plays dice with the 616 Universe,

and collapses the Omniverse if she uses her powers.

Now who wins?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Proteus is also far superior in his skill of warping reality than Wanda.

😆

You are comedy.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Wanda has shown more powerful but hasn't shown that much skill.

She did most of what she did as by product or subconcious.

Ahh, bull shit ...

Wanda was collapsing the Omniverse subconsciously,

but Wanda Warped the entire 616 Universe fully aware and conscious.

Go Read Comics.

Originally posted by Mr Master
This expansion will never reach a Universal scale.

Nuff said.

Meanwhile, Wanda plays dice with the 616 Universe,

and collapses the Omniverse if she uses her powers.

Now who wins?

Give it a break Mr Master,your arrogance just makes people ignore whatever you say, your opinon is all that is needed in a debate so you gave it 😆

Originally posted by Galan007
Wanda may be a Universal warper,
but if Rune could stop all time in the Universe with just the Time Gem,

I think it's fair to assume that Proteus should be able to use the Reality Gem Universally as well.

I have to disagree.

Unfortunately,

the Time Gem was sentient, and was helping Rune manipulate it. 🙂

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Wanda does shit unknowingly and subconciously.
Most of the effects of her power are by products and not any thing she concentrated on.

Still with the bull shit ey?

You don't give up, do you?

Read Comics duke.

Originally posted by starlock
Give it a break Mr Master,your arrogance just makes people ignore whatever you say, your opinon is all that is needed in a debate so you gave it

You're better off as my Sock,

than trying to debate. 🙂

When you stop making claims out of your bottom,

I'll reply seriously, when you and the other clueless joe stop posting non-existent gibberish, then have the odacity to try and insult the poster that's presenting real info from Comics, yall are gonna learn we've had enough of that garbage, just like Bran and others are fed up.