Thor Discussion

Originally posted by Mindship
To keep this consistent with past showings, they should have the Surfer appear and take Hulk out, no sweat (as usual), then have Thor get pissed that Surfer deprived him of victory, and he makes Surfer see stars with Mjolnir. Then Thor can go back to getting his arse handed to him by Hulk.

I don't think this kind of stuff went on when Stan 'n' Jack were in charge.

That's always been interesting. I generally think of Thor vs. Silver Surfer as a stalemate. But Surfer can take down Hulk with little problem, and Marvel has consistently shown that.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
People relax. That fight was absolutely fine. I even liked it. Honestly, Hercules could have done what Hulk did if he was drawn so ridiculously big (I swear at one point his arm was longer than Captain America's body.).

Hulk comes in out of the chronovirus while Thor is being consumed by it (He had literally just transformed from Blake and was then caught in it.) and we see him pop out with Thor in a choke. He gets him by surprise and holds him there for literally a single panel (The first large panel.). Thor was fine, the next panel he was conversing with Iron Man after he came in. Thor then teleports them to Norway and Hulk sucker punches him. He and Namora disappear then until the very end. Standard "One guy vs. More powerful team" rules. Hulk battles it out against Iron Man, Giant Man, and Bob. Thor gets him back in the end. He hurts him with a blow across the face and also restrains him with one arm for a panel by surprise.

http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/Avengers_vs_Atlas_03_0015copy.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/Avengers_vs_Atlas_03_0016copy.jpg

And Thor said he could not control his portals yet because they were plucked back from the past. Way, way in the past. They were plucked from like Avengers #8 after they had just fought Kang. That was like September 1964. I'm not sure whether or not Thor already mastered that technique by then but really, who cares?

This was actually a pretty good issue. I liked it. Jeff Parker is doing well even in Falls of the Hulk. If Hulk fans can admit that this doesn't show Hulk as being stronger than Thor then I don't see the problem.

I've been telling you that marvel thinks hulk to be more powerful than thor, and now the evidence is finally showing...although there was plenty of evidence before.

Originally posted by Starscream M
rage, you're a clown...stop trying to rationalize another instance of hulk pwning thor

I've been telling you that marvel thinks hulk to be more powerful than thor, and now the evidence is finally showing...although there was plenty of evidence before.

Rationalize? I don't have to rationalize anything. All you have to do is actually read the issue. Hulk comes in out of the chronovirus while a Thor who had just literally just transformed got sucked into it. Hulk pops out with Thor in a hold. He has him there for a single panel. Thor doesn't even have leverage. He then sucker punches Thor when Thor is not expecting it. That's an instance of Hulk "pwning" Thor? Well then Thor must have "pwned" Hulk in that very issue as well.

ZOMG!!!! THOR PUSHED BACK HULK AND IRON MAN! THOR > HULK!!!!!

LOOK AT HULK FAILING TO PIN DOWN THOR AND REMOVE MJOLNIR WITH HELP FROM NAMOR! THOR > HULK!

facepalm

Pull your head out of your arse. You suddenly have a Hulk fetish and are so quick to try and find any actual evidence to support your theory (I mean besides the very solid "Hulk vs." argument.) that you would resort to stretching shit as far as this.

No there wasn't fool.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
People relax. That fight was absolutely fine. I even liked it. Honestly, Hercules could have done what Hulk did if he was drawn so ridiculously big (I swear at one point his arm was longer than Captain America's body.).

Hulk comes in out of the chronovirus while Thor is being consumed by it (He had literally just transformed from Blake and was then caught in it.) and we see him pop out with Thor in a choke. He gets him by surprise and holds him there for literally a single panel (The first large panel.). Thor was fine, the next panel he was conversing with Iron Man after he came in. Thor then teleports them to Norway and Hulk sucker punches him. He and Namora disappear then until the very end. Standard "One guy vs. More powerful team" rules. Hulk battles it out against Iron Man, Giant Man, and Bob. Thor gets him back in the end. He hurts him with a blow across the face and also restrains him with one arm for a panel by surprise.

http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/Avengers_vs_Atlas_03_0015copy.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/Avengers_vs_Atlas_03_0016copy.jpg

And Thor said he could not control his portals yet because they were plucked back from the past. Way, way in the past. They were plucked from like Avengers #8 after they had just fought Kang. That was like September 1964. I'm not sure whether or not Thor already mastered that technique by then but really, who cares?

This was actually a pretty good issue. I liked it. Jeff Parker is doing well even in Falls of the Hulk. If Hulk fans can admit that this doesn't show Hulk as being stronger than Thor then I don't see the problem.

Dunno man looks like Thor was getting his arse kicked.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Leaving out a few scans there fattie.

But yeah, overall Thor once again came across as a *****.

Which he is these days.

He is?

Originally posted by Deadline
Dunno man looks like Thor was getting his arse kicked.

Really? When was this? When Hulk came out of nowhere apparently and we see him holding Thor in a lock for a single panel? Or the moment when he suckered punched Thor when he wasn't looking?

In which of this instances was Thor getting his ass kicked? You and I have very different definitions of an ass kicking it seems.

Do you also agree Thor was kicking Hulk's ass? I mean he also got Hulk in a one arm hold by surprise for a panel. He also hurt Hulk with an attack when he wasn't expecting it.

lol, this again? Really?

It's not canon to current Thor... Jesus.

biscuits

the extent of excuses by thor fans is becoming ridiculous

so far we've heard

- its not canon
- its a dream
- it didn't happen
- it was PIS
- the author is an idiot
- marvel is retarded

it's like kmc thor fans can't accept that

1) thor today is not thor 30 or 40 years ago (hence feats from those era don't really apply to today's thor)

2) marvel intends that hulk can beat thor more often than not. you may not like it, you may scream PIS or whine about other things, but that IS marvel's intent.

3) thor DOES not fight as thor fans wish he would. he simply doesn't.

end rant/

Originally posted by Blanket
lol, this again? Really?

It's not canon to current Thor... Jesus.

Originally posted by Starscream M
the extent of excuses by thor fans is becoming ridiculous

so far we've heard

- its not canon
- its a dream
- it didn't happen
- it was PIS
- the author is an idiot
- marvel is retarded

it's like kmc thor fans can't accept that

1) thor today is not thor 30 or 40 years ago (hence feats from those era don't really apply to today's thor)

2) marvel intends that hulk can beat thor more often than not. you may not like it, you may scream PIS or whine about other things, but that IS marvel's intent.

3) thor DOES not fight as thor fans wish he would. he simply doesn't.

end rant/

Also, to answer your 'list'.

1. No, Thor today is even better.
Also, this entirely defeats your previous point of Hulk beating Thor or Marvel intending Hulk to defeat Thor, since that happened a long time ago, even though it was put out in 'today's' time. 😐

2. No they don't. It's some writer's intent to have Hulk beat Thor. That's it.

3. While this is relevant to some Rageofoly... people's posts, it's irrelevant considering some things should just not happen... or happen as easily as things are depicted.

Originally posted by Blanket
Except it's not canon, so you look like an idiot for even saying that this is an excuse.

Also, to answer your 'list'.

1. No, Thor today is even better.
Also, this entirely defeats your previous point of Hulk beating Thor or Marvel intending Hulk to defeat Thor, since that happened a long time ago, even though it was put out in 'today's' time. 😐

2. No they don't. It's some writer's intent to have Hulk beat Thor. That's it.

3. While this is relevant to some Rageofoly... people's posts, it's irrelevant considering some things should just not happen... or happen as easily as things are depicted.

my point is that KMC thor fans have already made up their mind...that thor is far superior to hulk and should not lose.

so even let's say hulk does beat thor in a canon comic...they're not gonna accept it.

they'll either say the writer is ignorant, that it was PIS, or that marvel is run by retards.

my main point is nothing in comics would change any thor fan's mind. the problem is they are only thinking powersets....which yes, thor's powerset should potentially beat hulk's powerset. but comics isn't dictated by powersets...at least not to the degree that kmc is.

on KMC, flash should never lose to hulk...as he can outreact everything hulk can do. but if they fought it a comic, hulk would prob find numerous ways to win or looking at another way, flash would find numerous ways to lose.

the editors at marvel have prob a determination of how various character fare against one another. they have hulk slightly dominating thor...because thor isn't gonna use any of his ultra fancy powers and will fight to hulk's liking (mainly brawl). they will have wolverine hang with hulk despite being far less powerful. its just the way it is. kmc people overanalyze every single thing and it gets annoying after awhile. just enjoy the damn comics...these are fictional characters...they're only as powerful and smart as the writers of their current stories feel they need to be.

end rant/

Originally posted by Starscream M
I wasn't specifically talking about what bada posted...that may or may not be canon, I'll take your word its not.

my point is that KMC thor fans have already made up their mind...that thor is far superior to hulk and should not lose.

so even let's say hulk does beat thor in a canon comic...they're not gonna accept it.

they'll either say the writer is ignorant, that it was PIS, or that marvel is run by retards.

my main point is nothing in comics would change any thor fan's mind. the problem is they are only thinking powersets....which yes, thor's powerset should potentially beat hulk's powerset. but comics isn't dictated by powersets...at least not to the degree that kmc is.

on KMC, flash should never lose to hulk...as he can outreact everything hulk can do. but if they fought it a comic, hulk would prob find numerous ways to win or looking at another way, flash would find numerous ways to lose.

the editors at marvel have prob a determination of how various character fare against one another. they have hulk slightly dominating thor...because thor isn't gonna use any of his ultra fancy powers and will fight to hulk's liking (mainly brawl). they will have wolverine hang with hulk despite being far less powerful. its just the way it is. kmc people overanalyze every single thing and it gets annoying after awhile. just enjoy the damn comics...these are fictional characters...they're only as powerful and smart as the writers of their current stories feel they need to be.

end rant/

Ignoring CIS though, as this is what your post details, there is always PIS. Which I personally take as a viable excuse considering Hulk like 3 shotted him with pecks. 😬
Other than that though, there really isn't a usable excuse.

I'm pretty sure Starscream's just takin' the piss out of you guys. He's gotta have so many gallons of piss by now.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Rationalize? I don't have to rationalize anything. All you have to do is actually read the issue. Hulk comes in out of the chronovirus while a Thor who had just literally just transformed got sucked into it. Hulk pops out with Thor in a hold. He has him there for a single panel. Thor doesn't even have leverage. He then sucker punches Thor when Thor is not expecting it. That's an instance of Hulk "pwning" Thor? Well then Thor must have "pwned" Hulk in that very issue as well.

ZOMG!!!! THOR PUSHED BACK HULK AND IRON MAN! THOR > HULK!!!!!

LOOK AT HULK FAILING TO PIN DOWN THOR AND REMOVE MJOLNIR WITH HELP FROM NAMOR! THOR > HULK!

facepalm

Pull your head out of your arse. You suddenly have a Hulk fetish and are so quick to try and find any actual evidence to support your theory (I mean besides the very solid "Hulk vs." argument.) that you would resort to stretching shit as far as this.

No there wasn't fool.

The second scan shows why the recent Thor-Hulk fight was B.S. We see Hulk cannot move Thor's arm when he's holding the hammer, no matter how hard he tries. So that he could then grab Thor's arm and whack him with mjolnir while Thor holds it, is nonsense.

When I talked to the writer Jesse, his reasoning was that Thor's automatic reflex was to pull back his hand and Hulk used that momentum and strength together with his against Thor to stun him and Thor was apparently to shocked to defend himself.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
When I talked to the writer Jesse, his reasoning was that Thor's automatic reflex was to pull back his hand and Hulk used that momentum and strength together with his against Thor to stun him and Thor was apparently to shocked to defend himself.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
When I talked to the writer Jesse, his reasoning was that Thor's automatic reflex was to pull back his hand and Hulk used that momentum and strength together with his against Thor to stun him and Thor was apparently to shocked to defend himself.

Speaking of rights:

True story. durhulk

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
When I talked to the writer Jesse, his reasoning was that Thor's automatic reflex was to pull back his hand and Hulk used that momentum and strength together with his against Thor to stun him and Thor was apparently to shocked to defend himself.

I was debating this with some of my fellow comic fans and I wanted to see what you guys thought about it. Sorry in advance if it's been discussed in length, already.

Do you prefer Thor with the Donald Blake persona/mortal host or without?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I was debating this with some of my fellow comic fans and I wanted to see what you guys thought about it. Sorry in advance if it's been discussed in length, already.

Do you prefer Thor with the Donald Blake persona/mortal host or without?