Thor Discussion

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Well, to say nothing that Odin wasn't exactly perfect, either. The dude for all his wisdom and foresight was something of an ass, too. Granted, his manipulation ultimately saved Asgard from meaningless cycles of rebirth and gave Thor the chance to live his own life (which is why I disprove of Odin coming back in Fraction's run, though, I do like that Odin is pissed he's back, at least).

I think writers tend to forget that when it comes down to it, Thor is extremely noble, especially now. Dr. Strange about had a spaz attack when he faced Thor's immortal soul and Mephisto freaked from Thor's purity, too. Guy can be prideful and stuff, but that's just his Asgardian nature.

One of my only beefs with the Thor movie is the fact that there is allegedly no Balder. WTF.

And in other news, beating Galactus' ass with Thor in Marvel vs. Capcom 3 feels pretty cool lol

Meh, Odin is a lot better than most people give him credit for. His manipulations some times don't take into account the feelings of particular beings etc. but that's a necessary sacrifice. He always loved Thor and expected the best out of him, which is why his such a hardass with him. Nothing but his best is accepted. His also the king, and as much as he would like to, he doesn't give Thor special treatment except an instance here or there.

Thor's nobility should never be in question. Few, if any characters are more nobler than Thor. It's been stated that being in his mere presence is uncomfortable because of his nobility and "godliness". Even Stark and Rogers have commented that they never get use to being around Thor. IIRC, they've commented that he radiates a presence simply beyond them or something. I also remember Tigra saying Thor makes her uncomfortable because she feels inferior to her core around him or some such.

Yea, there's apparently no Balder.

@Rage of Olympus: Dude, Steve would make a better Thor than Thor 😐

What?

Odin got tooled by a sword and a ray gun... Terrible showing!!!

I guess we can expect Asgard to be rebuilt soon with a sort of cosmic deity feel thanks to Tony and Co.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank

I guess we can expect Asgard to be rebuilt soon with a sort of cosmic deity feel thanks to Tony and Co.

Why do they need their help? Thor with the full Odindpower built Asgard himself. Is this about the government making reparations for wrongfully attacking Asgard?

I thought Fraction wanted to give Asgard a more Kirby feel? With their magic and very advanced technology, why the hell would they need Stark?

I don't like Stark rebuilding Asgard. I don't want him interferring in Asgard whatsoever because I know that in some way, shape or form, it's going to set them back.

And it's not the Asgardian way to accept help like that. I remember a time Asgard was severely damaged and the Avengers visited. Stark asked Fandral why they used manual labor to rebuild when they could use magic and their technology, and he told him that it was more honorable to rebuild through sweat and labor.

Fraction just doesn't understand Asgardians.

I hope him being the Thor/Iron Man writer doesn't end up with Stark shoved down our throats.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I thought Fraction wanted to give Asgard a more Kirby feel? With their magic and very advanced technology, why the hell would they need Stark?

I don't like Stark rebuilding Asgard. I don't want him interferring in Asgard whatsoever because I know that in some way, shape or form, it's going to set them back.

And it's not the Asgardian way to accept help like that. I remember a time Asgard was severely damaged and the Avengers visited. Stark asked Fandral why they used manual labor to rebuild when they could use magic and their technology, and he told him that it was more honorable to rebuild through sweat and labor.

Fraction just doesn't understand Asgardians.

I hope him being the Thor/Iron Man writer doesn't end up with Stark shoved down our throats.

I think they're going with a cosmic/space god feel, if the dialog in that scene is worth anything. Seems like Marvel's going to downplay the deity aspect of Thor once more and portray him more as a cosmic being who was once just worshipped as a god or something.

And Fraction has said that Iron Man will be cameo-ing a bit in the Thor title. On the bright side, because Fraction is handling Fear Itself, I feel generally positive that he'll at least portray Thor as the big gun for the heroes outside of the "Worthy" angle, however that's handled.

Astonishing Thor is really good (not just because of the art). I like how Thor is using his brain more in battle, rather than just fighting like a brute. He indirectly beat the Collector by smashing and threatening to smash his collections. Thor's clearly outmatched by Alter-Ego as shown by the preview, and chances are he's probably going to use some plan to beat him.

Anyone have any guesses to what Thor will do defeat or escape from Alter-Ego?

I still don't understand why Thor's running from Alter Ego. In the first issue it was stated the God Blast could knock out Ego, and that it has before (I think his confusing it for the Thermoblast Thor created).

I know Rodi is a more toned down guy, but read some of Thor's interactions with Ego. He can take the planet. Out of character.

I'm guessing Thor goes for the brain or some such. Either way, I want an epic battle. A "Chaos War Glory" type thing every few years isn't enough.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I still don't understand why Thor's running from Alter Ego. In the first issue it was stated the God Blast could knock out Ego, and that it has before (I think his confusing it for the Thermoblast Thor created).

I know Rodi is a more toned down guy, but read some of Thor's interactions with Ego. He can take the planet. Out of character.

I'm guessing Thor goes for the brain or some such. Either way, I want an epic battle. A "Chaos War Glory" type thing every few years isn't enough.

I don't have the scans anymore but If I remember correctly Ego didn't really care that Thor was on him. So maybe that's why Thor thought a sneak attack would stop Ego. That way he could potentially stop Ego without confronting him directly.

Thor doesn't have the same luxury with Alter-Ego since Alter-Ego is actively trying to kill Thor. There's also the possibility that Alter-Ego is more powerful than Ego. Who knows.

*edit: well turns out I do have the scans still, and I was right. Ego didn't care Thor was on him and dismissed him. Thor also said he wanted to godblast Ego to get his attention so he could talk too.

Originally posted by vince_slice
I don't have the scans anymore but If I remember correctly Ego didn't really care that Thor was on him. So maybe that's why Thor thought a sneak attack would stop Ego. That way he could potentially stop Ego without confronting him directly.

Thor doesn't have the same luxury with Alter-Ego since Alter-Ego is actively trying to kill Thor. There's also the possibility that Alter-Ego is more powerful than Ego. Who knows.

*edit: well turns out I do have the scans still, and I was right. Ego didn't care Thor was on him and dismissed him. Thor also said he wanted to godblast Ego to get his attention so he could talk too.

I don't have the issue on hand but I remember Thor using his lightning to get Ego's attention.

After he wouldn't listen, Thor said Ego forgets himself and that he could do far more than prick and prod. He was about to administer the God Blast to Ego's surface which he said would temporarily knock him out like it has before (Confusing that with the Thermoblast I believe) and then he would listen to reason. Then the Stranger stopped him because he couldn't let Thor halt Ego.

It's true that Alter Ego is actively engaging Thor but so what? Thor's far faster, and the God Blast isn't a punch. He could do it from a distance.

I doubt Alter Ego is more powerful than the real Ego, and I have no clue how Thor would be able to know this.

I just want an epic battle with preferably Thor coming out the winner. Current writers seem to be unable to do epic battles for the most part. It's annoying.

I think it makes a big difference whether or not Ego is engaging Thor in combat and whether he's ignoring Thor and letting him godblast him. The latter would obviously hurt much more.

Based on Thor running away from Alter-Ego and not trying to engage him in combat I think it's pretty reasonable to infer that Thor thinks he's not strong enough to come out the victor. Especially when Alter-ego (unlike Ego) is actively trying to kill Thor.

Like I said, he doesn't have to get into the planet's grasp to unleash the God Blast.

I agree that Thor running away from Alter Ego would more than likely mean he doesn't think he can win which just puts me off because we know he can, he has in the past (The writer even referenced a scene where he had. In that scene IIRC Ego was actively engaging Thor), and running away is just really out of character. Goes against his very nature. One of the best things about Thor is that he fights opponents above his natural level and he finds away to overcome the odds.

Thor doesn't run from Ego, Surtur, Zeus, Glory, Galactus, Celestials etc. Why should he run from Ego's unknown brother?

If a writer can't handle a cosmic scale Thor, then he shouldn't write a cosmic scale Thor. It's pretty simple.

This is a lifeless pocket Universe, it's absolutely perfect for an epic cosmic battle.

But I disgress, I'm being too harsh. The issue hasn't come out yet. When it does, we'll judge it. Still, if Thor doesn't turn around and take it on, I'll be pissed off. Thor doesn't have to win to satisfy me.

How many of the posts in this thread belong to rage?

If Thor fought Alter-Ego and was about to win, Tivadar could enter the fray to keep his collection intact, and the Stranger and Ego aren't far behind. Just fighting every cosmic opponent at once would get Thor killed, he ain't an idiot.

I'm glad to see you guys agreeing that these recent portrayal of thor and the other Asgardians are really making them look bad. Writers today think continuity means "I can write whatever I want cause I'm tha writer, what's continuity?". I remember as it was yesterday Odin crippling Thanos in a fight that maked Asgard's soil rumble and put in danger the whole golden city, with the Infinity Watch being afraid of stepping in cause they knew they couldn't do nothin' to stop the fight, BTW the IW at the time was consisting of Drax, Adam Warlock, Amora, some badass guys. Or when Odin clashed with Seth and their blasts caused inter-dimensional shockwaves? It was a Spider-Man issue if my mind's not tricking me. I mean both Olympians and Asgardians are characters with huge potential cause of their backgrounds and the fact they can clash with almost any sort of character, earth based or cosmic based, downgrading them is just non-sense. Asgard's been destroyed for the 3rd or 4th time now, why should Asgard be rebuilt by Stark? God that would awful, Stark-tech scanning and security system in the city of the aesirs? They gotta be kidding me. Asgardi should be returned to its extradimensional location, with all the honors, and impregnable defenses. Maybe I'm just nostalgic who knows

I like the way Stranger is being portrayed here.

Astonishing Thor is amazing. I really hope this book keeps Thor in more cosmic/high stakes stories.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Odin got tooled by a sword and a ray gun... Terrible showing!!!