Originally posted by Galan007
I disagree.
Merlin has is in a position where he can potentially destroy the entire Omniverse if need be. I really don't see the IG doing that no matter how motivated the user.
Originally posted by Galan007
If you want to talk potential, I'll start talking Infinity Being. 😛
I don't see Jaspers getting hurt by the BlackKinght leftright
Originally posted by Galan007
LT = a Multiversal entity, [the most powerful one at that].Now what was required to bring down the IG?
Exactly... 🙂
THe LT is an omniversal entity. And we never seen the IG face a multiversal entitity. ANd since it's power source is only universal, and there are other ig's, i'd wager it can't beat the multieternity.
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosThe question there is,
Merlin has is in a position where he can potentially destroy the entire Omniverse if need be. I really don't see the IG doing that no matter how motivated the user.
Could the IG redirect turn those energies back on Merlyn... UN style?
srug
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosLook at the big picture of what the IB accomplished, [that's what I was getting at].
I don't see Jaspers getting hurt by the BlackKinght leftright
And transport MJJ to unspace, and what's he got?
Nothing. 🙂
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlSpeculation.
THe LT is an omniversal entity. And we never seen the IG face a multiversal entitity. ANd since it's power source is only universal, and there are other ig's, i'd wager it can't beat the multieternity.
LT, [who you call an OMNIVERSAL entity], had to literally gauge his power against the IG on panel.
Something merely Universal, wouldn't have been shit under his shoe.
Originally posted by Galan007
The question there is,Could the IG redirect turn those energies back on Merlyn... UN style?
srug
As every universe in nullified at once? There's no where to turn the energies back to.
Originally posted by Galan007
Look at the big picture of what the IB accomplished, [that's what I was getting at].
mhm I never even saw what the IB did.
Originally posted by Galan007
And transport MJJ to unspace, and what's he got?Nothing. 🙂
And when Jaspers has become absolutely everything?
Originally posted by Galan007
Question?Can you prove that LT's power wasn't the only thing which could have wrested the IG from Warlock?
Because there's much more evidence to suggest that LT's power was in fact required to stop the IG imo. 🙂
Given that:
a) there are other artifacts and powers that have greater feats of power than the IG
b) The nature and power source of the IG is defined within current continuity as universal
c) Theres no statement or proof that only LT had the power to stop the IG in Marvel
I'd say my point of view is quite understandable. Out of all the powers gathered in that comic only LT had the power to stand against the IG, that is quite clear as all the other powers featured had previously shown they couldnt. That doesnt however translate into the point that only LT could stop the IG.
The M'kraan crystal, The White Crown Phoenix and HOTI have all shown considerably greater than universal power levels and yet none of those were featured in the comic for example.
Originally posted by Galan007
I disagree.If you want to talk potential, I'll start talking Infinity Being. 😛
Me and you are in agreement here. Merlyn is overrated. He was only significantly powerful when he had access to the matrix. Other than that he has no feats of note.
I also agree that to use potential as a point with which to argue about how a character in their present status would fare in battle is illogical. 🙂
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosBack to the focal point where the energy was emitted from? 😕
As every universe in nullified at once? There's no where to turn the energies back to.
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosThat's where unspace comes into play.
And when Jaspers has become absolutely everything?
No matter how powerful MJJ becomes, there is nothing to suggest he can start creating things from nothingness.
Take MJJ to a place without clay to mold, and he is quite literally powerless.
But barring teleporting MJJ to unspace, a "full potential" MJJ should be more powerful then the IG.... But that really shouldn't be used, [it's a very flawed argument].
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Didnt understand a word of that because of how it was written.In a nutshell, all it comes down to is we hypothesize about how a character would fare in battle based solely on on panel feats, capabilities proven on panel, power levels illustrated on panel, NOT character statements. Character feats are conclusive, a character comment is unproven and not necessarily what said characters actually believe, they could have a hidden agenda, a motive for saying certain things, so unless a statement is supported by a feat, you cant present it as conclusive evidence of what a character is capable of, this doesnt work like that.
Yes I did
Those was my words
:for that is all we do gauge one being power vs another and then speculate what would happen:
you use hypothesize I use speculate care to define the difference for me?
And you cannot deny the fact that you are using the handbooks constantly when you are to downgrade a on panel evidence that points to the contrary of you thoughts on the character.
Originally posted by Galan007
Back to the focal point where the energy was emitted from? 😕
That's where unspace comes into play.
How would that much energy fit inside a limited space?
Originally posted by Galan007
No matter how powerful he becomes, there is nothing to suggest he can start creating things from nothingness.Take MJJ to a place without clay to mold, and he is quite literally powerless.
I was thinking more along the lines of how hard it would be to move him if he had bonded with everything.
Originally posted by Galan007
But barring teleporting MJJ to unspace, a "full potential" MJJ should be more powerful then the IG.
I win w00t
Originally posted by GalacticStormI get what you're saying...
Given that:a) there are other artifacts and powers that have greater feats of power than the IG
b) The nature and power source of the IG is defined within current continuity as universal
c) Theres no statement or proof that only LT had the power to stop the IG in Marvel
I'd say my point of view is quite understandable. Out of all the powers [B]gathered in that comic
only LT had the power to stand against the IG, that is quite clear as all the other powers featured had previously shown they couldnt. That doesnt however translate into the point that only LT could stop the IG.The M'kraan crystal, The White Crown Phoenix and HOTI have all shown considerably greater than universal power levels and yet none of those were featured in the comic for example. [/B]
But would LT have to gauge his own power against anyone you listed, [besides the Phoenix of course]? 😛
Doubtful...
But unlike some you argue with, I'm just going to stop the argument here... I don't wish to turn this into a 20+ page argument. 🙂
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Merlin has is in a position where he can potentially destroy the entire Omniverse if need be. I really don't see the IG doing that no matter how motivated the user.
The Celestial Nullifier isnt a handheld device like the UN that Merlyn could walk around and use to target anything he desired. It was attuned to the life forces of realities, it destroyed universes specifically and it was a mammoth of a device located in Otherworld. What good is that in battle with the IG? Whats to stop a user just dismantling or blowing up the machinery?
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosBecause that's where the energy came from to begin with? 😕
How would that much energy fit inside a limited space?
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosThing is,
I was thinking more along the lines of how hard it would be to move him if he had bonded with everything.
We don't know how hard that would be, because MJJ never realized that potential... [That's why debating a "full potential" MJJ, is a very flawed argument to begin with]. 🙂
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaosw00t
I win w00t
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Celestial Nullifier isnt a handheld device like the UN that Merlyn could walk around and use to target anything he desired. It was attuned to the life forces of realities, it destroyed universes specifically and it was a mammoth of a device located in Otherworld. What good is that in battle with the IG? Whats to stop a user just dismantling or blowing up the machinery?
Well ofcause the CN could blow up the universe with the wielder in it happens instantly, but seeing that the UN did have pratically no effect on the wielder, so I cannot see how the CN would stop the IG.
Originally posted by Galan007
I get what you're saying...But would LT have to gauge his own power against anyone you listed, [besides the Phoenix of course]? 😛
Doubtful...
But unlike some you argue with, I'm just going to stop the argument here... I don't wish to turn this into a 20+ page argument. 🙂
Thats cool. An essay war is NOT what i want! lol
As for your question, who knows. Given the greater feats of said items/power sources it would be logical that he would, but we just dont know.
Unlike some i debate with, you at least have the maturity to admit that my argument is understandable, even though you don't agree with it. 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm👆
Me and you are in agreement here. Merlyn is overrated. He was only significantly powerful when he had access to the matrix. Other than that he has no feats of note.I also agree that to use potential as a point with which to argue about how a character in their present status would fare in battle is illogical. 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007
Because that's where the energy came from to begin with? 😕
sly
Although I think it's actually done by smashing crystals that have the universe in them or something. There might be nothing to redirect srug
Originally posted by Galan007
We don't know how hard that would be, because MJJ never realized that potential... [That's why debating a "full potential" MJJ, is a very flawed argument to begin with]. 🙂
True.