did you not see the whole avatar thing??? and theres another one where he's talking to Anarky where he says the same thing. also a badass moment of DS is in a recent Firestorm issue where with one casual handblast he beats up Firestorm, Orion, and Mr Miracle and he physically separates the Professor Stein from FS even though they were merged because of the Matrix.
Originally posted by charlemagne9746when do i dismiss his low showings. i accept drax cheapshotted and killed him. i dont say it doesnt count. i dont think squireel girl should be atken serioulsy at all. she beat thanos off panel. and her team was fighting christams trees in that same issue. thats utter crap. i dont think ds hiding in a barn should really count either. he wouldnt hide in a damn barn like jason voorhees. i count apokolips now,hunter prey and foundations. the raker thing stands to.
at best, you have brought half-truths to the table concerning Darkseid. All you see are low feats...and that is it. You don't take the power of Darkseid in context of the whole. However, when it comes to Thanos, you dismiss his low showings as bad writing, and only concentrate on his high end feats.
Originally posted by Desaadi say darkseid is an accomplished character and i enjoy him a lot. i just feel thanos has outshined him in ever possible way. here we go point by point. ds as i have stated countless times hasnt the hand to hand feats as thanos has. thanos doesn get assraped by a superman character to where he yields like in apokolips now. that is a pisspoor showing. ds beating firestorm and company in countdown looks pretty impressive though. POINT 1
Actually, no, I'm waiting for YOUR reply.You still have clarified your stance on why similar Darkseid/Thanos showings are worse for Darkseid, despite the fact that the actual specifics of them mean that Darkseid was facing tougher opposition and did better than Thanos.
You still haven't really made any argument beyond "Darkseid sucks, and thats why he loses".
So, good sir, I am waiting for your response.
Originally posted by quanchi112so when drax and thanos its a cheapshot but when DS has his attention else where and is attacked from behind by DD its not?
when do i dismiss his low showings. i accept drax cheapshotted and killed him. i dont say it doesnt count. i dont think squireel girl should be atken serioulsy at all. she beat thanos off panel. and her team was fighting christams trees in that same issue. thats utter crap. i dont think ds hiding in a barn should really count either. he wouldnt hide in a damn barn like jason voorhees. i count apokolips now,hunter prey and foundations. the raker thing stands to.
point two while ds has done amazing things in his time at dc i cant turn a blind eye to his failure at seeing his goals through. him failing to kill high father while a lower god in ares accomplishing it makes him look bad. ares also beat ds to the godwave. that also makes him look bad at accomplishing his goals through prep. he hasnt take over new genesis either. it still stands.
Originally posted by Superherovandaldarkseid was engaing in the fight and omeags him. thanos was trying to free galactus and neevr even engaged in the fight. ig thanos exchanged blows and then was cheapshotted while his attention was elsewhere that would be his fault. but him not even fighting and tryin to free galactus saves him from this. ds was adumbass and though doomsday was dead thanos was cheapshotted while he didnt even engage him.
so when drax and thanos its a cheapshot but when DS has his attention else where and is attacked from behind by DD its not?
Originally posted by quanchi112
i say darkseid is an accomplished character and i enjoy him a lot. i just feel thanos has outshined him in ever possible way. here we go point by point. ds as i have stated countless times hasnt the hand to hand feats as thanos has.
Can you give me examples of these strictly hand to hand showings that you are referring to? Remember, absolutely NO energy projection, as per your own rules.
I'm expecting to see at least one thing that is on par or above par with what we saw in Orion 5, between Orion and Darkseid.
thanos doesn get assraped by a superman character to where he yields like in apokolips now. that is a pisspoor showing. ds beating firestorm and company in countdown looks pretty impressive though. POINT 1
I definitely agree that Apokolips Now is an unforgivable showing for the character. It counts, and thats that, and its the worst showing he has ever had, and its the worst showing that either of the two have ever had.
But still, its one showing. Hunter/Prey concerned a Doomsday that was ridiculously powerful -- much more so than Superman himself, who had to be thrown into the end of the universe to be defeated.
Superman/Batman had a bunch of things going on, not the least of which being that Superman was sun amped in that showing.
But I want to see some of these great non energy projection involving knock down drag outs with Thanos you are talking about. No energy projection what so ever, and of course for it to be impressive Thanos had to have won it.
POINT 3 the story of foundations. i take from it howw easily a ds with prep could be beaten by a younger thrown into the situation ds. younger ds had no prep and beat his more expereinced version like nopthing. becuz ds failed to factor in his own willpower. thats a major error by ds when prepping. fast forward to young ds after he killed his older version. while he was good enough to beat his older version he had no answers on how to save his own ass. he replied i dont know to his own men...makes him look stupid and not that quick thinking as thanos has been shown consistently
Originally posted by Desaadwell thanos beat a more powerful version of himself in infinity war. thats impressive he was another thanos doppleganger who was more powerful but thanos beat him down in the end.
Can you give me examples of these strictly hand to hand showings that you are referring to? Remember, absolutely NO energy projection, as per your own rules.I'm expecting to see at least one thing that is on par or above par with what we saw in Orion 5, between Orion and Darkseid.
I definitely agree that Apokolips Now is an unforgivable showing for the character. It counts, and thats that, and its the worst showing he has ever had, and its the worst showing that either of the two have ever had.
But still, its one showing. Hunter/Prey concerned a Doomsday that was ridiculously powerful -- much more so than Superman himself, who had to be thrown into the end of the universe to be defeated.
Superman/Batman had a bunch of things going on, not the least of which being that Superman was sun amped in that showing.
But I want to see some of these great non energy projection involving knock down drag outs with Thanos you are talking about. No energy projection what so ever, and of course for it to be impressive Thanos had to have won it.
thanos beat champion in thanos quest. he was laughing at champion who is considered a great warrior in the universe. thanos went toe to toe with thor with the power gem as well. blow for blow. this is an impressive feat becuz no matter what thanos did he couldnt physically kill him with the gem. so when he tired of it he imprisoned him with his gun.
i just saw the foundations thing. Younger DS was surprised as his followers just told him they were about to be engulfed in the energy of the portal. and then he was cheapshotted by Livewire/Element Lad Superboy, Violet,etc. It wasn't like he was even expecting it. It was similar to Thanos and Drax except he faced more power and didnt die. also heres a scan where he owns Supes in two hits
http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supesdarkseid25xg7mb.jpg
Originally posted by Superherovandal
so when drax and thanos its a cheapshot but when DS has his attention else where and is attacked from behind by DD its not?
Proof that Darkseid's power runs the place and tech feats are also power feats for him. Note that Supes and Wondy both believed Darkseid could easily destroy War World.
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As promised, the Foundations scans.
Darkseid's power is such a presence in the universe that time itself collapses without its presence:
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To take away confusion as to whether or not this is a feat denoting power, Darkseid's power level is stated as the reason for why this occured. Next page is also included for the plan:
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The older, weaker stone-form Darkseid imprisons the Legion and brainwashed Superman combined with a single wave of the hand:
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Young Darkseid frees the Legion and brainwashed Supes with a wave of a hand, plus stuns his older self with a blast:
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Young Darkseid easily bashes one of his older self's servants, which were all top tier or second tier in power (hard to tell which one this is, to be honest):
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Having gone through the servants in his way, young Darkseid is about to face his older self, before Orion attacks him. He shrugs off a blast of Astro-Force, easily manhandles him, and uses him to kill his older self:
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Note, after his older self is dead, young Darkseid has no trouble mentally dominating the beings his older self was previous controlling, and forcing them to attack the Legion. These include a GL, a Martian, Lobo, Barda, and Firestorm:
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Darkseid is sucker-punched by current Superboy. He is affected, but not knocked down or even off-balance much. He then stops the kid with one hit:
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After another change of reality, 'Seid is surprise attacked by two mid-tiers (Superboy and giant-sized Violet) and two upper tiers (Livewire/Element Lad amalgam and Kid Quantum). Because he's caught off-guard, they keep him off-balance long enough to knock him out of the Boom Tube. He shrugs their attacks off the second he lands, though:
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Originally posted by Superherovandalcorrection he was dumbfounded and left to die, timestream killed him after he asked to go with legion. then when legion went back in time they beat two ds. yes they attacked him as soon as they could but two ds got dealt with and were defeated by one team... did u see old ds get knocked out by superman. he didnt wake up till 1000 years later in the epilogue.
i just saw the foundations thing. Younger DS was surprised as his followers just told him they were about to be engulfed in the energy of the portal. and then he was cheapshotted by Livewire/Element Lad Superboy, Violet,etc. It wasn't like he was even expecting it. It was similar to Thanos and Drax except he faced more power and didnt die.
Originally posted by Superherovandalthat scan isnt from foundations. put the scan up where old ds gets knocked out for 1000 years.
i just saw the foundations thing. Younger DS was surprised as his followers just told him they were about to be engulfed in the energy of the portal. and then he was cheapshotted by Livewire/Element Lad Superboy, Violet,etc. It wasn't like he was even expecting it. It was similar to Thanos and Drax except he faced more power and didnt die. also heres a scan where he owns Supes in two hits
http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supesdarkseid25xg7mb.jpg
