Originally posted by Emperor AshtarJupiter if it had more mass would have become a star, not nearly the size of our sun (which is only a medium size star). Jupiter is about as big as a planet can get before becoming a star.
We need a planet 15 times the size of jupiter to create a star. I wonder could we use a gas gaint/Planet and implode it's core to create a star.
Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
Jupiter if it had more mass would have become a star, not nearly the size of our sun (which is only a medium size star). Jupiter is about as big as a planet can get before becoming a star.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
We gain knowledge, we do not have "Absolute Knowledge" at our disposal.
Yes, you are absolutely correct. We gain knowledge--but God doesn't. God doesn't even have a GED and yet He wields absolute knowledge (in fact He created all of the laws of the universe). God never took one course in chemistry, physics, calculus, trigonometry, geometry (you know, all of the disciplines that we have to learn and study over a number of semesters) or any other course for that matter and yet His understanding is infinite. God never graduated from kindergarten let alone from a university and yet He is all-wise. How did God do it? How did He figure how to be so intelligent without ever stepping foot in a classroom? What is God's secret? Why is His I.Q. off the charts? God is smarter than every person who will ever live combined--yet He has no degree from any learning institution.
I guess this is why God (and God alone) is worshipped. He managed to figure out how to create a cell, the brain, blood, DNA, all of the systems of the human body, life, and all of the other things that leave scientists from the finest universities dumbfounded. All of the things that we struggle to understand is understandable to God because He created it. God has no education whatsoever and yet He created the earth. When was the last time that we created an earth? God has no high school diploma and yet His SAT scores are so high that they cannot be measured.
God has no undergraduate degree and yet He created DNA and told it how to function according to His wisdom. And you know what? It does. God has no drivers license and yet He controls the velocity and direction of all of the planets (i.e. all of these massive celestial objects that we still cannot create), causing them to orbit the sun perfectly. Pretty good for having never stepped foot in a classroom. Can we do that? How does God control the strong and weak nuclear forces? Oh, I forgot (slaps forehead): He created the fundamental forces. Where did God get His understanding of gravity, atoms, and energy? Should God have an ego? How did God figure out how to make water? Did He have a manual for how to create plant life? Maybe God went to Deity College where He learned how to be all-powerful? No? So then from whence came His divine power? How come God can see us but we cannot see Him?
How come God can hear us but we cannot hear Him? How come God can interrupt our lives with the Truth but we cannot interrupt His life? How come God can come to earth as a Man (i.e. Jesus Christ) but we cannot go to Heaven without becoming born again? Why did God die on the cross for our sins? Couldn't we just keep ourselves from dying and going to Hell? I thought we were the architects of our own kismet? Why are here? If we are god (individually) as New Age teaches then why do we have to learn things? If we are god then why do we have to work? If we are god then why do need sleep, food, and other things that simply encumber us? Why can't we be independent of those things like God? God does because God wills or chooses to do--but God needs nothing and no one. Why don't we know the future like God? Why can't we create our own Heaven and situate it on top of the universe like God?
We are we so arrogant and prideful to think that we know better than God Who created us? Why can't we create our own universe somewhere and be our own gods? Why are we so deceived by the devil to think that one day with enough time and technology that we could become god? Why don't we just admit it: we are not gods and we will never be gods? Why don't we acknowledge that God has wisdom, intelligence, and understanding that we cannot comprehend and power that we will never attain? Why don't we all worship God and praise Him for His goodness, mercy, love, compassion, loving-kindness, patience, long-suffering, grace, gentleness, and greatness? What is the source of God's power and how did He learn to harness it?
The Truth of the matter is that God never had to learn how to do anything, He has always been All-wise and All-powerful. God has always been (i.e. always existed). God has always been good. This is why God is great. He has all power and yet: He is absolutely kind. Unlike human leaders who get a little bit of power (which isn't intrinsic, they simply have whatever power that we give them) and then end up like Hitler. If anyone has a right to be egocentric, prideful, and arrogant it is God (no one can do what God can do). There is truly no none like Him in all the universe. I have seen a guy stick his chest out because he was stronger than another guy. I have seen people put on airs because they had a nice vehicle. I have witnessed others make a show of knowledge, completely full of themselves. Why do we pride ourselves on the things that we have or the things that we can do?
Why do we glory in our educational accomplishments, and academic attainments? God knows more than all of us and He has never stepped foot in a classroom yet He does not brag about His knowledge. He communicates the fact that His understanding is infinite in so many ways so that we can understand that there is no situation that we encounter that He did not already see coming in our lives. People gloat about their wealth, but God owns the cattle on a thousand hills, the silver and gold is His. All gold that has ever been discovered was put into the earth by God. All diamonds, rubies, pearls and other costly jewels belong to God. There isn’t anything in this earth that is of value that God did not create or create the material for. Do we see God bragging about His wealth? No. God simply informs us of His wealth so that we can understand that He supplies all of our needs and so that we can know what we have to look forward to in Heaven.
God’s power is off the charts. God is stronger than every man, woman, boy, and girl who has ever lived, is living, and will live combined. Yet, does God flaunt His power? No. God simply talks about His great, limitless power so that we can realize that there is no problem, situation, or circumstance that He cannot change if we trust Him to (waiting patiently for His power to change it). All of this great glory and yet God has no hubris whatsoever. God forbid that he would give anyone of us His power for one day. We would lose our minds. We would be thinking about all of the things that we could get with God’s power. We would be thinking about all of the things that we could do with God’s power. We would create fame, fortune, lovers, and completely become inundated with hedonism. We would be thinking about all of the people that we could get revenge on. We would solve all of humanity’s problems but we would become imperialistic tyrants. We would demand worship on the basis of pride, not love people and offer to share our rule with them like God. We would misapply, misemploy, pervert, misuse, and abuse God’s power. But God has been the absolute epitome of boundless wisdom, knowledge, intelligence, and unlimited power and yet it has not gone to His head. God is still holy, just, kind, loving, merciful, compassionate, and good. God is still righteous Judge who will punish evildoers and other sinners who die without Christ.
Have you ever thought about the fact there if God is all-powerful (and He is) then that means that the police cannot restrain Him, all of the armed forces world-wide combined cannot stop Him, and no weapon formed against Him will prosper. What if God got fed up with folk cursing His Name, and blaspheming Him and all that pertains to Him and started unleashing His power against us, there is anyone big enough to stop Him. What if God became a bully, who could we call to check Him? Thank God that God is Love (personified) otherwise we would be in trouble. We would have the biggest terrorist Who ever lived to contend with (but we don’t). In fact, God is the opposite: God is Love. I firmly believe that we take God’s love for granted. I hear people say it all the time:
“I can do this because God is love, He understands my heart.”
“I can live in sin because God understands, He will forgive me.”
“God will not send anyone to Hell, He is too kind for that.”
The Truth of the matter is that 150,000 people die a day and most of them go straight to Hell because they have chosen rather to play Russian Roulette with their lives and gambol whether the Bible is true or not. They now know experientially what they could have known by faith. But the kicker is they cannot come back to us to testify. They must replay over and over and over in their minds all of the opportunities that they had to receive eternal life by simply believing on Jesus Christ. But God will play no favorites on the Day of Judgment. Jesus Christ will judge the world in righteousness because His throne is established in righteousness. God will judge the world so justly and righteously that everyone who is cast into the Lake of Fire will go there convinced that they belong there Imagine a pelican that flies (miraculously) to every beach in the world one-by-one, gathers one grain of sand in its beak, and flies to Pluto (3,720,000,000 miles) deposits that single grain of sand then flies back to earth. The pelican picks up another grain of sand and flies all the way to Pluto deposits that grain of sand and flies back to earth. Imagine that this pelican does this at one beach then once it finishes flies to another beach and repeats this process. Then once it empties all of the grains of sand in that beach it flies to another beach and repeats the process over again. But the pelican is only able in this illustration to carry one grain of sand in its beak per trip to Pluto. If it does this until every grain of sand from every beach in the world is empty (imagine how long it would take the pelican to do this carrying only one grain of sand at a time) you will not have spent one day of your eternal sentence in the Lake of Fire. That is how long eternity is.
May I ask why you are so closed minded and not open to new knowledge? All you have done is reiterate the same thing you have said many times before only more lengthily in these posts, no new information and your explanation is that if we can't do it then God must have.
Edit: Also didn't God give us free will and the ability to think, reason, and understand and to question the world around us? With the mentality your purpose then we would have never invented many of the medicines and technology that we have today because why would we even think that we as his creations could ever understand his work? Wouldn't that by itself be us trying to become God by learning how he does it?
Re: Anthropic Principle (or Anthropic Coincidences) What do you know about them?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
What do you know about the Anthropic Principle? Did you know that there are many Anthropic Coincidences that in a nutshell are tantamount to evidence of design? No? You did not know this or you simply deny this? How do[B] you explain Anthropic Coincidences? Based on what you have discovered about these amazing coincidences what do you intelligently, logically, deduce? Be smart and rational with your response please. Thank you.http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rossuk/c-anthro.htm
Please be smart and rational in your posts.
ID IS AN ANTRHOPIC PRINCIPLE IN ITSELF.
Anthropic coincidences do not justify nor are they used as evidence of the theory.
Thank you, please close this bullshit.
^ What he said.
In physics and cosmology, the anthropic principle says that we should take account of the constraints that our existence as observers imposes on the sort of universe that we could observe. Originally proposed as a rule of reasoning, the term has since been extended to cover supposed "superlaws" that in various ways require the universe to support intelligent life, usually assumed to be carbon-based, and occasionally to be specifically human beings.
Anthropic what-now?
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveIf only atheists were as determined as you to answer apposing questions. Sad that they just run away from the truth.
What do you know about the Anthropic Principle? Did you know that there are many Anthropic Coincidences that in a nutshell are tantamount to evidence of design? No? You did not know this or you simply deny this? How do[B] you explain Anthropic Coincidences? Based on what you have discovered about these amazing coincidences what do you intelligently, logically, deduce? Be smart and rational with your response please. Thank you.http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rossuk/c-anthro.htm
You know I typed up a lengthy post for JIA but I realised the guy has been brainwashed by his parents at a young age or he is just looking for attention so not much point is there. Its amazing that such a person exists, his views, ideas and beleifs are incredibley, how does one put it, fuked up to say the least.
Originally posted by Magee
You know I typed up a lengthy post for JIA but I realised the guy has been brainwashed by his parents at a young age or he is just looking for attention so not much point is there. Its amazing that such a person exists, his views, ideas and beleifs are incredibley, how does one put it, fuked up to say the least.
Right. Everyone comes to that conclusion sooner or later (most, anyway). I don't think I've directly responded to him or read his quote-happy posts for a long time now. Occasionally, sure, but more for personal amusement than any actual hope of having an intelligetn discourse.
Originally posted by Magee
You know I typed up a lengthy post for JIA but I realised the guy has been brainwashed by his parents at a young age or he is just looking for attention so not much point is there. Its amazing that such a person exists, his views, ideas and beleifs are incredibley, how does one put it, fuked up to say the least.
Brainwashed about what the Truth?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The Truth of the matter is that God never had to learn how to do anything, He has [b]always been All-wise and All-powerful. God has always been (i.e. always existed). God has always been good. This is why God is great. He has all power and yet: He is absolutely kind. Unlike human leaders who get a little bit of power (which isn't intrinsic, they simply have whatever power that we give them) and then end up like Hitler. If anyone has a right to be egocentric, prideful, and arrogant it is God (no one can do what God can do). There is truly no none like Him in all the universe. I have seen a guy stick his chest out because he was stronger than another guy. I have seen people put on airs because they had a nice vehicle. I have witnessed others make a show of knowledge, completely full of themselves. Why do we pride ourselves on the things that we have or the things that we can do?Why do we glory in our educational accomplishments, and academic attainments? God knows more than all of us and He has never stepped foot in a classroom yet He does not brag about His knowledge. He communicates the fact that His understanding is infinite in so many ways so that we can understand that there is no situation that we encounter that He did not already see coming in our lives. People gloat about their wealth, but God owns the cattle on a thousand hills, the silver and gold is His. All gold that has ever been discovered was put into the earth by God. All diamonds, rubies, pearls and other costly jewels belong to God. There isn’t anything in this earth that is of value that God did not create or create the material for. Do we see God bragging about His wealth? No. God simply informs us of His wealth so that we can understand that He supplies all of our needs and so that we can know what we have to look forward to in Heaven.
God’s power is off the charts. God is stronger than every man, woman, boy, and girl who has ever lived, is living, and will live combined. Yet, does God flaunt His power? No. God simply talks about His great, limitless power so that we can realize that there is no problem, situation, or circumstance that He cannot change if we trust Him to (waiting patiently for His power to change it). All of this great glory and yet God has no hubris whatsoever. God forbid that he would give anyone of us His power for one day. We would lose our minds. We would be thinking about all of the things that we could get with God’s power. We would be thinking about all of the things that we could do with God’s power. We would create fame, fortune, lovers, and completely become inundated with hedonism. We would be thinking about all of the people that we could get revenge on. We would solve all of humanity’s problems but we would become imperialistic tyrants. We would demand worship on the basis of pride, not love people and offer to share our rule with them like God. We would misapply, misemploy, pervert, misuse, and abuse God’s power. But God has been the absolute epitome of boundless wisdom, knowledge, intelligence, and unlimited power and yet it has not gone to His head. God is still holy, just, kind, loving, merciful, compassionate, and good. God is still righteous Judge who will punish evildoers and other sinners who die without Christ.
Have you ever thought about the fact there if God is all-powerful (and He is) then that means that the police cannot restrain Him, all of the armed forces world-wide combined cannot stop Him, and no weapon formed against Him will prosper. What if God got fed up with folk cursing His Name, and blaspheming Him and all that pertains to Him and started unleashing His power against us, there is anyone big enough to stop Him. What if God became a bully, who could we call to check Him? Thank God that God is Love (personified) otherwise we would be in trouble. We would have the biggest terrorist Who ever lived to contend with (but we don’t). In fact, God is the opposite: God is Love. I firmly believe that we take God’s love for granted. I hear people say it all the time:
“I can do this because God is love, He understands my heart.”
“I can live in sin because God understands, He will forgive me.”
“God will not send anyone to Hell, He is too kind for that.”
The Truth of the matter is that 150,000 people die a day and most of them go straight to Hell because they have chosen rather to play Russian Roulette with their lives and gambol whether the Bible is true or not. They now know experientially what they could have known by faith. But the kicker is they cannot come back to us to testify. They must replay over and over and over in their minds all of the opportunities that they had to receive eternal life by simply believing on Jesus Christ. But God will play no favorites on the Day of Judgment. Jesus Christ will judge the world in righteousness because His throne is established in righteousness. God will judge the world so justly and righteously that everyone who is cast into the Lake of Fire will go there convinced that they belong there Imagine a pelican that flies (miraculously) to every beach in the world one-by-one, gathers one grain of sand in its beak, and flies to Pluto (3,720,000,000 miles) deposits that single grain of sand then flies back to earth. The pelican picks up another grain of sand and flies all the way to Pluto deposits that grain of sand and flies back to earth. Imagine that this pelican does this at one beach then once it finishes flies to another beach and repeats this process. Then once it empties all of the grains of sand in that beach it flies to another beach and repeats the process over again. But the pelican is only able in this illustration to carry one grain of sand in its beak per trip to Pluto. If it does this until every grain of sand from every beach in the world is empty (imagine how long it would take the pelican to do this carrying only one grain of sand at a time) you will not have spent one day of your eternal sentence in the Lake of Fire. That is how long eternity is. [/B]
yawn
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveThat is a pretty short time, and not even a day in our time. The minute the bird gets to the upper atmosphere it will die with the first grain of sand. 😉
God will judge the world so justly and righteously that everyone who is cast into the Lake of Fire will go there convinced that they belong there Imagine a pelican that flies (miraculously) to every beach in the world [b]one-by-one, gathers one grain of sand in its beak, and flies to Pluto (3,720,000,000 miles) deposits that single grain of sand then flies back to earth. The pelican picks up another grain of sand and flies all the way to Pluto deposits that grain of sand and flies back to earth. Imagine that this pelican does this at one beach then once it finishes flies to another beach and repeats this process. Then once it empties all of the grains of sand in that beach it flies to another beach and repeats the process over again. But the pelican is only able in this illustration to carry one grain of sand in its beak per trip to Pluto. If it does this until every grain of sand from every beach in the world is empty (imagine how long it would take the pelican to do this carrying only one grain of sand at a time) you will not have spent one day of your eternal sentence in the Lake of Fire. That is how long eternity is. [/B]