Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I disagree. a while back I was dealing with a group of British travellers, and they were asking me about american slang. One of them, an attractive woman, was being hit on by an american guy, and she had trouble understanding whay he was getting at. then again, maybe they were all dumbasses.
I didn't say there weren't exceptions. I have no trouble "getting" American comedy, but it seems as though a lot of Americans watch/love/worship British comedy without necessarily getting it, just because it's British comedy. Like people who listen to English bands cos they're English.
Hey, you guys have a great version of The Office, though. By "great" I mean "Totally removing all that the show was supposed to portray and replacing it with attempted intellectual, but obvious, humour.".
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
not all Americans share that view of Brits.
Never said they did.
Originally posted by Creshosk
And its annoying to be judged by idiots who haven't taken the time to read through a thread. I listed off as requested some british shows I watched while growing up."How many big movies from England did you love when you were a kid? Exactly."
Go back and look through the thread before you pass judgment on a person.
So far all you've done is get defensive and not actually answered any of my questions. You don't "know" British culture because you've watched a few shows, for the record.
If you'd like to share what you're interested in and why, please do. Otherwise, I'll take it as defense in the face of truth.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Doews anyone else find it funny how frequently people seem to condesend and just happen to be British. I know its just a string of coincedenses, but you really get a feel for where that bloody blasted stereotype comes from when you hear certain people talk about America.
Stereotypes exist because there's some truth to them, that's how stereotypes work, champ.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriIdiot. I answered the only question you asked despite it being obviously rhetorical.
So far all you've done is get defensive and not actually answered any of my questions. You don't "know" British culture because you've watched a few shows, for the record.
Please, show me what other questions you asked I'll be more than happy to answer them.
And for your information its not the tv shows that taught me about your culture, much like with Japan it was the shows that got me interested in the culture, it was subsequent studying that had me learn your culture.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriTake it however you want blowhard. You have only asked the one question after alot of pompous condesention of unbacked and previously challenged and defeated claims.
If you'd like to share what you're interested in and why, please do. Otherwise, I'll take it as defense in the face of truth.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriSo you admit to being the stereotype?
Stereotypes exist because there's some truth to them, that's how stereotypes work, champ.-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriAmerican comedy tends to be very straight forward, very little genuine wit involved.
I didn't say there weren't exceptions. I have no trouble "getting" American comedy, but it seems as though a lot of Americans watch/love/worship British comedy without necessarily getting it, just because it's British comedy. Like people who listen to English bands cos they're English.
Hey, you guys have a great version of The Office, though. By "great" I mean "Totally removing all that the show was supposed to portray and replacing it with attempted intellectual, but obvious, humour.".Never cared for it.
Never said they did.Never said you said they did.
-AC [/B][/QUOTE]
Originally posted by Creshosk
Idiot. I answered the only question you asked despite it being obviously rhetorical.Please, show me what other questions you asked I'll be more than happy to answer them.
Then let us get on with this...
Originally posted by Creshosk
And for your information its not the tv shows that taught me about your culture, much like with Japan it was the shows that got me interested in the culture, it was subsequent studying that had me learn your culture.
What studying?
Furthermore, I don't really need to study American culture, it's pretty much everywhere, though there are obviously things I don't know about it as I'm not American. You did actually need to study British culture, point proven.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Take it however you want blowhard. You have only asked the one question after alot of pompous condesention of unbacked and previously challenged and defeated claims.
Defeated claims? Like what? Nothing I've said is untrue, there are people that adhere to everything I've said, and nothing I've said is untrue. I've noted that there are exceptions to what I've said also.
You can't just say "I defeated your claims.", it doesn't work like that.
Originally posted by Creshosk
So you admit to being the stereotype?
Where did I say I was? I said there is truth to stereotypes, hence why they exist, despite being carried away.
The "typical" Brit is something concocted by people, I suspect, who aren't British, and is probably nothing remotely representing British culture at all. Like in The Simpsons, a guy in a suit wearing a bowler hat and drinking tea and talking really silly, which doesn't happen that often really.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I didn't say there weren't exceptions. I have no trouble "getting" American comedy, but it seems as though a lot of Americans watch/love/worship British comedy without necessarily getting it, just because it's British comedy. Like people who listen to English bands cos they're English.Hey, you guys have a great version of The Office, though. By "great" I mean "Totally removing all that the show was supposed to portray and replacing it with attempted intellectual, but obvious, humour.".
-AC
Where exactly do you get this info from?
BTW, just about everything you say abut America and Americans is condescending... e.g. Do you really think American's watch Monty Python because the characters have a different accent?
Originally posted by Robtard
Where exactly do you get this info from?BTW, just about everything you say abut America and Americans is condescending... e.g. Do you really think American's watch Monty Python because the characters have a different accent?
It's called personal experience, I'm saying how it seems, based on what I've known from America and Americans, and it's not just me, is it? Nothing I'm saying is sweepingly true or untrue, it's applicable. Someone else may see differently from different experiences.
Where did you get the inspiration for that last question? I don't know if "Americans" do or not, I know some people who like bands/shows/people simply because they're English, it DOES happen.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriI went and I read books lin a library, and I met some British people, one of them was my best friend for a period of time. He was really rather brilliant, ruddy brilliant at just about anything he tried.
Then let us get on with this...What studying?
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriWell duh you arrogant git. I felt the personal need. One might even say I know more about british culture than you about American because you openly admited to not actively looking. However I'm not going to make the claim myself. That's much the same as basing your knowledge of another's culture off of their television shows.
Furthermore, I don't really need to study American culture, it's pretty much everywhere, though there are obviously things I don't know about it as I'm not American. You did actually need to study British culture, point proven.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri*Snerk* like the Europeans knowing more about America than vice versa. It was already shown that people are limited to what they need to know no matter where they are from. Europeans are no better or worse than Americans. To think otherwise shows a elitest nationalism.
Defeated claims? Like what? Nothing I've said is untrue,
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriDon't be absurd.
there are people that adhere to everything I've said, and nothing I've said is untrue.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriAnd things that are downright untrue.
I've noted that there are exceptions to what I've said also.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriI didn't. Other people defeated your claims in this very thread before you even bothered to make them. It'd be very much like me going into a thread that's been going on for some time and making a claim that had already been covored and disproven at length.
You can't just say "I defeated your claims.", it doesn't work like that.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriI forgot about your linear thinking and inability to follow trains of thought. You were showing an arrogant condecension with your words I accused you of fitting a negative stereotype and you said that stereotypes have some truth to them.
Where did I say I was?
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriAnd didn't defend against it when accused of it. Rather, when accused of it you said there was some truth to stereotypes, almost like an indirect confession.
I said there is truth to stereotypes, hence why they exist, despite being carried away.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriWell you've done nothing but "talk silly" in this thread.
The "typical" Brit is something concocted by people, I suspect, who aren't British, and is probably nothing remotely representing British culture at all. Like in The Simpsons, a guy in a suit wearing a bowler hat and drinking tea and talking really silly, which doesn't happen that often really.
Here's a challenge for you: Name all the different non-foreign regional dialects of America. How many can you get?
You can look earlier in the thread if you'd like where I named them off at request after naming off the UK regional dialects.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's called personal experience, I'm saying how it seems, based on what I've known from America and Americans, and it's not just me, is it? Nothing I'm saying is sweepingly true or untrue, it's applicable. Someone else may see differently from different experiences.Where did you get the inspiration for that last question? I don't know if "Americans" do or not, I know some people who like bands/shows/people simply because they're English, it DOES happen.
-AC
From here:
"though a lot of Americans watch/love/worship British comedy without necessarily getting it"
Like people who listen to English bands cos they're English.
Your use of the words "a lot" and "not getting it"... Why would someone watch comedy they didn't understand, comedy needs to be understood to be funny, no?
Why would someone listen to music they didn't factually enjoy? Granted, maybe a fool here and there trying to fit in somewhere, but "a lot".
Originally posted by Robtard
From here:"though a lot of Americans watch/love/worship British comedy without necessarily getting it"
Your use of the words "a lot" and "not getting it"... Why would someone watch comedy they didn't understand, comedy needs to be understood to be funny, no?
Yes, because I know a lot of Americans, and know OF a lot of Americans, who are in such a position. Whether they are trying the shows for the first time or just enjoy it for another reason, I have seen it happen. I don't know why they do it, this is what confuses me. There's no reason, but British comedy DOES carry a seemingly inherent credibility with a lot of Americans.
Originally posted by Creshosk
I went and I read books lin a library, and I met some British people, one of them was my best friend for a period of time. He was really rather brilliant, ruddy brilliant at just about anything he tried.
That was your studying of our cultures, minor and major? Going into a library and meeting SOME British people...yet...somehow I'm the one generalising and I've actually been to your country multiple times, and have a great many friends and experiences there.
You are the one lacking the grounds to make any claims here, I'll bet you know next to nothing about England, but felt compelled to study it...why? Could it be that you didn't know enough about it, from living in AMERICA? I've never had to study America.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Well duh you arrogant git. I felt the personal need. One might even say I know more about british culture than you about American because you openly admited to not actively looking. However I'm not going to make the claim myself. That's much the same as basing your knowledge of another's culture off of their television shows.
I openly admit to not looking? Where did I say that? Or is it just you interpreting something I've said wrongly?
Originally posted by Creshosk
*Snerk* like the Europeans knowing more about America than vice versa. It was already shown that people are limited to what they need to know no matter where they are from. Europeans are no better or worse than Americans. To think otherwise shows a elitest nationalism.
I never said it as if to say EVERY European knows more than every American, I've continually said there are exceptions, and I never said anything about being better or worse either way.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Don't be absurd
You are denying that there are Americans who fit what I have described?
Originally posted by Creshosk
Other people defeated your claims in this very thread before you even bothered to make them. It'd be very much like me going into a thread that's been going on for some time and making a claim that had already been covored and disproven at length.
So then nobody has actually defeated my claims, have they? Think about it, Speedy.
Originally posted by Creshosk
I forgot about your linear thinking and inability to follow trains of thought. You were showing an arrogant condecension with your words I accused you of fitting a negative stereotype and you said that stereotypes have some truth to them.
Good boy, now instead of telling me what happened, tell me where I admitted that I fit the stereotype, because I swear I just said that stereotypes exist because there is some truth to them.
I was unaware I said "Yes, that is me.".
So please, enthrall me with your acumen.
Originally posted by Creshosk
And didn't defend against it when accused of it. Rather, when accused of it you said there was some truth to stereotypes, almost like an indirect confession.
Almost like? As in...I didn't actually do that ever, you're jumping to conclusions. So it boils down to you making a blind assumption, then? That's not very American of you. Oh wait...
Originally posted by Creshosk
Here's a challenge for you: Name all the different non-foreign regional dialects of America. How many can you get?You can look earlier in the thread if you'd like where I named them off at request after naming off the UK regional dialects.
What do you mean name all? South, West, Northeast, Midwest (I believe.) and then the mixed areas, or more specific?
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriThat's it? 4... you name off four when I was able to name all 30 UK english dialects? 🙄
Yes, because I know a lot of Americans, and know OF a lot of Americans, who are in such a position. Whether they are trying the shows for the first time or just enjoy it for another reason, I have seen it happen. I don't know why they do it, this is what confuses me. There's no reason, but British comedy DOES carry a seemingly inherent credibility with a lot of Americans.That was your studying of our cultures, minor and major? Going into a library and meeting SOME British people...yet...somehow I'm the one generalising and I've actually been to your country multiple times, and have a great many friends and experiences there.
You are the one lacking the grounds to make any claims here, I'll bet you know next to nothing about England, but felt compelled to study it...why? Could it be that you didn't know enough about it, from living in AMERICA? I've never had to study America.
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I openly admit to not looking? Where did I say that? Or is it just you interpreting something I've said wrongly?
I never said it as if to say EVERY European knows more than every American, I've continually said there are exceptions, and I never said anything about being better or worse either way.
You are denying that there are Americans who fit what I have described?
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So then nobody has actually defeated my claims, have they? Think about it, Speedy.
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Good boy, now instead of telling me what happened, tell me where I admitted that I fit the stereotype, because I swear I just said that stereotypes exist because there is some truth to them.
I was unaware I said "Yes, that is me.".
So please, enthrall me with your acumen.
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Almost like? As in...I didn't actually do that ever, you're jumping to conclusions. So it boils down to you making a blind assumption, then? That's not very American of you. Oh wait...
What do you mean name all? South, West, Northeast, Midwest (I believe.) and then the mixed areas, or more specific?
-AC [/B]
Well what else is there than needs to be shown? I named all 30 UK English dialects and you can only name 4 American dialects. 😆
Yeah, you Europeans know more about American culture than us Americans know about yours. 😉
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yes, because I know a lot of Americans, and know OF a lot of Americans, who are in such a position. Whether they are trying the shows for the first time or just enjoy it for another reason, I have seen it happen. I don't know why they do it, this is what confuses me. There's no reason, but British comedy DOES carry a seemingly inherent credibility with a lot of Americans.-AC
Well, you can't blame the "first timers", as how do you know you'll like a comedy show until you've seen at least one episode. As far as enjoying it for other reasons, I can't imagine repetitively watching a comedy show where I either didn't understand the humor or it just wasn't humorous to me, e.g. "Larry the Cableguy". Might as well watch baseball games solely because 'you' like looking at bats.
If by "credibility" you mean "find it funny", then sure, British humor is generally funny, imo.
Originally posted by Creshosk
That's it? 4... you name off four when I was able to name all 30 UK english dialects? 🙄Well what else is there than needs to be shown? I named all 30 UK English dialects and you can only name 4 American dialects. 😆
Yeah, you Europeans know more about American culture than us Americans know about yours. 😉
A) Nice job dodging the rest of the post.
B) I asked you if you wanted it more specific.
C) We're discussing cultures, not specific linguistics or accents and dialects.
D) The very fact that you didn't know enough of England, living in America, and cared enough to research all 30 English dialects is, while respectable, very good at proving my point.
Why did you feel the "personal need" to study our culture? Did you perhaps feel like you weren't being taught enough about it there? Cos that'd kind of prove my point.
Why didn't you pick Russia?
-AC