Originally posted by shin_remy
Ken beated Ryu in sf2 canon and he beated Urien in sf 3 3s. they are not nobody's!! and he beated many strong fighters in uncanon story's including Gill!!!There are just a few who can beat ken in the sf universe and those are the ones who can beat Ryu
I think Ken Masters can win from K'. But not with ease!!!!
Ken wins in a close fight
Originally posted by Sado22
anyway there is one thing though, charlote. K' and Kyo and Iori have also taken down gods (with help of course) but they've done it too. at least Terry didn't do it canonwise since the anime aren't canon. the way i see it, putting out gods only shows that they are powerful as hell.
Thats the thing I hate which I have spoken to you about Sado. Just because Kyo, Iori and K' take down gods, people will always use that crap about how Terry and Ryo are not equal to them(especially Iori)and lose to them. Hearing of how Terry's opponents are nothing compared to Kyo's, Iori's and K's opponents and hearing how they best him and are more powerful makes me want to pour battery acid in my eye lids.
By the way I think Ken wins.
Originally posted by Sado22
yeah me too. is that little girl actually a character from the game? and when is that chick from DMC1 coming? the one who looks like his mother?😆
you seen the "comics and anime" page on my site?
anyway there is one thing though, charlote. K' and Kyo and Iori have also taken down gods (with help of course) but they've done it too. at least Terry didn't do it canonwise since the anime aren't canon. the way i see it, putting out gods only shows that they are powerful as hell.
~Sado
Trish is announsed in the anime. But I think she'll appear later. And the girl is not from the game, she appears only in anime.
And I've seen that page. Too bad many people take that myth too seriously and sprout that offensive crap about plot devices.
I'm not overselling K'. I just want to say that the fight would be close and both fighters have chanses to win. But I think that K's chanses are a bit more steady.
Some correction. A friend of mine has just told me that Trish will appear in the fourth episode of anime and there probably will be a fight between her and Lady.
And the reason of my great disapproval of Terry fanboys is based on things like that- http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=382309&highlight=title%3A%28Dante+Terry+Bogard%29
For the last time- there won't be an easy victory for K' since technically Ken is probably even a little better than that stinky ugly Ryu. But the best winning strategy for K' is to keep fighting defensively (what he can do really well) and wait for hothead Ken to make mistakes (pretty much in the same way as Ryu often does to Ken).
The day when Ken stops being such careless hothead is the day when he adds the victory over K' to his trophy bag. But Ken's hot temper is what causes him lose there.
K' wins 5-6\10. Ken should be calmer and then he will overcome even Ryu.
By the way, the fight with Ryu would be really difficult one for K' since there's no temper disadvantage to exploit.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Cocky and because of it tends to underestimate his opponents and fight in rather careless style...which is his biggest disadvantage there.
I would agree with you if we were talking about ken duiring alpha, but current ken is a grown man with lots of experience. I doubt he'll lose to some kid with flame powers. K' might impress, but he's not going to beat him.
Ken is mostly about pride. he's a brash and arrogant person and it won't be stretching it to say he's a hothead since brash and hotheaded tend to go hand in hand.
In my opinion Ken's biggest disadvantage along with the arrogance is that Ken has priorities. Fighting, i doubt, is his biggest priority and at the end of the day he's doing it mainly for the kicks of it. not to say that he isn't a true fighter. he is. however, there is a difference when you fight because your life depends on it and its the only thing you're good at and when you fight just for the fun of it.
for people like Ryu, Terry etc. fighting is their life. they live for it. they fight because they love it but also because its the only thing they are good at and can fall back on. nothing encompasses my point better than Ryu's best said line to date, "these fists are all that mean to me."
its true for Ryu and its true for many fighters...but not for Ken.
Ken has a family and has his hotel chain business to fall back on. at the end of the day, fighting is NOT his priority.
For K' it is. he's got nothing else to fall back on but his fighting skills since he isn't good at anything else...well not a prodigal at any rate.
That is the soul reason why i doubt Ken can beat people like Terry, Iori, Ryu, K' and even Kyo. these people fight because its their life. for Ken its just a hobby or a past time thing. he loves it...but he doesn't live it.
~The Invincible Sado-sama
I would agree with you if we were talking about ken duiring alpha, but current ken is a grown man with lots of experience. I doubt he'll lose to some kid with flame powers. K' might impress, but he's not going to beat him
~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22
Ken is mostly about pride. he's a brash and arrogant person and it won't be stretching it to say he's a hothead since brash and hotheaded tend to go hand in hand.
I disagree, he's never been shown to lose his temper in a match. In some respect's he's more focused than Ryu due to his grounded personality. Even when his son mel punched him in the testi's, He remained calm.
Originally posted by Sado22
In my opinion Ken's biggest disadvantage along with the arrogance is that Ken has priorities. Fighting, i doubt, is his biggest priority and at the end of the day he's doing it mainly for the kicks of it. not to say that he isn't a true fighter. he is. however, there is a difference when you fight because your life depends on it and its the only thing you're good at and when you fight just for the fun of it.
Not really, Ken was a comepteter like Ryu, but when he met Eliza during the semi-finals of U.S. martial arts tournament that all changed. Sure, he isn't as active as always and he isn't a dedicated as Ryu (who is?). But, he's still a serious fighter nonetheless.
Originally posted by Sado22
true but K' isn't JUST a kid with firepower. he's a prodigal fighter like Ken himself in the old days of Alpha. if that was the case then what was Ken doing winning US tournaments at the age of 22? also K' has faced a hellova of lot stiffer competition than schoolgirls and rookies. K' has fougth legends and lived to tell the tale, won tournaments and taken on advanced humans. its not ordinary fire power he's got there. he's got fire with stamina, determination and killer instinct.~Sado
I disagree, K' lacks development compared to Ken. He seems to be like typical flamers who steam rolls the cast. Though, his fight with Zero's clone was legit Imo. He seems to have disappeared into obscurity.
That "kid"'s record is rather impressive too. He was three times KOF champion at the age when Ken was still training (16-18 years). He's the youngest one in KOF elite...
Experience- yes, Ken has it. Ken even might be better than Ryu- if he stops being so cocky... Fighting against calm opponent with good defence and great talent for improvisation puts Ken at some disadvantage.
That's why Ryu almost always bests Ken- he's also calm fighter who loves to catch his opponents on their mistakes...
But the following reasons are only enough for K' to win 5-6\10, not more..that's going to be really close fight.
Not really, Ken was a comepteter like Ryu, but when he met Eliza during the semi-finals of U.S. martial arts tournament that all changed. Sure, he isn't as active as always and he isn't a dedicated as Ryu (who is?). But, he's still a serious fighter nonetheless.
Also, K' is constantly hunted as "biological weapon", samples of whose body are desirable for some criminal syndicates trying to recreate NESTS technology.
He knows what "fight for your life" means more than Ken will maybe even know.
Ken is a rich man with a family whose hobby is fighting. K' was created as a living weapon and his life for a long time was all about surviving...He was hunted down like one of the most wanted criminals and had to fight for his life.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
That "kid"'s record is rather impressive too. He was three times KOF champion at the age when Ken was still training (16-18 years). He's the youngest one in KOF elite...
He's a flamer, what do you expect? They always win a KOF tourney for know good reason. Despite winning all those tournament we still do not know what he can do as a fighter or his fighting principle. It seems Who beat who is always what debates including flamers are about.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Experience- yes, Ken has it. Ken even might be better than Ryu- if he stops being so cocky... Fighting against calm opponent with good defence and great talent for improvisation puts Ken at some disadvantageThat's why Ryu almost always bests Ken- he's also calm fighter who loves to catch his opponents on their mistakes...
No, Ryu beats him most of the time because he's more applied ,and Ken has beaten Ryu twice before.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Also, K' is constantly hunted as "biological weapon", samples of whose body are desirable for some criminal syndicates trying to recreate NESTS technology.
He knows what "fight for your life" means more than Ken will maybe even know.
True, but it doesn't change the fact that Ken is still much more seasoned then him. Ken trounce's him.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Ken is a rich man with a family whose hobby is fighting. K' was created as a living weapon and his life for a long time was all about surviving...He was hunted down like one of the most wanted criminals and had to fight for his life.
I don't see how that makes him better than Ken.