K' versus Ken Masters

For free? Well, with Orochi it were only three people who were TECHNICALLY able to do the job (seal demonic creature). But their bloodline were backed up with their skills (according to KOF:Kyo, Kyo isn't the only one with flames in his generation of his clan, just the most skilled one) so they had not only tools but the ability to work with it. Without it, they would have been most probably dead.
With Ingiz was the same stuff...he was pwnd by a group. But remember one fact...normally storylinewise it's the champion team who meets the last boss (fights with Krizalid and Ingiz happened AFTER Hero Team was declared champions, they didn't have to beat them in order to become champions) and except 2003 the hero team always was the champion team. So Kyo KOing Krizalid doesn't counts too much as stealing thunder from K' since storylinewise his team was already declared champions when they get to that underground base.
Sometimes (normally at the end of the saga- with Orochi and Ingiz) final fight happens in form of free-for-all thing. But that's almost always AFTER the actual winner is declared.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
For free? Well, with Orochi it were only three people who were TECHNICALLY able to do the job (seal demonic creature). But their bloodline were backed up with their skills (according to KOF:Kyo, Kyo isn't the only one with flames in his generation of his clan, just the most skilled one) so they had not only tools but the ability to work with it. Without it, they would have been most probably dead.

I.E. plot device

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel

With Ingiz was the same stuff...he was pwnd by a group. But remember one fact...normally storylinewise it's the champion team who meets the last boss (fights with Krizalid and Ingiz happened AFTER Hero Team was declared champions, they didn't have to beat them in order to become champions) and except 2003 the hero team always was the champion team. So Kyo KOing Krizalid doesn't counts too much as stealing thunder from K' since storylinewise his team was already declared champions when they get to that underground base.
Sometimes (normally at the end of the saga- with Orochi and Ingiz) final fight happens in form of free-for-all thing. But that's almost always AFTER the actual winner is declared.

Igniz is not the samething at all, because he had massive amounts prep and bosses gaurding him. He steam rolled the entire cast of 01 only to have Kyo, Iori, and K' get up and, blast him with the "Justice Flame".

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Right, we all remember what happened with Igniz. He got his ass handed to him despite having:

-Everyone's Data
-Studying the Kusanagi power for a year
- A boss as a body gaurd with bosses gaurding him
-The ability to steal people's Ki
-And, massive amounts of prep

[B] HE STILL LOST

No,no,no I didn't mean with their flame powers, Sado. 😆

I mean't the way they were written, I'm pretty sure they would do fine without the flames. 🙂

That's just my point, said GODs outranked them completely. So, how did said Gods lose? 😕

KOF 2001 is the worst/best example of jobbing in the history of fighting games. Four Bosses lost against the flamers, and three of them were on teams.

Personally, I think it's cool considering there are only two beyond humans in SF. Makes more sense than humans pwning gods for free. [/B]

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Seriously, how does a team of bosses lose?!

Man, you are so right.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Igniz is not the samething at all, because he had massive amounts prep and bosses gaurding him. He steam rolled the entire cast of 01 only to have Kyo, Iori, and K' get up and, blast him with the "Justice Flame".

😆 Justice Flame...so true. Actually no one is talking bad about K'. K' is the onlt flame user I like than those other two.

I.E. plot device

and i not rubbing this in, emp, don't get me wrong, but no one seems to have a problem accepting bison as godtier etc. despite being beaten to pulp by school girls and forced to retreat.................despite having unlimited power and back up source that was the whole damn world.

-Everyone's Data

Studying the Kusanagi power for a year

A boss as a body gaurd with bosses gaurding him

The ability to steal people's Ki

And, massive amounts of prep

~Sado

The lion in that fight was like a scared cat who gets "detention" with a sleeper after meowing loudly in the morning under his owner's bed. Where was the Greenpease?
And Ron and Krizalid clone weren't too great in that fight either.

And he DID study the flame gene since NESTS was able to reverse it creating Kula. But apart from that, NESTS didn't invented any antidotes or nullifiers for those sacred flames of Kusanagi and Yagami.

And by "it" I meant skills to use powers, not the powers itself. Less skilled used of sacred power would be pwned, but Kyo and Iori were skilled enough to survive. Sado has explained it before. They were not the only ones with powers (Kyo's father and cousins are also flame wieders) but they were skilled enough.

If you call skills a plot device, then everything in Street Fighter is one enormous plot device...

Ditto.
only ryu can push godtiers with infinite power supply away with ONE move. any time anyone else does it (and they didn't really kill Orochi as much as seal it away) with combined effort of THREE very powerful characters (and one godtier, Iori) is jobbing, plot device etc. etc. etc.

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
you know i am getting pretty sick of the cryptonite bull. for the last freaking time: no, he has no natural weakness against flames. if the flames had a natural thing against it:
-why couldn't Saishu put a scratch on Rugal who only has a small percentage of the Orochi power
-why couldn't Kyo beat Geonitz both times
-why aren't any of the other kusanagi family members able to help

I didn't bring it up, have mercy!

Originally posted by Sado22

and i not rubbing this in, emp, don't get me wrong, but no one seems to have a problem accepting bison as godtier etc. despite being beaten to pulp by school girls and forced to retreat.................despite having unlimited power and back up source that was the whole damn world.

That's called CIS, Bison should have owned everyone. I always agree with you when you bring up Alpha 3. The plot sucked, why keep bringing it up? People still consider Orochi, Rugal, and Igniz (Well I do) God tier despite being pwned by flamers.

Originally posted by Sado22

did you consider the possibility that there are new moves that the fighters invented that Igniz didn't see in the tournament which they used against him?
also, if you saw DoA movie, you'll know that having data doesn't mean jack 😛

You mean Justice flame, when was this said move created considering it came out of the blue?

Are you telling me that Kyo, Iori, and K practiced said move before the tourney, and how did they have enough energy to use said move effectively. They were beaten down, only to rise again and win.

Originally posted by Sado22

no not really. and if what you say actually holds some ground, then Orochi being familiar with it for 1800 years would have meant something.
NESTS was simply using the flame gene to make clones and harness its power for themselves via making clone armies. that's it.

That would still mean he has knowledge of it, sado. He obviously had great amounts of fighting data for him to steam roll the cast like that

Originally posted by Sado22

Ron is not a boss character. he's barely better than Lin...who sucks.
the lion? please
Krizalid clone was a boss but one assumes the clone was very weak since kyo clones were barely mid-tiers in the series.

-Ron was suposed to be a boss from what I heard.
-Krizalid is a boss peroid, regardless of how fast he got flamed.

Originally posted by Sado22

no, he doesn't have that.

Originally posted by Sado22

what do you mean prep? 😕

~Sado

Preperation.

Originally posted by Sado22
Ditto.
only ryu can push godtiers with infinite power supply away with ONE move. any time anyone else does it (and they didn't really kill Orochi as much as seal it away) with combined effort of THREE very powerful characters (and one godtier, Iori) is jobbing, plot device etc. etc. etc.

~Sado

I call jobbing on Ryu everytime on that feat, Sado.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
And by "it" I meant skills to use powers, not the powers itself. Less skilled used of sacred power would be pwned, but Kyo and Iori were skilled enough to survive. Sado has explained it before. They were not the only ones with powers (Kyo's father and cousins are also flame wieders) but they were skilled enough.

If you call skills a plot device, then everything in Street Fighter is one enormous plot device...

Right,right, the flamers are infintely skilled and can steam roll any boss.

sorry emp, but i didn't intend to rub the SFA3 plot in actually. i know you agreed with me...i'm just passing a comment on how it goes both ways and yet people (not you in particular) tend to bash KoF fighters for it.

~Sado

No need to apologise man.

Wait...Ryu can own Godtiers with one move? Are you talking about Alpha 3? All he did was finish it. Meh.

I just got one thing to say. . .please don't compare the fight with Bison in Alpha 3 to the KOF boss fights. Even though there was CIS involved, it was more sensible.

At least Bison took on nearly 20 people, maybe more, then got attacked and injured by the main character. And despite the serious underrating of the 12 Dolls, they are far more then normal school girls, they are elite assassins and the strongest under the four kings. They also have super human abilities and can even use Psycho Power to a small degree. The 12 dolls would've beat the crap outta Iori and co. And lets not forget that bison also took on playable characters from the game.

Now KOF bosses just straight up get soloed by characters who don't have the feats to back up their victories.

As far as jobbing and all that other crap go, SF does not compare. When it comes to jobbing and that other garbage, KOF is on a whole new level.

Justice Flame always cracks me up.

I'm not going to even try to defend Alpha 3 since the plot is so crappy.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Justice Flame always cracks me up.

At least Bison took on nearly 20 people, maybe more, then got attacked and injured by the main character.

And despite the serious underrating of the 12 Dolls, they are far more then normal school girls, they are elite assassins and the strongest under the four kings. They also have super human abilities and can even use Psycho Power to a small degree.

The 12 dolls would've beat the crap outta Iori and co. And lets not forget that bison also took on playable characters from the game.

Now KOF bosses just straight up get soloed by characters who don't have the feats to back up their victories.

oh and in all these fights, Iori Yagami was involved who himself is a godtier character. so...no.

As far as jobbing and all that other crap go, SF does not compare. When it comes to jobbing and that other garbage, KOF is on a whole new level.

by the way Whoelse, tell me something:
is Oro a godtier character?

~Sado

You gotta stop using tiers in non gameplay wise fights, that doest work well.

I use the Tiamat guide my self, but you CAN NOT hang on every word. You are under hyping the dolls, calling them school girls and what not, and saying there far from strong. And If you wanna go inti in game stuff, the two dolls have instant kill team up supers.

You gotta learn to face facts Sado, and stop over hyping and under hyping for your own benefits, it makes you look bad.

SNK jobs ALOT and SF doesn't.

Face facts.

I use the Tiamat guide my self, but you CAN NOT hang on every word. You are under hyping the dolls, calling them school girls and what not, and saying there far from strong. And If you wanna go inti in game stuff, the two dolls have instant kill team up supers

You gotta learn to face facts Sado, and stop over hyping and under hyping for your own benefits, it makes you look bad.

also, i am not saying that SNK jobs as much as i am saying that the victories of Kyo, Iori etc. are victories at the end of the day. THAT is a fact.

~Sado

Actually, Ken and Sakura engaged Bison first. Ryu, drove him back with a Shoryuken after he esacped his influence. Bison then went on to fight half the cast of Alpha 3, no one defeated him in a fight.

EDIT: The Dolls sucked, but stop minimalizing, Sado. =/