So We All Deserve to Suffer, huh ?

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Untrue, since human beings also and commonly adhere to emotions which cause them harm and lead them to suffer. Ever hear of Infatuation? Obsession ?

That's because they get gratification from said emotions which was my point. People on cling to emotions that feel good regardless if it effects them positively or negatively.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali

How do you know that for the most part, actions lead by emotions aren't generally healthy ? What basis to you claim this on ?

The basis I just explained on my previous post, we only adhere to emotions that are gratifying. For better or for worst we wll always want emotions that feel good.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali

They are both equally important.
Which is more important ? Your right arm, or your left arm ?

There both important since they have the same function versus your intellect and emotions which are completely different.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali

Healthy actions depend on intellect and emotion.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali

Yes, Empathy, for one helps me properly assist a person and maintain a healthy relationship.

Love also does.

Fear can as well.

So, If I'm in a relationship with an obsessive overly dependent individual. Empathsizing with said person will help the relationship? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali

That's a dumb question seeing as how all riddles require intellect.

Just like all critical life saving descions, which is why I brought it up.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali

Secondly, if I know something is right, then i wouldn't rely on my feeling.

So, if emotions are equally important than why is it that you cannot use them in critical descisions like the one I just gave you?

Originally posted by Goddess Kali

If you see a poor person on the street, and you decide to give them food or money, do you do so because:

1) You feel bad for that person

or

2) Because you know math very well

I give them the money because if I were in a situation like that it would be conviennet to have someone do the same. I do it to set an example, not because I feel sorry for the bum.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali

It depends what the critical actions are. If I have a math problem to solve, I rely on my reason. If someone needs my help, I rely on my emotion.

So, your telling me you use your emotion to figure out how to help someone in a particular situation and not your intellect? 😆

So, firefighters follow there heart to save lives or the routine they practice which is laid out be analyzing previous situations?

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Also, Ashtar, Intellect can be just as dangerous as emotion if left unchecked and unrestrained.

Ask yourself...were the Nazi Scientists who did those experiments on Holocaust victims acting out of emotion or intellect ? They had no empathy towards thier subjects. Knowledge was thier only concern. They had no sense of "right or wrong", just a clear objective. An objective which lead to immense discovery, but at what cost ?

Or

Let's say I work for the government. There is a spy who had information vital to the country, which will not only strengthen our safety but provide us with info on enemy nations.

I am an expert at torture. I enact great torture upon this spy to get the information I need. The spy and his pain are of no concern to me. All I require is the information, and if he does not speak, I will torture him until he does.

Is this action done out of intellect or emotion ?

It's obviously intellect, but that's irrelevant because there will be people who praise said actions or frown on them.

Emperor Ashtar, you seem to have a very negative emotional attachment to emotions.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Emperor Ashtar, you seem to have a very negative emotional attachment to emotions.

No, I just do not let them run my life ever.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
No, I just do not let them run my life ever.

I would say you are very emotional about emotions. 😉 Or you would have lost interest in this side topic long ago, just like I did.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I would say you are very emotional about emotions. 😉 Or you would have lost interest in this side topic long ago, just like I did.

I just do not let them run my life, or take presedence over what I see with reason.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
But, I don't have negative emotions about emotions.( that sounded weird)

I just do not let them run my life, or take presedence over what I see with reason.

A person who uses reason would not start posts with "no, no, no", but a person controlled by emotion would. Did you also know it was off topic?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
A person who uses reason would not start posts with "no, no, no", but a person controlled by emotion would. Did you also know it was off topic?

Also, these points are relevant to the topic. Kali wants to know if humans deserve to suffer, and I give him the answer. To live is to suffer, and in the long run people who are unwillling to go through legitamate suffering because of emotions will suffer.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
What are you talking about, because I post a certain way I'm emotional?
Are you a psychologist to be making such analysis?

Also, these points are relevant to the topic. Kali wants to know if humans deserve to suffer, and I give him the answer. To live is to suffer, and in the long run people who are unwillling to go through legitamate suffering because of emotions will suffer.

Sorry to upset you. 🙄

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Sorry to upset you. 🙄

Your not. . . 😕

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Your not. . . 😕

😆 Did you know that confusion was an emotion?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
😆 Did you know that confusion was an emotion?

Humans are so predictable, I knew you would comment on my smilie. 🙂

I never siad I didn't feel emotions, I just do not let them run my life.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Humans are so predictable, I knew you would comment on my smilie. 🙂

I never siad I didn't feel emotions, I just do not let them run my life.

Your typing get worse when you get emotional. 😆

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Kali wants to know if humans deserve to suffer, and I give him the answer.

That is not true. I don't beleive anyone deserves to suffer. I am questioning the popular Fundamental Christian based beleif that people naturally deserve to suffer.

And btw, you are going off topic.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Your typing get worse when you get emotional. 😆

Huh, my typing is the same. 😕

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
That is not true. I don't beleive anyone deserves to suffer. I am questioning the popular Fundamental Christian based beleif that people naturally deserve to suffer.

And btw, you are going off topic.

I'm not off-topic, and I've given you the explanation which you refuse to acknowledge because of attachments. Again, we suffer because we refuse to accept legitimate suffering. Emotions are relevant to this for the most part.

Sorry for the double post.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I'm not off-topic, and I've given you the explanation which you refuse to acknowledge because of attachments. Again, we suffer because we refuse to accept legitimate suffering. Emotions are relevant to this for the most part.

Sorry for the double post.

Don't be so emotional. 🙄

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
That's because they get gratification from said emotions which was my point. People on cling to emotions that feel good regardless if it effects them positively or negatively.

Some emotions to DO NOT FEEL GOOD, and yet people still cling to them. Your claim is mute.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
The basis I just explained on my previous post, we only adhere to emotions that are gratifying. For better or for worst we wll always want emotions that feel good.

Again that is not true. We also cling to emotions which make us feel bad. Like infatuation, or obsession, or anger for example.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
There both important since they have the same function versus your intellect and emotions which are completely different.

Intellect and Emotions are equally important, we must utilize both. Intellect cannot create courage. Only emotion can. Emotion alone cannot win a war. Only intellect can. Do you understand ?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
What?

So, If I'm in a relationship with an obsessive overly dependent individual. Empathsizing with said person will help the relationship? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

Yes.

It's far better than abandoning the person. To try and understand the person's state of mind is far greater and more productive then abandoning them.

Abandonment of this person is harmful, and abandonment is an action based on the rational that this person is hopless. That decision you make based on intellect is harmful in this case.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
So, if emotions are equally important than why is it that you cannot use them in critical descisions like the one I just gave you?

Yes you can use them in critical decisions like the scenario I explained above.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I give them the money because if I were in a situation like that it would be conviennet to have someone do the same. I do it to set an example, not because I feel sorry for the bum.

You give them the money because you care. That's an emotional response. Not a purely intellectual one.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
So, your telling me you use your emotion to figure out how to help someone in a particular situation and not your intellect? 😆

You use both. I would help someone because I cared. That is an immediate emotional response, not an intellectual one.

If I didn't care, then I wouldn't help.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
So, firefighters follow there heart to save lives or the routine they practice which is laid out be analyzing previous situations?

FireFighters utilize two things:

1) Intellect- strategies which allow them to most successfully rescue a person/people.

2) Emotion- which supplies the courage and concern a Firefighter needs to do his/her job.

Please do not delude yourself into thinking that courage or compassion (both emotions) don't play a part in rescuing someone, especially from a fire.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I'm not off-topic, and I've given you the explanation which you refuse to acknowledge because of attachments. Again, we suffer because we refuse to accept legitimate suffering. Emotions are relevant to this for the most part.

Sorry for the double post.

You are still off topic. I am not asking why we suffer, I already know why.

I am asking why certain people beleive we deserve to suffer. Do you not understand the difference ?

Originally posted by Goddess Kali

I am asking why certain people beleive we [b]deserve to suffer. Do you not understand the difference ? [/B]