Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Because they are linear in function. Humans will only adhere to emotions that gratify them feel good rather than what's objectively good for them.Why would why need to meet everyone to know that certain choices will have a negative consequence in life?
Having both doesn't change the priority of one.
And, tell me, is it an emotional based action that helps you properly assist a person or maintain a healthy relationship?
You can name all the examples you want and I can turn it around on you. But, let me end this now with a question. If a gunmen positioned a firearm near your temple, and threatened to kill you if you did not answer a riddle. Would you rather base you answer to his enigma on what you feel is right or what you know is right?
Wrong, Emotion is not as important as reason in the long run and you can easily effect your emotion with thought. I do it all the time by reframing. But, if you believe they are the same answer my question. Would you trust critical actions with your emotion or reason?
referring to the last paragraph. your wrong, your base needs to be in emotion{as conciousness is more inherently emotion than anything else. first breath, opening of eyes, the FEALING that you exist. none of the are REASON. neglect reason and you really WILL become just the behavioural consequence of psuedo emotion. once you have a BASE in emotion, its good to keep a helthy dose of both emotion and reason to DEVELOP from your emotional base. they both have their domains. after all, use logic/reason, live the best and most reasonable life. reason well to make the best of situations. really, whats it all for if you dont have emotions to FEAL the positivity associated with the best of situations? its like endlessly pursuing a goal with no way to benefit from the goal. reason should CATER to the universal conciousness{i mean the conciousness of all the individuals seen as equal and deserving, nothing mystical} which is based in emotion. {after all what good is a money printing press if no humans live on the earth. the press being reason, and humans being emotion/conciousness}
Originally posted by leonheartmm
referring to the last paragraph. your wrong, your base needs to be in emotion{as conciousness is more inherently emotion than anything else. first breath, opening of eyes, the FEALING that you exist. none of the are REASON. neglect reason and you really WILL become just the behavioural consequence of psuedo emotion. once you have a BASE in emotion, its good to keep a helthy dose of both emotion and reason to DEVELOP from your emotional base. they both have their domains. after all, use logic/reason, live the best and most reasonable life. reason well to make the best of situations. really, whats it all for if you dont have emotions to FEAL the positivity associated with the best of situations? its like endlessly pursuing a goal with no way to benefit from the goal. reason should CATER to the universal conciousness{i mean the conciousness of all the individuals seen as equal and deserving, nothing mystical} which is based in emotion. {after all what good is a money printing press if no humans live on the earth. the press being reason, and humans being emotion/conciousness}
I never stated that we do not need emotion at all which is what your response seems to cover. Emotion is simply how react to an experience, it is not an objective description as to what we are experiencing. Emotions describe things on how they relate to us in that very instance, not the long run. Your right, emotions are basic in telling us that we are alive and/or give us some insight to what happens to us as individuals. But, that is where it ends and thus it is only limited to how far we carry it.
I'll cannot know the feeling of something I've haven't interacted with first hand. But, I can know what something will do if study it.
Emotions are for the here and now.
Originally posted by ShakyamunisonBut, they are always together. Again, I'm not trying to imply that you cannot use emotion, but that emotion has a limited ability. There is only so much you can do with emotions when compared to reason. You cannot ignore your emotions, that's harmful. But, you cannot let them run your life either.
You can get to some higher worlds with reason, but not the two highest. Those require all aspects of life, including emotion: Reason and emotion together.
Originally posted by Goddess KaliMental Pain exists far more than Physical Pain does.
The two are interrelated.
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
People suffer needlessly all the time.
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Buddhism teaches us to not allow emotions to run our life, and to suffer as little as possible.
I believe Buddhism teaches that if we allow emotions to run our life we will for needlessly.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
But, they are always together. Again, I'm not trying to imply that you cannot use emotion, but that emotion has a limited ability. There is only so much you can do with emotions when compared to reason. You cannot ignore your emotions, that's harmful. But, you cannot let them run your life either.
But to me, the same is true with the intellect. You cannot let only reason run your life.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But to me, the same is true with the intellect. You cannot let only reason run your life.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
No,no,no you cannot let emotions guide/run your life period. Emotions cannot give you answers or see ahead. Emotions are to get a base on the here and now. You can do other things with emotions, but they a very limited.
Reason uses the power of intellect which are emotional or better understood the pyschological states of being as it implies in the concept of the Ten Worlds. Moroever, Buddhism views a living being as the harmonious coming together of what it terms the "five components." These are: the physical aspects of life and the senses; perception, which integrates the impressions received through the senses; conception, by which we form ideas about what we have perceived; volition, the will that acts on conception; and consciousness, the function of discernment that supports the functioning of the other components. Life is the force or energy that keeps these five components functioning together as a harmonious and integrated whole.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
No, reason uses intellect and not emotion. Emotions are just reactions to experiences.
Well, emotional, for me, is not just feelings or reactions. It means the totality of one's being which one experiences in psycholgical, spiritual and/or emotional aspects of life. The concept of Ten Worlds encompasses such views.
Originally posted by mahasattva
Well, emotional, for me, is not just feelings or reactions. It means the totality of one's being which one experiences in psycholgical, spiritual and/or emotional aspects of life. The concept of Ten Worlds encompasses such views.
Ten worlds dictate that emotions are limited to an external exsistence. But, I see what you mean.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Ten worlds dictate that emotions are limited to an external exsistence. But, I see what you mean.
Based on my understanding above, I would say they are natural expressions of state of mind or life-condition. The sixth paths are reactive while the four noble worlds are pro-active.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Firstly, "negative thinking" does not weaken the immune system, (gluco)corticosteroids do.Secondly, that's an incredibly simplistic view of the immunological reaction to neoplasia. For one thing parts of the normal immune response to stimuli (macrophages) actually enhance progression of tumor growth and angiogenesis.
Tumor suppressor genes, e.g. p53 are more competent at controlling neoplasia than immune response and the local tumor environment already secretes immunosuppressant factors (TGF-beta, IL-10, PGE-2 etc.). Tumor cells also have other means of immune response evasion that are antigen-specific. The role of the immune system in control of cancer would be predominantly in preventing micrometastasis.
T cell proliferation and NK cell cytotoxicity are correlated to prognosis; and likewise T cell proliferation and NKCC are inversely correlated to initial subjective stress and changes in subjective stress respectively. However none of which makes this statement true:
Harmful or "Toxic" Emotions have a great affect on the body. There is much evidense to back this up, and you yourself have confirmed so with agreement.
Corticosteroids are best released through great emotional stress. So to say that excessive Emotional Stress can lead to Cancer, or other physical illnesses/impairment is not incorrect.
A Positive Mentality itself does not cure anything. However, it leads to actions, habits, and behaviors which aid in recovery. You know this. Also, the immune system is allowed to work without the added affects of unnecessary mental stress.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Because they are linear in function. Humans will only adhere to emotions that gratify them feel good rather than what's objectively good for them.
Untrue, since human beings also and commonly adhere to emotions which cause them harm and lead them to suffer. Ever hear of Infatuation? Obsession ?
People cling to these things all the time.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Why would why need to meet everyone to know that certain choices will have a negative consequence in life?
You didn't say that certain choices will have a negative consequence in life ....
This is what you said:
What I was saying was actions lead for the most part by emotions aren't generally healthy.
How do you know that for the most part, actions lead by emotions aren't generally healthy ? What basis to you claim this on ?
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Having both doesn't change the priority of one.
They are both equally important.
Which is more important ? Your right arm, or your left arm ?
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
And, tell me, is it an emotional based action that helps you properly assist a person or maintain a healthy relationship?
Healthy actions depend on intellect and emotion. Yes, Empathy, for one helps me properly assist a person and maintain a healthy relationship.
Love also does.
Fear can as well.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
You can name all the examples you want and I can turn it around on you. But, let me end this now with a question. If a gunmen positioned a firearm near your temple, and threatened to kill you if you did not answer a riddle. Would you rather base you answer to his enigma on what you feel is right or what you know is right?
That's a dumb question seeing as how all riddles require intellect. Secondly, if I know something is right, then i wouldn't rely on my feeling. Let me ask you a question now:
If you see a poor person on the street, and you decide to give them food or money, do you do so because:
1) You feel bad for that person
or
2) Because you know math very well
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Wrong, Emotion is not as important as reason in the long run and you can easily effect your emotion with thought. I do it all the time by reframing. But, if you believe they are the same answer my question. Would you trust critical actions with your emotion or reason?
It depends what the critical actions are. If I have a math problem to solve, I rely on my reason. If someone needs my help, I rely on my emotion.
Also, Ashtar, Intellect can be just as dangerous as emotion if left unchecked and unrestrained.
Ask yourself...were the Nazi Scientists who did those experiments on Holocaust victims acting out of emotion or intellect ? They had no empathy towards thier subjects. Knowledge was thier only concern. They had no sense of "right or wrong", just a clear objective. An objective which lead to immense discovery, but at what cost ?
Or
Let's say I work for the government. There is a spy who had information vital to the country, which will not only strengthen our safety but provide us with info on enemy nations.
I am an expert at torture. I enact great torture upon this spy to get the information I need. The spy and his pain are of no concern to me. All I require is the information, and if he does not speak, I will torture him until he does.
Is this action done out of intellect or emotion ?
Originally posted by Goddess KaliI stated correlations, having previously stated that correlation does not imply causation. I stated that the underlying substrates of emotions such as glucocorticoid levels can affect the body.
Harmful or "Toxic" Emotions have a great affect on the body. There is much evidense to back this up, and you yourself have confirmed so with agreement.
Nowhere have I stated an agreement with the assertion of "toxic emotions" being causative in any form or carcinoma.
Dexamethasone is far more potent than cortisol and is regularly co-administered with chemotherapeutics to prevent side-effects. The fact that this strong immunosuppressant is administered, would in itself suggest that whatever impact the slight variations in naturally produced cortisol due to affective state they are of minimal impact to outcomes when compared to the side-effects.
And again neoplastic tumors in themselves are immunosuppressive.
Originally posted by Goddess KaliYes. It would be incorrect to say that "emotional stress can lead to cancer," especially so if one tries to imply that this is in and of itself. Emotional stress does not "lead to cancer." Cortisol release does not "lead to cancer."
Corticosteroids are best released through great emotional stress. So to say that excessive Emotional Stress can lead to Cancer, or other physical illnesses/impairment is [b]not incorrect.[/B]
Genetics and carcinogens lead to neoplasia, which can be benign or malignant. Malignant neoplasms are cancer. Immunosuppression may impact metastasis. The changes in cortisol level due to negative affect don't produce anywhere near the amount of immunosuppression as you're trying to imply. Nor are the changes sufficient to negatively impact the immune system, such that a positive affect would have prevented metastasis, while a negative affect allowed it to occur. This is AFAIK and you haven't shown anything to suggest any causation.
Originally posted by Goddess KaliSee above.
A [b]Positive Mentality itself does not cure anything. However, it leads to actions, habits, and behaviors which aid in recovery. You know this. Also, the immune system is allowed to work without the added affects of unnecessary mental stress. [/B]