So We All Deserve to Suffer, huh ?

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
"I treat others how I [b]would like to be treated my self..."

That's an emotional response, not an intellectual one. [/B]

No, it isn't, because to empathsize is to identify with an individual. Now are you telling me that to indentify with someone is an emotional process?

Originally posted by Goddess Kali

What have I ignored ? I answered all of your points. They [b]ARE on equal footing.
[/B]

You answered them by cutting out the relevant parts and claiming they are irrelevant, and you edited my post.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali

What are you talking about now ? A standard murderer and a serious serial killer are [b]NOT the same.
A murderer has a motive, and one reason for killing one or more people.
A serial killer is physiologically different from the rest of us, and thier actions are based on the way thier brain is developed. They lack empathy of all things.

Not all murderers lack empathy, but serial killers do. [/B]

So, all Serial killers are the same according to you? 😆

What makes a serial killer function, it is necessary to look back into their past, particularly their adolescent life. By looking at many and varied cases, it is evident that virtually all serial killers come from dysfunctional backgrounds involving sexual or physical abuse, drugs or alcoholism and their related problems. Many traits that seem to be universal in all these serial killers, though in varied amounts, include disorganised thinking, bipolar mode disorders, a feeling of resentment towards society brought on by their own failings, sexual frustrations, an inability to be social or socially accepted, over bearing parents and a wild imagination that tends to drag them into a fantasy world. In a chart of serial killer - childhood development characteristics - created by Ressler, Burgers and Douglas (1990), the three most frequently reported behaviors included day dreaming, compulsive masturbation, and isolation.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali

Serial killers [b]are psychologically different from the rest of us.
http://www.seattleluxury.com/encyclopedia/entry/serial_killer [/B]

Please link me to a medical journal that supports the notion that serial killers are all the the same and different from "US".
A Serial Killer is usually an individual with a number of Sociopathic Behaviour. All of them have history of abuse and usually: Delusioned, Isolated, and Sexually Frustrated.

It's not really about Empathy.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali

http://www.mental-health-matters.com/disorders/dis_details.php?disID=39

[b]Dissociative Identity Disorder
Also known as:

Description

Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID), formerly known as multiple personality disorder, is a disorder in which a person has more than one discrete, separate identity. Each identity is unique, and has its own sets of memories, ideas, thoughts, ways of thinking, and purposes. One identity may be the protector, while another may be a child. On average, a person with DID has between 8 and 13 separate personalities. DID generally results from a severe traumatic experience during the early childhood years.

http://www.healthline.com/galecontent/dissociative-identity-disorder

Causes

The severe dissociation that characterizes patients with DID is currently understood to result from a set of causes:

an innate ability to dissociate easily
repeated episodes of severe physical or sexual abusein childhood
lack of a supportive or comforting person to counteract abusive relative(s)
influence of other relatives with dissociative symptoms or disorders

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So yes, Emporer Ashtar, Emotional Trauma such as repeated sexual abuse causes Multiple Personality Disorder (a.k.a. Dissociative Idenity Disorder)

You are once again, incorrect. [/B]

The disturbance is not due to the direct psychological effects of a substance or of a general medical condition. Why some people develop DID is not entirely understood, but they frequently report having experienced severe physical and sexual abuse, especially during childhood. Though the accuracy of such reports is disputed, they are often confirmed by objective evidence. Individuals with DID may also have post-traumatic symptoms (nightmares, flashbacks, and startle responses) or Post-traumatic Stress Disorder. Several studies suggest that DID is more common among close biological relatives of persons who also have the disorder than in the general population. As this once rarely reported disorder has grown more common, the diagnosis has become controversial. Some believe that because DID patients are highly suggestible, their symptoms are at least partly iatrogenic, that is, prompted by their therapists' probing. Brain imaging studies, however, have corroborated identity transitions.

There's isn't even any solid evidence suggesting it exsist. Nevermind the cases are rare, most victims of child abuse suffer (PTSD) Post Traumatic Stress Disorder not Nultiple

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
No, it isn't, because to empathsize is to identify with an individual. Now are you telling me that to indentify with someone is an emotional process?

The definitions I have provided have already proven that Empathy is all about emotional identification. Please stop playing the "word game", and please stop trying to re-define terms that have existed before you have.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
You answered them by cutting out the relevant parts and claiming they are irrelevant, and you edited my post.

I do not recall editting your post, copying a quote from your post is NOT editting. Nice try 👇

Now, can you please debate like an adult, and stop with silly accusations ? thanks.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
So, all Serial killers are the same according to you? 😆

No, they differ in history, ofcourse.

But the part of thier brains which promote hesitation, fear, empathy, and compassion do not work properly, like a regular person's would. That is what separates us.

This is Fact, not an opinion.

Even Shaky confirmed it.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
What makes a serial killer function, it is necessary to look back into their past, particularly their adolescent life. By looking at many and varied cases, it is evident that virtually all serial killers come from dysfunctional backgrounds involving sexual or physical abuse, drugs or alcoholism and their related problems. Many traits that seem to be universal in all these serial killers, though in varied amounts, include disorganised thinking, bipolar mode disorders, a feeling of resentment towards society brought on by their own failings, sexual frustrations, an inability to be social or socially accepted, over bearing parents and a wild imagination that tends to drag them into a fantasy world. In a chart of serial killer - childhood development characteristics - created by Ressler, Burgers and Douglas (1990), the three most frequently reported behaviors included day dreaming, compulsive masturbation, and isolation.

You forgot lack of empathy, you forgot a fixed physiology, a disfunction in a part of the brain which disables them to feel for others the way you or myself would.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Please link me to a medical journal that supports the notion that serial killers are all the the same and different from "US".
A Serial Killer is usually an individual with a number of Sociopathic Behaviour. All of them have history of abuse and usually: Delusioned, Isolated, and Sexually Frustrated.

Check out "Most Evil". This was played on A&E, History Channel, and other broadcasts. Experts on serial killers, scientists mind you, have determined that the brain of a serial killer is physically different than the brains of other people. The most common aspect is that the part of thier brain which promotes hesitation, compassion, and empathy is non-functioning.

I didn't say all serial killers are the same, but thier physiologies differ from that of standard murderers, and non-murderers.

You request that I find a medical journal for you, yet you have provided me with no such evidense yourself.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
It's not really about Empathy.

Yes it is. Part of it is, anyway.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
There's isn't even any solid evidence suggesting it exsist.

.....they are often confirmed by objective evidence.

😆 I love how you try to play the Word Game with me.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
The [b]definitions I have provided have already proven that Empathy is all about emotional identification. Please stop playing the "word game", and please stop trying to re-define terms that have existed before you have. [/B]

The process of identification is not an emotional process. Tell me, how do you emotional attach to an individual without using your intellect or knowing what they are going through? Do these feelings spontaneuously appear? 😕

If a foreigner described you a crisis about his/her life in a language you did not understand, and you have no idea what he's telling you. Would you empathsize for him despite not understanding anything he says?

You have to relate to an individual to connect with them, and that very act is an intellectual one. You put yourself in there positions and feelings arise. Your definition is right, your just wrong.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali

I do not recall editting your post, copying a quote from your post is [b]NOT editting. Nice try 👇

Now, can you please debate like an adult, and stop with silly accusations ? thanks. [/B]

Originally posted by Goddess Kali

No, they differ in history, ofcourse.

But the part of thier brains which promote hesitation, fear, empathy, and compassion do not work properly, like a regular person's would. That is what separates us.

This is Fact, not an opinion.

A fact which you haven't even proven. Instead you keep harping about how Serial Killers are different from Psychologically. What form of psychosis prevents a serial killer from empathsizing?

Originally posted by Goddess Kali

Even Shaky confirmed it.

Shaky was talking about buddhism, not psychology like you.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali

You forgot lack of empathy, you forgot a fixed physiology, a disfunction in a part of the brain which disables them to feel for others the way you or myself would.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali

Check out [b]"Most Evil". This was played on A&E, History Channel, and other broadcasts. Experts on serial killers, scientists mind you, have determined that the brain of a serial killer is physically different than the brains of other people. The most common aspect is that the part of thier brain which promotes hesitation, compassion, and empathy is non-functioning. [/B]

A&E,History Channel, and other networks can air whatever studies they want regardless of evidence supporting it. The network that own said channels can air what they wanrt because it's their network. How often does History Channel air programs that attempt to prove the Bible as an historical epoch? Instead of watching TV read a book and listen to what people say.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali

I didn't say all serial killers are the same, but thier [B]physiologies differ from that of standard murderers, and non-murderers. [/B]

I'm gonna let you figure out what's wrong with that.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali

You request that I find a medical journal for you, yet you have provided me with no such evidense yourself.

I just did, nevermind that I study this topic versus watching A&E. 😆

Originally posted by Goddess Kali

Yes it is. Part of it is, anyway.

Not really. . .not how you attempted to make it seem.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali

[b].....they are often confirmed by objective evidence.
😆 I love how you try to play the Word Game with me. [/B]

Where is this evidence, A&E?

I like how you play the correlation game with me. Instead of focusing on what causes a psychosis you use the correlating symptoms to support your argument. Lake claiming child abuse ofetn leads to MDP despite the fact there is no evidence supporting the exsistence of MDP. Child abuse leads to PTSD, do your homework.

oh you two stop your psycho babble. lol.

back ..

Originally posted by leonheartmm

hunger, misery and pain were a sideaffect of siddharta giving up food, ignorance and wordly pleasure. the NEGETIVITY associated with the giving up of those things was NOT what guided buddha. it was the trancendance of materialistic chains that stop most beings from reaching a higher level of existance, that finally allowed shakyamunisoon to break away from his human bond. atleast thats how i see it. however this world is, in part, physical. and in my oppinion, either not evolved/changed or inherently not fit enough to house a higher level ofconciousness. by its very nature, giving up on materialistic things will cause pain and suffering to the material body. as this dimension has holds on our body stronger than cages. but it IS necessary to make a differentiation between the SEPERATION/TRANCENDANCE and PAIN/SUFFERING, associated with that trancendance. the former{i think} plays a part in elevating you to higher level, the later, does not, and could ideally be done without, in an ideal world. also its good not to confuse the necessity to feal and understand the pain of others{needed for trancendance} with the pain of leaving materialistic bounds{not really a cause/need for trancendance, again, in my humble oppinion.}
furthermore, you should seperate, the pain that comes with the realisation{of some} that you are infact a prisoner of your desires{same way a human would hate to be a slave where its master had more control over it than its nature or conciounce}, and the pain that comes with LETTING GO of those desires which is due to addiction and habit. the former is probably needed in ascension. the later, it is your aim to overcome/avoid, and is not a necessity for trancendance.

Hmmm , I know that this religion is a a nebulous religion and allows for change and you can cherry pick and form your own views and not exactly what Buddha's teaching .
Even Christmas Humpreys, author of the book ‘Buddhism’, says of himself that he studied Buddhism for thirty years and of Buddhism in the world today he knows more than most “The Buddha himself wrote nothing, and none of his teaching was written down for at least four hundred years after his death. We therefore do not know what the Buddha taught, any more than we know what Jesus taught; and today at least four schools, with sub-division in each, proclaim their own view as to what is Buddhism". For this reason this debate is pointless..

Originally posted by leonheartmm
furthermore, UNLIKE islam/christianity buddhism does NOT tell you that to you can only acheive enlightenment{actually not a concept found in islam or christianity} through sufferring. it might have been the legacy of buddhas to take alms, but thats a different thing. suffering isnt like the trial of sin/good deeds that allah places infront of you. its a wholly different concept. not sinister/totalitarian/tyrranically decisive, like that of islam. and noweher do i know of where suffering is directly proportional to enlightenmient . if indeed your suffering is causing you to lose focus and start hating/be scared of anything/cause disturbing internal conflict, your probably going AWAY from enlightenment, so no, that doesnt hold.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
and while were on the subject, the LOWEST hell{islamic jahannum i mean} has peoples head cleaved in two, and their brains boiled with the sparks of hellfire as their fingers burn and ther bodies rot{and hellfire even the weakest is sinsiterly black and 5 times hotter than any fire eveer created in the univers,e including big bangs/sun etc}. this is done again and again forever. or how abaout the suicide, who will have an extra punishment of eternally, and continuously dying the same way he killed himself in real life.

Were there no punishments for evil, what would discourage us from doing evil things? If God were to treat the evil and the good in the same manner, there would be no justice.Think !

Originally posted by leonheartmm
death by stoning for adultery or fornication on top pf 80 lashes each.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
encouragement to beat up children above 8 for not saying prayer.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
making women wear the burqa and have no contact with any men after 10 other than in the most crucial of matter

Hijab or Burqua is a personal choice, don’t make it sound bad. Damn.Why a nun can be covered from head to toe in order to devote herself to God But when Muslim women does the same she oppressed

Originally posted by leonheartmm
no punishment for marital rape.

http://www.muslimaccess.com/articles/Women/rape_in_islam.asp

Originally posted by leonheartmm
or the fact that any interest earnt on any money in real life will turn to molten metal and burn your entire body in the grave until the day of judgement.

Never heard of it

Originally posted by leonheartmm
killing of infidels who say anything against the prophet.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
permissable beating of your wife if she does sumthing you dont like or is unislamic.

Read about it carefully

Originally posted by leonheartmm
denying sexuality until marriage.

Of course, if sexual relationships are left without control, we will have many generations of unknown lineage

Originally posted by leonheartmm
i cud go on and on. islamic is terrible when it comes to ABUSING the body and mind.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
confident in your knowledge on comparitive relegion huh. ho ho ho, i cant wait miss zakir naik 😎 .

Wow it would be great to be like him .He always won in the debate 😎

Originally posted by Fatima
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Hmmm , I know that this religion is a a nebulous religion and allows for change and you can cherry pick and form your own views and not exactly what Buddha's teaching .
Even Christmas Humpreys, author of the book ‘Buddhism’, says of himself that he studied Buddhism for thirty years and of Buddhism in the world today he knows more than most “The Buddha himself wrote nothing, and none of his teaching was written down for at least four hundred years after his death. We therefore do not know what the Buddha taught, any more than we know what Jesus taught; and today at least four schools, with sub-division in each, proclaim their own view as to what is Buddhism". For this reason this debate is pointless..

First of all Allah is forgivable, he forgave all sins expect Polytheism beside Islam teaches that it is we ourselves who have to earn our heaven by doing good, as it is not given gratis. Nor does God do the injustice of making an innocent person suffer for your sake while you are having fun .
Allah created human beings and gave them free will. He did not create robots who cannot do anything outside they are program to do. People cannot blame god for their own actions.

Were there no punishments for evil, what would discourage us from doing evil things? If God were to treat the evil and the good in the same manner, there would be no justice.Think !

When Islam says that those charged with fornication must be seen by four virtuous witnesses, this means that this act of fornication must be so public that it is practically done in the street. Can you imagine seeing this situation in the street? If Islam really wanted to apply this punishment, it would have minimized the number of witnesses or would not have stipulated that they have to be righteous.

Above 10 with no harm

Hijab or Burqua is a personal choice, don’t make it sound bad. Damn.Why a nun can be covered from head to toe in order to devote herself to God But when Muslim women does the same she oppressed

Surely that there is an imbalance in the application of this Judgment . Rape as hiraba is a violent crime that uses sexual intercourse as a weapon. The focus in a hiraba prosecution is the accused rapist and his intent and physical actions, and not second-guessing the consent of the rape victim. Hiraba does not require four witnesses to prove the offense, circumstantial evidence, medical data and expert testimony form the evidence used to prosecute such crimes.

http://www.muslimaccess.com/articles/Women/rape_in_islam.asp

Never heard of it

Prophet Muhammad forgave many infidels who insulted him and tried to killed him. Even the poet of the prophet before his Islam was writing many poetries that insult the prophet and Islam

Read about it carefully

Of course, if sexual relationships are left without control, we will have many generations of unknown lineage

Hell, your religion is full of superstitions and oppression. But it the media which is giving this false religion a boost as it adds some spirituous power in the life of people without becoming an obstacle to their goals .It’s a shame on an educated person who says that nothing wrong with begging with their bowls in hand, or who believe that in their next lives, human beings may be reborn as mice or cattle, and anyone who believes that stone or bronze statues can hear or help .

Rubbish. How can Polytheism be a sin when God is everywhere?

"back ..

Hmmm , I know that this religion is a a nebulous religion and allows for change and you can cherry pick and form your own views and not exactly what Buddha's teaching .
Even Christmas Humpreys, author of the book ‘Buddhism’, says of himself that he studied Buddhism for thirty years and of Buddhism in the world today he knows more than most “The Buddha himself wrote nothing, and none of his teaching was written down for at least four hundred years after his death. We therefore do not know what the Buddha taught, any more than we know what Jesus taught; and today at least four schools, with sub-division in each, proclaim their own view as to what is Buddhism". For this reason this debate is pointless.."

hmm, first you have to take a view. which one is it, are people able to cherry pick and create sumthing that isnt what BUDDHA TAUGHT or is it that no1 knows what buddha taught. stating both at the same time is false as your statement has become self contradictory. christmas humphrey is but one man, who STUDIED buddhism, zen/tibettan buddhism more than any other. his status on what he follows is not completey known, is he a biddhist himself? because otherwise that statement holds nothing solid. there are countless others, more recognised, more respected and whove done more research that have written books contradicting what christmas humphrey CLAIMS to know. and your wrong, the lotus sutras are said to have been written down by buddha himself or in his presence. and we do know what buddha taught, despite the difference in oppinion, all buddhist sects have had, in history, very defining characteristics which they attribute to buddha's dirct teachings. the debate is not pointless as muhammad himself never wrote anything. his companions did, and MUSLIMS claim that it has been noted rightly, despite the fact that all ahadith were verbal/segmentedly noted and people{bohkari, mulim etc} who were as falliable as you or me, went all over the world, and tried to collect as many as possible and of their own accord{human accord} judged which were true or false. reguardless, buddha's teachings have as much validity as muhammad's. and again, you fail to realise that buddhism, neither is, nor claims to be exclusively gautama's relegion. its a philosophy, and the so called NITPICKING, is a dodgy way of describing, what it rightly inspires, personal thinking, interpretation, and flecxibility, to stop it form becoming dogmatic like islam.

"First of all Allah is forgivable, he forgave all sins expect Polytheism beside Islam teaches that it is we ourselves who have to earn our heaven by doing good, as it is not given gratis. Nor does God do the injustice of making an innocent person suffer for your sake while you are having fun .
Allah created human beings and gave them free will. He did not create robots who cannot do anything outside they are program to do. People cannot blame god for their own actions."

he CAN forgive all things other than polytheism. he does so according to his own will and what he FEALS like. which is unfair to a person who by channce misses on the mercy and by no genuine merit of himself. this is stupidity on allah's part. and actually, allah does always do injustice to the majority. their circumstances of birth, relegion/culture/economical/social/physical/spiritual are all judged unequally by allah. many people get, overall, greater amounts of these than others. it is not a perfectly hadicapped race. its a handicapped test, with no purpose, and a completely unequal handicap based on no genuine criteria. and your statement is also contradictory as inplaces in the quran, allah mentions that murder is also inforgivable. the quran is full of contradictions. and the world is testament enough, the past and present have the vast majority of mankind SUFFERING and not happy.
and free will is a whole different discussion in which you have ZERO chances of winning. omniscience and omnipotence, are two things which are present in the islamic god. and two things which UTTERLY rule out free will in humanity, either god is omnipotent/psient and ther is no free wil, or there is a free will and god ISNT all knowing and all powerful. both can not exist simultaneously, that is the most established of logical facts. furthermore, if humanity had free will, then is it just by sheer chance that the sinning mahjority seem to be born in non muslim areas or poorer areas or libertarian areas ALWAYS overall??? i mean if every person really does have a choice than islamically good and bad people should be generally homogenously distributed on earth. another contradiction.

"Were there no punishments for evil, what would discourage us from doing evil things? If God were to treat the evil and the good in the same manner, there would be no justice.Think !"

god has ultimate power. he can do away with good and bad. and also, most of what islam defines as evil{drinking, fornication, gambling, usury, mixing of sexes, homosexuality, not worshipping god,} are anything BUT evil. logically there is more good in a lot of these things than ANY evil. its only dogmatic definition that makes it such. infact it is evil to deny ones sexuality, it causes suffering, frustration and leads to acts like rape etc. not to mention ****ing up your psychology. these are all verifyable facts. inconveniant for mulsims but facts nonetheless. and also, your idea of justice is screwed up. you fail to take into account the unafair distribution of enviornmental stimuli of your so called sins. god is anythign but just.

"When Islam says that those charged with fornication must be seen by four virtuous witnesses, this means that this act of fornication must be so public that it is practically done in the street. Can you imagine seeing this situation in the street? If Islam really wanted to apply this punishment, it would have minimized the number of witnesses or would not have stipulated that they have to be righteous. "

lol. another discrepancy of the quran. you should really think about what your trying to imply here. is fornication OK in islam for it to have such a small likelyhoog of being caught?????? why isnt islam{according to you} iapplying this punishment????? either the act isnt wrong or it is, theres no middle ground. and no, there are many places where it goes on. fornication does not just mean sexual penetration. it can be any explicitly sexual contact. and people have those in the streets at night all the time in nearly half of the world. so there, thats your situation. go to a shady neighbourhood in the bronx at night. furthermore, the witnessed can also testify based on having heard it from the supposed fornicator. this includes close frineds etc who many share their secrets with, there 2 practical scenarios. furthermore, in the world, the law is often used to accuse people{blatantly hsowing its unthhought out short comings in any practical situation. heck men can come up with better laws and more just criteria babe} wrongly. and as long as you have 4 witnessed, the person gets the punishment. REGUARDLESS of verification of sources.

"Above 10 with no harm"

nope, its contested which is right. and people just need rationalisation. first off, without any PERMANENT physical harm. mosy beating, for your information, does little permanent physical harm and HUMOUNGOUS, psychological harm. specialy at that young age. and most high powered punches dont even do PERMANENT physical harm. doesnt mean they cant knock you out or hurt like a *****.

"Hijab or Burqua is a personal choice, don’t make it sound bad. Damn.Why a nun can be covered from head to toe in order to devote herself to God But when Muslim women does the same she oppressed "

it isnt a personal choice. women are brainwashed into thinking it is. furthermore, there is no choice when your ORDERED to cover up including the burqa from allah in the quran/hadith. and how utterly humiliatingly islam makes out women who dont cover up to be. its psychological black mailing and dont pretend it isnt. and nuns are just as bad as muslim women in this place. what gives you the idea that i agree with their ridiculous dress code. they are both equally wrong. nuns are quite oppressed themselves.

"Surely that there is an imbalance in the application of this Judgment . Rape as hiraba is a violent crime that uses sexual intercourse as a weapon. The focus in a hiraba prosecution is the accused rapist and his intent and physical actions, and not second-guessing the consent of the rape victim. Hiraba does not require four witnesses to prove the offense, circumstantial evidence, medical data and expert testimony form the evidence used to prosecute such crimes.

http://www.muslimaccess.com/articles/Women/rape_in_islam.asp"

lol, you ignorantly attribute sworn testimony from abused/broken women as second guessing intent. lol, by that argument ANYTHING is second guessing, intent for murder etc. the judge isnt telepathic you know.

"Never heard of it "

i have. and you can verify it.

"Prophet Muhammad forgave many infidels who insulted him and tried to killed him. Even the poet of the prophet before his Islam was writing many poetries that insult the prophet and Islam"

true. half he forgave, the other half he killed in wars/conquest. or are you not familiar with the incident of the war with the jews and how in the end jewish law was used to kill all male prisoners of war and distribute the female and children as slaves for the muslims.

"Read about it carefully"

i have, would you like to add sumthing i dont already know.

"Of course, if sexual relationships are left without control, we will have many generations of unknown lineage"

lol, nonesense. dna testing takes care of that silly rationalisation. furthermore, simply having UNKNOWN lineage is nowhere near as terrible as the billions whose pshches are warped and damages due to lack of instintcual acts. oh and theres sumthing called BIRTH CONTROL available these days. maybe youve heard of it..............oh YEAH, islam forbids that TOO. reguardless of marriage or not. obviously the world population dying of hunger/thirst/war due to overpopulation isnt as big as sin as DOUBTING that your children might not be fed by god or that the pain of child bearing is pre ordained by god. what a wonderfully LOGICAL RELEGION. 🙄

"Hell, your religion is full of superstitions and oppression. But it the media which is giving this false religion a boost as it adds some spirituous power in the life of people without becoming an obstacle to their goals .It’s a shame on an educated person who says that nothing wrong with begging with their bowls in hand, or who believe that in their next lives, human beings may be reborn as mice or cattle, and anyone who believes that stone or bronze statues can hear or help"

lol. now why do make the mistake of thinking that buddhism is MY relegion????? i dont believe i ever said it did i? anyway, i will reply. superstition?????? puhlease!!!! the only mystical aspects about buddhism is cycle of rebirth and nirvanna. all others are subjective. in reality most dont even point towards things outside this physical universe if you a real understanding of buddhism and not just the misguided criticism of ignorant islamic scholars. again, you seem to have avoided reading my post. BUDDHA said that he would collect alms and beg. doesntmeaan every buddhist has to do it. or ANY buddhist has to do it. its not a teaching i remember reading anywhere, just a part of BUDDHA'S life. you seem incapable of seeing him as anything different than a prophet in islam. his action is not law. or all of it isnt even his teaching. lol, nowhere do i know in buddhism is asking for help from bronze statues, eveer a yteaching. your misguided in your knowledge of buddhism little lady. and to one who finds rebirth as a physically possible/observable ANIMAL so hard. it is surprising youo believe in crap like a perfect heaven, an inhumanly barbaristic hell. an after life. a soul. satan, angels, demons, gog magog. darjaal, god creating earth from clay, hawwah originating from the rib of adam, iblees being cast out for not worhipping a HUMAN, day of judgement, allah, prophets, the flood of noah, etc etc etc. all of these concepts are far more idiotic than rebirth and YOU seem to believe them. its ironic to critisize karma/rebirth as sumthing no EDUCATED MAN can believe when you believe stuff like that.

lol. thats it for now. next time maybe youd wanna stick to one topic and discuss it in detail so i can really elaborate on how wrong/ugly/stupid islam is as a relgion.

oh n btw, im not a buddhist. i might agree with some of what buddha taught but not all of it. its simply philosophy, not relegion. and a potentially good one at that. i was born and raised a strong muslim for my entire life. i was a true believer until 12. after which i found the stupidity it represented and parted ways. still live in the same strongly muslim family and fundamentally muslim country. im probably an agnostic/atheist. consider that before you question my knowledge of practical islam. i DO know what its like and am not simply speaking from a brainwashed westerners perspective who hates islam simply because of the media and knows nothing about the reality of it.

and just for the record, zakir naik is only good at critiquing buddhism/hinduism/christianity/judaism. hes worth crap when trying to defend his own relegion. he just knowns the techniques of word twisting and crowd pleasing with which he goes up against his opponents{who also are silly believers, william campbell n all}. his arguments, on closer inspection are WRAUGHT with illogical premises and arguements. and if you remember correctly, he was also the idiot who justified the taliban's destruction of two giant historical budha statues by saying, "NO WHERE IN BUDDHISM DOES BUDDHA TELL YOU TO MAKE STATUES OF HIM AND WORSHIP HIM. therefore the taliban were actually EDUCATING the buddhists about their own relegion".

and he does lose arguments, they just never make dvd's of it or air it on peace tv or q tv.