Iron Fist vs Wolverine

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No, I'm saying that a peak human could shrug off that attack, so assuming that Wolverine used his powers to aid him is completely fallacious. Try and keep up please.

The advantages Wolverine was "stated" to have were what? Claws. Which he didn't use. Healing factor. Which he didn't use. Enhanced senses. Which afford him no real advantages in a melee exchange. We aren't ignoring dialogue, what we are doing is [b]acknowledging the events as they occurred on the panels, and those events don't support the statement. Pretty f@cking simple.
That isn't a full mount. Google it. 😆

He didn't get up because he was ****ed up. He is still on the ground two pages latter. He couldn't even get up when Wolverine wasn't on top of him. Wolverine had Shang-Chi in a full mount. His head was wedged in between two bars. Wolverine was holding his head in place. He wouldn't have been able to get free. [/B]

you're assuming he wasn't using his healing factor and again wolverine stated and we see shang chi thinking that wolverine enhancements are surprising.

sitting on your opponents chest is not a full mount, in a full mount your legs are straddling your opponent, which is still not what wolverine was doing.

I'm done with this, you change your argument depending on who Wolverine is against, I've heard you say Wolverine is just as much a god as Thor is and now when it benefit Wolverine his attributes are comparable to his.
It's ridiculous.

regardless you've stated that wolverine and shang-chi are of comparable stats, meaning ironfist should completely eclipse him.

Originally posted by King Castle
@ skid Trackz
Marine McMap training sitting on opponent @ 1:30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0phselGcwRY

Marine McMap Black belt exam for instructors, sitting position @ 1:07
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0SB5xlxJIU&feature=related

by the way i was a green belt instructor if that matters to you..
aside from that if you watch MMA you see fighters from time to time sit on their opponent as they pound.

by the way the manuever is called a full mount

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZoeLA8jMx8

Seriously.
Every transition to and from a mounted position involves pressure on your opponents chest.
Armbar from mount, triangle from mount, you name it.

It isn't news here, a man's center of grav is between his shoulders, dur his chest, you control that, you control his position, his power, his movement.

Good lord. 🤨

Originally posted by jinzin
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That's not appeal to authority. Appeal to authority would be something akin to "Wolverine sitting on Chi's chest was a dominant position because Pr said so."

Castle's just informing you of basic grappling knowledge.
Wrestling, Jiu Jitsu, shoot fighting... even basic self defenses, you always learn pressure on the chest of your opponent is an essential tool.

Anyways, let's not complicate the issue more than needs be. Wolverine owned Shang. His healing factor and claws never became a factor in the fight itself.
His senses? Perhaps.

of course, I'm with it though, we'll ignore context in favor of wolverine, I've been here long enough to realize that, my bad.

Originally posted by jinzin
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That's not appeal to authority. Appeal to authority would be something akin to "Wolverine sitting on Chi's chest was a dominant position because Pr said so."

Castle's just informing you of basic grappling knowledge.
Wrestling, Jiu Jitsu, shoot fighting... even basic self defenses, you always learn pressure on the chest of your opponent is an essential tool.

Anyways, let's not complicate the issue more than needs be. Wolverine owned Shang. His healing factor and claws never became a factor in the fight itself.
His senses? Perhaps.

Originally posted by Trackz
it would be fallacious if wolverine hadn't stated he was.

you're assuming he wasn't using his healing factor and again wolverine stated and we see shang chi thinking that wolverine enhancements are surprising.

your delusions know no bounds. But hey keep on going I remember this next time you try to post one of your obscure blade feats.

No, he said Srank was filling you in on BASIC knowledge, which he is.
It's not even appealing to Srank on the matter as he confirmed the same from his own experience.

I can do the same from mine.

Wolverine is sitting in a position that you set up a mounted triangle from. Pressure is on the chest, it's doing it's job.

Originally posted by King Castle
@ skid Trackz
Marine McMap training sitting on opponent @ 1:30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0phselGcwRY

Marine McMap Black belt exam for instructors, sitting position @ 1:07
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0SB5xlxJIU&feature=related

by the way i was a green belt instructor if that matters to you..
aside from that if you watch MMA you see fighters from time to time sit on their opponent as they pound.

by the way the manuever is called a full mount

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZoeLA8jMx8

Originally posted by King Castle
the funny part is in order for me to make a fallacy aappeal of authority, i would have to lack credibility and accredition which i have two forms of both based on my ability to teach and instruct marines in mcmap from green belt and down.. plus my civilian MA TKD instructor card.. 🙄 pfff,,,

just what I was getting at.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
your trying to argue that shang-ci was surpised by two abilities he can't even see?

your delusions know no bounds. But hey keep on going I remember this next time you try to post one of your obscure blade feats.

Originally posted by jinzin
just what I was getting at.

Love how tracks focuses on what wolverine stated, which was more or less stating his powers for the comic reader, but ignores Shang-chi own inner dialogue were he discussing wolverine skill, clearly surprised by it.

so we're ignoring the inherent advantages wolverine has over shang-chi
ignoring what wolverine and shang-chi stated
throwing in our own story and referencing moves Wolverine could've but wasn't doing

all to prove that wolverine>shang-chi

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Originally posted by Trackz
yes deluded by what wolverine stated.

Notice how you ignore shang-chi inner thought bubbles though.

i dont even know how the hell the dominate position logan ended up on even matters for Shang chi. either way it is a comic real physics and MA knowledge is out the window only thing that matters is comic showing.

Originally posted by Trackz
so we're ignoring the inherent advantages wolverine has over shang-chi
ignoring what wolverine and shang-chi stated
throwing in our own story and referencing moves Wolverine could've but wasn't doing

all to prove that wolverine>shang-chi

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again both of which has zero barring on the fight

Ignoring that shang-chi inner bubble were refferring to wolveirne skill and never suggested anything about being physically superior.

hey track why dont we battle zone some time. your so arrogant it be fun to put you in your place.

it would never agree.. most newer members would never dare.

Originally posted by King Castle
i guess i have to steal one or two moves from various styles and get in cage fights with amateur fighters for money to be considered a pro. 🙄

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Ouch.... don't need to be snarky.

Originally posted by Trackz
so we're ignoring the inherent advantages wolverine has over shang-chi
ignoring what wolverine and shang-chi stated
throwing in our own story and referencing moves Wolverine could've but wasn't doing

all to prove that wolverine>shang-chi

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You ARE aware that Shang can EASILY amp up to Spidey levels right?

I think what we're ignoring is the insistance SOME parties may have to Wolverine's claws or healing factor playing any role in the fight... you know... because he didn't use either for the fight. Unless of course you think that sucker kick that Chi hit Logan with was going to take his head off.

Asserting that Wolverine was using his claws, and his healing factor in that fight doesn't really matter to anyone who can properly add 2 and 2 together because we can CLEARLY SEE he wasn't using them. 😕
Insisting that he was all to prove that Wolverine somehow isn't > Shang chi? 😕

ooooook. 🙄

Originally posted by jinzin
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Ouch.... don't need to be snarky.

if it makes you feel any better i hated McMap b/c it taught mismatch of MA to unworthy individuals regardless of them being marines.

Originally posted by Trackz
it would be fallacious if wolverine hadn't stated he was.

you're assuming he wasn't using his healing factor and again wolverine stated and we see shang chi thinking that wolverine enhancements are surprising.

sitting on your opponents chest is not a full mount, in a full mount your legs are straddling your opponent, which is still not what wolverine was doing.

I'm done with this, you change your argument depending on who Wolverine is against, I've heard you say Wolverine is just as much a god as Thor is and now when it benefit Wolverine his attributes are comparable to his.
It's ridiculous.

regardless you've stated that wolverine and shang-chi are of comparable stats, meaning ironfist should completely eclipse him.

Don't be obtuse. What Wolverine "stated" was that Shang-Chi was surprised that Wolverine had a healing factor and enhanced senses. Wolverine never used his healing factor, or enhanced senses in any overt way that would have revealed the existence of those powers to an onlooker. He didn't heal. He didn't use his claws. Whatever benefit his senses afforded him is anyone's guess.

Wolverine kicked at Shang-Chi, and forced his guard with a karate chop. He flipped over him and caught him in a head lock and slammed him into the ground, pinned his head between two bars and mounted him. Where in that fight did Wolverine use his claws, healing factor or enhanced senses? It lasted seconds and he was hit and his claws didn't come out until Shang-Chi was down.

Shang-Chi's stats are comparable to Iron Fists too, he just can't punch as hard because he doesn't have the Iron Fist... which everyone should be aware off.

Research: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_%28grappling%29

In that very issue they stated shang-chi moves as fast as lightning (exaggeration perhaps) but clearly suggesting he was more then mere human physically.