Originally posted by joesha28Wolverine wasnt there to fight and was provoked aside from that. the story was a retcon story that deviated from when they 1st met a hiccup in continuity. i'm not even sure if it should be cannon or was simply one of Marvel's side realities that they been doing.
Well u can't reject the fact that Shang chi showed he was the superior combatant against Logan. Logan cld beat him due to his abilities, like i stated earlier. But in fighting skill. Shang chi is greater.
aside from that it took place decades in the past and not in the present where logan had already mastered whole new list of fighting skills.
Originally posted by Trackz
wolverine stated he was beating shang in the fight cause of his enhancements and mutant powers and shang was surprised by them.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
this is a lie. plain and simply. this never was once stated or suggested. You made this up entirely. I not overly surprised though I am dispointed 🙁
Yet again trying paint people as being dishonest and being wrong about it.
Originally posted by Deadline
The narration specifically stated he was suprisedhttp://img516.imageshack.us/img516/2512/shangchi3eu5.jpg
Hell Wolverine even says he can smell it on him. Wolverine explained that it was the first time he had fought somebody like him.
Oh if you look at the link Wolverine mentions his enhancements as well. Don't let me have to read it out for you.
Originally posted by Deadline
Yet again trying paint people as being dishonest and being wrong about it.Oh if you look at the link Wolverine mentions his enhancements as well. Don't let me have to read it out for you.
He was "surprised" that Wolverine was better than him, it's not like he threw a snake in his face...
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan...read the scan.
this is a lie. plain and simply. this never was once stated or suggested. You made this up entirely. I not overly surprised though I am dispointed 🙁
"surprisesd ain't ya...first time you've squared off against...enhanced animal senses, an acelerated healing factor, and razor sharp bone-claws"
I didn't lie, however to state that it was never stated or suggested? What does that make you?
Originally posted by Trackz
...read the scan.
Look at the panels...
Wolverine got kicked once, and the promptly put Shang-Chi down. His healing factor never came into play, his claws weren't used until the last panel of the "fight," and we can only speculate what part his senses played in his win (but based on his nearly 40 year history, the answer is likely none).
If Cyclops' said "I see you've never fought someone with optic blasts!" and then proceeded to kick the crap out of the guy in h2h without using said optic blasts, it's a fair bet his optic blasts weren't the reason for winning... since he didn't use them... you know just like Wolverine in this example. You don't need Sherlock Holmes level deductive reasoning to see that, you just need to be slightly more intuitive than a Neanderthal.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Look at the panels...Wolverine got kicked once, and the promptly put Shang-Chi down. His healing factor never came into play, his claws weren't used until the last panel of the "fight," and we can only speculate what part his senses played in his win (but based on his nearly 40 year history, the answer is likely none).
If Cyclops' said "I see you've never fought someone with optic blasts!" and then proceeded to kick the crap out of the guy in h2h without using said optic blasts, it's a fair bet his optic blasts weren't the reason for winning... since he didn't use them... you know just like Wolverine in this example. You don't need Sherlock Holmes level deductive reasoning to see that, you just need to be slightly more intuitive than a Neanderthal.
It's a great feat for Wolverine, but to pretend Wolverine beat Shang-Chi because he fights better is plainly ignoring context and dialogue.
Originally posted by srankmissingninyes, Wolverine had pinned him by sitting on his chest as if Shang-Chi wouldn't be able to get out of that. When's the last time you saw someone win a wrestling match by sitting on their opponents chest. Shang stopped fighting because he didn't want a claw through his head.
Shang-Chi was already pinned and the fight was over when the claws came out...
Originally posted by Trackz
Wolverine completely brushed off the kick, meaning either his durability came into play or his healing erased whatever damage the kick did quickly. his enhancements came into play, he was all around stronger and faster than shang-chi, he used the claws to beat shang-chi. shang-chi wasn't surprised by wolverine's level of skill he was surprised that wolverine was focused despite his crazed fighting style. If we ignore what's on panel though of course we can see Wolverine beating Shang-chi just because he fights better. As if Wolverine's enhancement don't matter at all. As if Wolverine couldn't tell ShangChi was surprised by them, despite the fact that's exactly what he said.It's a great feat for Wolverine, but to pretend Wolverine beat Shang-Chi because he fights better is plainly ignoring context and dialogue.
Dude, he got kicked a single time by a peak human, his healing factor didn't come into play.
Shang-Chi rips off heads, dance's between bullets and shrugs of insane amounts of damage. His physically attributes are on par with Wolverine's. Wolverine didn't bowl Shang-Chi over because he is stronger or faster. His healing factor didn't come into play, his senses don't grant him any advantage in melee combat, and his claws didn't come into play until the fight was over.
Wolverine beat Shang-Chi because he was more skilled. Logan threw a wide kick, presumably as a distraction, and then caught Shang-Chi with a karate chop. Wolverine flipped over Shang-Chi, catching Shang in a head lock then swung him over his body and then pinned him between some bars. That was the fight. That IS what happened. Where did his healing factor come into play? Where did his claws come into play? Where did his sense come into play? No where. He owned Shang-Chi with martial technique, the fight was over in a heart beat.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Dude, he got kicked a single time by a peak human, his healing factor didn't come into play.Shang-Chi rips off heads, dance's between bullets and shrugs of insane amounts of damage. His physically attributes are on par with Wolverine's. Wolverine didn't bowl Shang-Chi over because he is stronger or faster. His healing factor didn't come into play, his senses don't grant him any advantage in melee combat, and his claws didn't come into play until the fight was over.
Wolverine beat Shang-Chi because he was more skilled. Logan threw a wide kick, presumably as a distraction, and then caught Shang-Chi with a karate chop. Wolverine flipped over Shang-Chi, catching Shang in a head lock then swung him over his body and then pinned him between some bars. That was the fight. That IS what happened. Where did his healing factor come into play? Where did his claws come into play? Where did his sense come into play? No where. He owned Shang-Chi with martial technique, the fight was over in a heart beat.
first "lol" at how much your first two sentences contradict each other.
unless you're saying Wolverine is peak human?
Shang-Chis legs and arms were completely free, of course sitting on someones chest is the ultimate wrestling move
Originally posted by Trackz
first "lol" at how much your first two sentences contradict each other.unless you're saying Wolverine is peak human?
Shang-Chis legs and arms were completely free, of course sitting on someones chest is the ultimate wrestling move
Wolverine is only slightly superhuman, the gab between him and peak human, isn't insurmountable - especially one that can chi amp.
You've never seen a ground and pound before? That's how it's done. I guess you don't watch MMA. Shang-Chi was finished the moment he was smashed into the ground. Wolverine even let him go completely when Storm blasted with lightning, and Shang-Chi couldn't even get to his feet, Wolverine just pushed him back down then Cannonball had to pull the two apart.
If I could throw in my 2 cents as someone who is impartial from the scan that was posted, I wouldn't 100% agree with either statement that Logan won because he was more skilled or that he won because of his enhancements.
I would say that due to Logan's appearance Shang Chi was surprised by Logan's level of skill, he even stated as much on panel and that when you have an opponent on Logan's level then that split second of surprise is all that is needed.
Of course I assume there is a previous page that may contradict that but I'm just commenting on what I see.
