Iron Fist vs Wolverine · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Grimm22 King of the Castle

Iron Fist is basically the Green Lantern of Street Levelers

He is never shown exhibiting his real power levels except in his own book

Iron Fist 8-9/10

jinzin Senior Member

oooooh grimm thinks Logan loses, go figure. 🙄

long pig Restricted

I'm a big Wolvie fan, but I still think he loses.

Honestly, although I use the same logic in arguments sometimes, I don't really care if they've fought before and who won. I don't care. When two heroes fight, it's never fair, never written based on feats and never truly a bloodlusted fight. So I simply use feats.

IF's speed, strength, skill and power feats uterally destroy Wolverine's. He's superior.

braz I'm an agent of chaos...

Originally posted by jinzin
sure, just look at half of his speedfeats.. he's no sloutch.

Oh okay, see I kinda thought he was since hes never been shown to time bullets, which of course wouldnt be necessary I guess because of his HF, but it'd help.

jasonk3 Restricted

Originally posted by braz
Oh okay, see I kinda thought he was since hes never been shown to time bullets, which of course wouldnt be necessary I guess because of his HF, but it'd help.

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juggernaut74 Bigsexy

Have these two had a fight before? I was thinking they have.

braz I'm an agent of chaos...

Originally posted by jasonk3
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So what? Yeah, Ive read it, I own it actually. He just evaded gunfire, whoopie. He never actually dodged a bullet after it was shot like Daredevil and others.

srankmissingnin VP of Comic Knowledge

Originally posted by braz
So what? Yeah, Ive read it, I own it actually. He just evaded gunfire, whoopie. He never actually dodged a bullet after it was shot like Daredevil and others.

Wolverine rarely dodges bullets to begin with so an author and penciler aren't likely to waste panel space with an ability that isn't vital to either the character or the story... but he has unsheathed his claws and stabbed them into the barrel of a gun after the trigger was pulled but before the bullet left the chamber.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by long pig
I'm a big Wolvie fan, but I still think he loses.
Honestly, although I use the same logic in arguments sometimes, I don't really care if they've fought before and who won. I don't care. When two heroes fight, it's never fair, never written based on feats and never truly a bloodlusted fight. So I simply use feats.
IF's speed,

isn't faster than Logan's.. as in.. at all.. They have produced the same damned feats and in Logan's case his even stand out to me as more impressive, lest you bring something truly dumbfounding to the table.

Originally posted by long pig
strength,

Isn't even half of Logan's much less enough for his strength to even be a factor in this fight. Wolverine doesn't even notice super strength until you start approaching the class 20 to 30 region.

Originally posted by long pig
skill

This is the ONLY thing that Iron Fist probably has over Wolverine, and that's only because he really doesn't have anything else to fall back on, where as Wolverine has a number of things, including his claws, bones and HF, he doesn't have to fight to the best of his skill to beat other super powered people, Iron Fist, well obviously.

In terms of their skill though from the feats that Logan has produced I don't see Danny having much of an advantage if any.

Originally posted by long pig
and power

The only thing I can figure you're talking about here is his Iron Fist feats, because in terms of brute power Wolverine's hurt Thing, Warpath, Roughouse, Rogue, and Hulk WITHOUT the use of his claws.

And if you are referencing his IF so what? Wolverine doesn't have the IF, that's like saying Wolverine's feats of Durability, Healing, Enhanced Senses, and Cutting Shit Up DWARF Iron Fist's. lol.

Originally posted by long pig
feats uterally destroy Wolverine's. He's superior.

No they don't, no he's not; as in.... at all.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by braz
Oh okay, see I kinda thought he was since hes never been shown to time bullets, which of course wouldnt be necessary I guess because of his HF, but it'd help.

Never shown to time bullets?

If you're refering to his ability to dodge bullets, he does have his fair share of bullet dodging feats, he's casually ran around and through automatic gunfire on nearly a dozen occasions off the top of my head.

If you're reffering to him moving in "bullet time" then he's been seen looking at bullets as they pass him by, described as watching them go past him in slow motion, and has even batted some rocket powered projectiles out of the air, in a crossover he's caught a bullet.

In terms of fighting speed he's moved faster than the eye can see on about half a dozen occasions, he's moved faster than telepaths can register about 4 times, and he's speedblitzed an apache hellicopter so fast that it's targeting system couldn't get a lock on him.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Have these two had a fight before? I was thinking they have.

Yes they have, Iron fist fought against classic Wolverine. I believe both men were weakened at the time, Iron Fist did do better as he was tossing Logan around, but Logan's attitude and diolague suggest he wasn't taking it very seriously. Iron Fist didn't win but he did look superior.

The only other time they have fought was in a What If, and Logan was about to kill him before Luke cage came to his rescue.

Other than that, Wolverine fought a martial artist who was Iron Fists superior, handily beating danny twice, and then stole the power of the Iron Fist from him, the man also one shotted Luke Cage I think, but Wolverine nearly killed him.

braz I'm an agent of chaos...

Originally posted by jinzin
Never shown to time bullets?
If you're refering to his ability to dodge bullets, he does have his fair share of bullet dodging feats, he's casually ran around and through automatic gunfire on nearly a dozen occasions off the top of my head.
If you're reffering to him moving in "bullet time" then he's been seen looking at bullets as they pass him by, described as watching them go past him in slow motion, and has even batted some rocket powered projectiles out of the air, in a crossover he's caught a bullet.
In terms of fighting speed he's moved faster than the eye can see on about half a dozen occasions, he's moved faster than telepaths can register about 4 times, and he's speedblitzed an apache hellicopter so fast that it's targeting system couldn't get a lock on him.

😐

jinzin Senior Member

uhhh what? 😕

srankmissingnin VP of Comic Knowledge

Originally posted by jinzin
Yes they have, Iron fist fought against classic Wolverine. I believe both men were weakened at the time, Iron Fist did do better as he was tossing Logan around, but Logan's attitude and diolague suggest he wasn't taking it very seriously. Iron Fist didn't win but he did look superior.

Also Wolverine was wearing the costume he stole from Fang so it isn't a stretch to believe he wasn't in the best shape. Continuity wise in the issue prior to Iron Fist 15 Wolverine was being carried around by Nightcrawler after he was literally knocked into orbit... and remember at this point it wasn't established that he had a healing factor yet (that happened years later).

jinzin Senior Member

Yeah that's exactly the line of thought I was implying.

Daredevil1 Senior Member

Originally posted by long pig
So I simply use feats.
IF's speed, strength, skill and power feats uterally destroy Wolverine's. He's superior.

But your not using feats, his strength feats destroy Logans strength feats? Doubtfull.

Speed might have a small edge, skill small edge as well but Danny's hot headed and has made mistakes in battles with Sue, Batroc, Shang, and Daredevil. And fight feats are "feats".

Lets face it Logan's no slouch in skill as well. Power energy wise yeah but with Logan's insane healing and claws that can kill him easily with unbreakable bones. Yeah to say he's superior is to not go by feats.

Now mabey once Danny's new power up starts really showcasing his abilities then your probably right.

Daredevil1 Senior Member

Originally posted by jinzin
Yes they have, Iron fist fought against classic Wolverine. I believe both men were weakened at the time, Iron Fist did do better as he was tossing Logan around, but Logan's attitude and diolague suggest he wasn't taking it very seriously. Iron Fist didn't win but he did look superior.

He had the upperhand against a Logan in hth. Superior I doubt it since in that fight Danny's hits were not even hurting Logan at all. He was just avoiding him him as Danny admitted he couldn't do it forever thats for sure.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Daredevil1
But your not using feats, his strength feats destroy Logans strength feats? Doubtfull.

His strength feats don't even come close to Logans.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Speed might have a small edge, skill small edge as well but Danny's hot headed and has made mistakes in battles with Sue, Batroc, Shang, and Daredevil. And fight feats are "feats".

He has no edge, in speed. at all.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Lets face it Logan's no slouch in skill as well. Power energy wise yeah but with Logan's insane healing and claws that can kill him easily with unbreakable bones. Yeah to say he's superior is to not go by feats.
Now mabey once Danny's new power up starts really showcasing his abilities then your probably right.

MAYBE being the optimal word.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Daredevil1
He had the upperhand against a Logan in hth. Superior I doubt it since in that fight Danny's hits were not even hurting Logan at all. He was just avoiding him him as Danny admitted he couldn't do it forever thats for sure.

don't you think having the upper hand IS being superior?

I agree that Logan would have beaten IF ahd the fight persisted but it didn't

long pig Restricted

Originally posted by jinzin
His strength feats don't even come close to Logans.
He has no edge, in speed. at all.
MAYBE being the optimal word.

Have you ever seen Wolverine punch a giant war ship in half? IF can and has done, occasionally, near 80 or so ton strength feats like that. He's stopped a speeding bus with a single punch with that damn fist. He broke vibranium . Destroyed it, actually. Logan can't even cut vibranium, much less destroy it.

His speed feats are awesome, where Logan has....maybe two, and I honestly do mean two, actual speed feats, IF has hundreds. Here recently....well, recently for me in 98, in HFH, he was speeding around running through, dodging and slapping away machine gun fire while charging up a IF punch while carrying a little girl while having a broken leg.

His skill is good, I won't say much better than Wolverine's but not because Wolvie has shown skill, but because Marvel says he has it. But, it's safe to say he's VERY much more skilled in at least one fighting style. Which, if you actually believe wolverine knows every style ever created in the billions of years Earth has been around, it won't sound like a lot....but who actually believes that? **** you Marvel, he hasn't shown it. Neither has Champion.

As for Wolverine not feeling punches unless they're above class 30? Uh, when? When has he ever shrugged off a punch unless it's totally skill-less? I've seen him one shotted by peak humans who only have skill, yet they match him and take him out. IF hits like a 50 tonner and has skills out the ass to back it up.