Iron Fist vs Wolverine

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Originally posted by srankmissingnin

Frankencastle couldn't even put down Daken with traps prep, a subway car, and a large assortment of weaponry.

He wanted Daken to suffer.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

Him even slowing down Wolverine - who heals faster then Daken and has an Adamantium skeleton - is PIS. We were never told what the powers of the future Young Avengers were, so it is conceivable that James Rogers has an ability that would validate him being able to ko Wolverine, but if he is the same character as the tv show then that - like every other feat you have cited - is PIS.

Whatever Punisher has stunned Wolverine before coming Frankencastle.

Originally posted by cdtm
Probably a lot, but how many times has he resisted getting KOed against someone that could match or exeed his speed and use pressure point attacks combined with the fist (Bearing in mind he could KO bricks using weak point strikes alone).

No one's saying Danny wins this in one attack (Except Mindset 😄), they're just saying he wins.

Wolverine is functionally immune to pressure points, and between himself and Iron Fist, Logan is the only who has every demonstrated the ability to use pressure points successfully against a top tier martial artist.

. aw to hell with it.

Danny Rand beat plenty of top tier martial artists using pressure points of pure skill..

Steel Serpent is one of his best examples. He didn't even have the Iron Fist at the time, and Steel Serpent did. SS charges up his IF, fails to hit Danny with it, and falls to a series of crippling attacks that break bones and attack nerves.

And keep in mind, SS was taking blows from Spider Man without being affected, and SS claimed Spidey hit harder than anyone he's ever fought before, which included Danny. Meaning, Danny did more damage than Spidey despite having lesser strength, thanks to his technique.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine is functionally immune to pressure points, and between himself and Iron Fist, Logan is the only who has every demonstrated the ability to use pressure points successfully against a top tier martial artist.

Just pressure points from inferior martial artists, Daredevil level and above pressure-point the sh_t out of Logan.

Originally posted by Deadline
He wanted Daken to suffer.

Whatever Punisher has stunned Wolverine before coming Frankencastle.

Frank was trying to take Daken down with any means necessary, he just couldn't do it because he had nothing that could put him down. Frakencastle was able to put down Wayverine, because Daniel Way is a smuck who couldn't write his way out of a paper bag.

Originally posted by Bentley
Just pressure points from inferior martial artists, Daredevil level and above pressure-point the sh_t out of Logan.

Daredevil never pressure pointed Wolverine. He crushed his wind pipe, and that only hindered him because that was written by Ennis. 😉

Was he writing DD, or did this happen in a Punisher book?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Frank was trying to take Daken down with any means necessary, he just couldn't do it because he had nothing that could put him down. Frakencastle was able to put down Wayverine, because Daniel Way is a smuck who couldn't write his way out of a paper bag.
I'lll get to your other post later, but this isn't true. FrankenCastle's endgame was to kill Daken by burying him in concrete. Frankencastle was shown to be straight superior to Daken in all types of combat...hell he snapped daken's arms like twigs.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Thunderstrike and Brunhilda also get hit but they are both class 100.

Wonderman was using his full strength. He was pissed at Wolverine, and right after the attack he was stated as having Sentry class strength.

The difference between Wolverine taking hits from class 100 and Spider-man, Cap and the street level brigade doing it is that Wolverine has been expressively stated to be taking his opponents strongest blows in stride many times. The first time he trained with Colossus he was stated to be hit with his strongest blow and Wolverine merely shrugged it off. Alternatively there are dozens and dozens of examples of guys like Cap / Spider-man / DD / Punisher saying "I rolled with it at the last second! If that had connected cleanly I' d be a dead/finished/a smudge." Wolverine doesn't have that reasoning for his feats, he does it because he is innately capable of doing it. He hits the punches of his enemies full on with a smile on his face, and unlike the characters you mentioned who have rare examples of taking hits from high tier bricks, Wolverine does it all the time. We aren't "assuming that Wolverine is taking class 100 blows," we know he is... because we've been told... hundreds of times.

Frankencastle couldn't even put down Daken with traps prep, a subway car, and a large assortment of weaponry. Him even slowing down Wolverine - who heals faster then Daken and has an Adamantium skeleton - is PIS. We were never told what the powers of the future Young Avengers were, so it is conceivable that James Rogers has an ability that would validate him being able to ko Wolverine, but if he is the same character as the tv show then that - like every other feat you have cited - is PIS.

a tail swipe is the class 100 blow? that's pushing it, it didn't phase anyone it hit either.

We've seen Wonderman pissed off, when he hit Wolverine he wasn't using his full strength. Saying he has sentry level strength doesn't mean he was using it especially since we've seen Sentry make short work of Logan.

We know banner wasn't using his strongest blows against Wolverine, we've seen recently what his strongest punches are like. We've seen Punisher knocked into the air by punches that should kill him but didn't. We've seen T'Challa and Cap blasted by punches and sent soaring and getting up perfectly fine (Hasn't punisher been knocked around by sentry too?) How do we know Wolverine doesn't roll with punches. It would make sense to not overtax his healing factor against stronger opponents. You keep citing all of these dubious examples of Wolverine taking high class hits but really they're pretty run of the mill feats. I'd believe you if you could cite more examples of more class 100 characters stating they're hitting him with their fiercest blows, since you said there are hundreds of them.

Frankencastle was EASILY taking on Daken, his end game was to kill Daken, not to beat him short term. He was about to KILL Daken when Wolverine interfered. Rapid hits to his cranium in succession from Frankencastle who's maybe class ten is definitely a feasible way to knock him out. The same can be said for Ironfist.

Originally posted by Trackz
I'lll get to your other post later, but this isn't true. FrankenCastle's endgame was to kill Daken by burying him in concrete. Frankencastle was shown to be straight superior to Daken in all types of combat...hell he snapped daken's arms like twigs.

That wasn't his end game it was merely another one in the a long list of contingencies he had set up for the fight with Daken. Daken tanked getting hit by a subway train in that fight. Frankecastle, had nothing to offer physically against Daken.

Originally posted by Trackz
a tail swipe is the class 100 blow? that's pushing it, it didn't phase anyone it hit either.

We've seen Wonderman pissed off, when he hit Wolverine he wasn't using his full strength. Saying he has sentry level strength doesn't mean he was using it especially since we've seen Sentry make short work of Logan.

We know banner wasn't using his strongest blows against Wolverine, we've seen recently what his strongest punches are like. We've seen Punisher knocked into the air by punches that should kill him but didn't. We've seen T'Challa and Cap blasted by punches and sent soaring and getting up perfectly fine (Hasn't punisher been knocked around by sentry too?) How do we know Wolverine doesn't roll with punches. It would make sense to not overtax his healing factor against stronger opponents. You keep citing all of these dubious examples of Wolverine taking high class hits but really they're pretty run of the mill feats. I'd believe you if you could cite more examples of more class 100 characters stating they're hitting him with their fiercest blows, since you said there are hundreds of them.

Frankencastle was EASILY taking on Daken, his end game was to kill Daken, not to beat him short term. He was about to KILL Daken when Wolverine interfered. Rapid hits to his cranium in succession from Frankencastle who's maybe class ten is definitely a feasible way to knock him out. The same can be said for Ironfist.

Magog's tail is weaker the rest of his body. dur Come on buddy.

He was using his full strength. Wolverine was insulting him, threatening to kill a woman he loves, and immediately after that Cap asked if Wolverine was okay because Wonderman has "Sentry level strength." Read between the lines.

Because unlike Cap, Punisher and Panther, where we have been explicable told that they survive by rolling with punches, that has never been said about Wolverine outside of his first appearance where he lacked a healing factor, and further more Wolverine has been emphatically stated to be taking the punches full punches of top tier bricks in stride.

A dozen direct hay-makers from a class 20 Spider-man barely phased Wolverine 25 years ago when he is healing factor was much weaker then it is now. The only reason Franken-castle koing him was "feasible" was because it wasn't Wolverine in that issue, it was third rate Wayverine.

Originally posted by Trackz
I can't speak on all of them.

In the case of Magog, it was a tail swipe no?


And why does that matter? It still class 100 hit.

Originally posted by Trackz

He also wasnt the only one hit.


And again why does this matter? He still getting hit with 100 ton force.

Originally posted by Trackz

Wonder Man wasn't using his upper level strength.

Honestly as usual ur attempts to down play event regarding wolverine is astounding.

It was painfully clear that Wonder man was not holding back, the fact you even try to argue he was beyond laughable. The incident alone leading up to the punch made it clear Wonderman was not pulling punches, the punch it self made it even more clear, but even if your comprehension was unable to grasp that, they even dumb it down enough so any fool could see he was not holding back, when they had Capt state “are u ok wolverine, that was a Sentry level attack.”

Originally posted by Trackz

Not every hit by a class 100 character is using their full strength, especially when we've seen characters like Sentry put him down easily.

Another awful example by you. Yes lets level out the context of that event, and pretend that some how proves your point despite the fact it goes quite against it. Wolverine has just had his throat chain sawed mere seconds before his fight with Sentry. Then we have Sentry stating, “ive read your files, I know your immortal” clearly implying he did not need to hold back against Wolverine. Then on top of that Wolverine states “he hits like Galactus”. And it still took more then a single attack to put Wolverine down and that was when Sentry was being potrayed as Marvel superman.

Originally posted by Trackz

We've seen characters like Spiderman and Captain America take class 100 hits too...but no one really argues that they are capable of that level durability.


Taking one or two shots on very nonconsistence basis, is not remotely comparable to taking multiable direct shots in countless battles with class 100’s. As usual your reaching.

Originally posted by Trackz

Anyway, Wolverine can take some high level punches, but characters like James Rogers and FrankenCastle put him down with his in quick/rapid succesion. Three solid hits from Ironfist could end this.


So were suppose to base Wolverine at his minority showings, while IF at his best? You make me laugh with your shitastic arguments.

Not to mention ever single character with Wolverien including Iron Man, was taken out from less then Wolverine

Originally posted by Trackz

My main point is, when class 100 characters nail more human characters (like captain america, black panther, punisher, and others) we assume they're holding back, but when they hit Wolverine we always assume they're using their full strength. That shouldn't be the case.


Yes it should be. Those characters are not Wolverine, there not remotely close to Wolverine in any way shape or form when it comes to damage soak. They don’t posses remotely the same feats nor the consistency of them. Your trying to argue because Apple a fruit that means it interchangeable with an Orange, it not. Your argument get more pathetic as the years go on.

Originally posted by cdtm
Danny Rand beat plenty of top tier martial artists using pressure points of pure skill..

prove it. List one time Danny has taken a establish top tier down with a pressure point attack

Originally posted by cdtm
Steel Serpent is one of his best examples. He didn't even have the Iron Fist at the time, and Steel Serpent did. SS charges up his IF, fails to hit Danny with it, and falls to a series of crippling attacks that break bones and attack nerves.

except for the fact Steel Serpent is not top tier, and never has been.

Originally posted by cdtm
Was he writing DD, or did this happen in a Punisher book?

Punisher book, it was one of the worst things ive ever read. Wolverine drank acid with out realizing it. DD, Wolverine and Spiderman were some how unable to Locate punisher from 20 feet away, yet they were tracking him.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan

except for the fact Steel Serpent is not top tier, and never has been.

lol.

Originally posted by cdtm
lol.

not sure why your laughing, because it is very true.

Sure, Danny Rand claiming Shang Chai is the only guy he fought who's more skilled means nothing. What does he know about martial arts anyways?

Not like Steel Serpent has feats of making Spidey run like a little girl and eventually knocking him out, or holding off both Danny and Spidey at the same time.

Originally posted by cdtm
Sure, Danny Rand claiming Shang Chai is the only guy he fought who's more skilled means nothing.

What does this have to do with anything?

Originally posted by cdtm

Not like Steel Serpent has feats of making Spidey run like a little girl

title and issue number.

Originally posted by cdtm

and eventually knocking him out,

So did Silver Samurai you know the same character you said was not skilled at all?

Originally posted by cdtm
or holding off both Danny and Spidey at the same time.

Silver Samurai fended off both Shang-chi and Spiderman at the same time, again you said that character was not skilled or anything impressive. but we should make Davos top tier for doing pretty much the same thing?

funny no?

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
What does this have to do with anything?

Aside from one of the top five martial artists in the MU claiming someone he's fought multiple times is only a little less skilled than one of the other top five martial artists in the MU, absolutely nothing.

Originally posted by cdtm
Aside from one of the top five martial artists in the MU claiming someone he's fought multiple times is only a little less skilled than one of the other top five martial artists in the MU, absolutely nothing.

Your not being very clear at all. The way it read was you saying Danny admitted Shang-chi was more skilled then him.

But now I see you ment that Danny said Shang-chi is the only person he fought more skilled then Davos. For starters we need actual reverence to when the event took place. You just stating Danny said that once, means nothing, because we have no basis for who he had foughten prior to the statement.

also based off your craptastic logic, SS, cross bones, King Pin, Morik, bullseye ect would all be consider top tier fighters.