Originally posted by Marvelknight
SL Daredevil didn't ko him. Wolverine was trapped under tons of debris after landing into and breaking one of the structural pillars, and wasn't able to get out until Spider-Man helped him at the end of everything.WWH didn't ok Wolverine... He battle field removed him.
logan was on the ground while the hulk had moved on to the other x-men...hell Xavier says wolverine hadn't fully healed from the beating he got.
hell look at the scans, he's barely conscious, if at all, while he's being picked up, then in the second scan you posted he's still unable to walk unaided.
since when is wolverine too weak to move stone pillars...he carried a piano up a water fall.
Originally posted by Trackz
logan was on the ground while the hulk had moved on to the other x-men...hell Xavier says wolverine hadn't fully healed from the beating he got.hell look at the scans, he's barely conscious, if at all, while he's being picked up, then in the second scan you posted he's still unable to walk unaided.
since when is wolverine too weak to move stone pillars...he carried a piano up a water fall.
He was pretty f#@%ed up and just needed time. I wouldn't call that a ko. Even if it was. Calling it easy is an understatement.
Originally posted by Trackz
most people who get ko'd just need time unless the brain trauma is grave. It was pretty easy, Hulk picked him up and wailed on him.
How many street levelers can take that many hits? Wasn't easy considering it took that many blows. WWH strength is far, far away from Wolverine. But it took several hits to down Wolverine. Easy is when it only takes one hit. Wolverine wasn't KOed by the first hit. Plus Wolverine was still trying to get up but was still recovering. That's not a KO. It's a knock down.
Originally posted by MarvelknightYou don't actually know how many hits it took to put down Logan because Hulk just kept unloading. WOlverine HAS been put down by much weaker individuals, Frankencastle and Romulus for example.
How many street levelers can take that many hits? Wasn't easy considering it took that many blows. WWH strength is far, far away from Wolverine. But it took several hits to down Wolverine. Easy is when it only takes one hit. Wolverine wasn't KOed by the first hit. Plus Wolverine was still trying to get up but was still recovering. That's not a KO. It's a knock down.
Wolverine was not trying to get up, the mutant (Madrox?) was lifting him up, Wolverine's body is very limp and he's not reacting. Wolverine was still in that state by the time all the rest of the mutants engaged. He was down, it's not really debatable.
Originally posted by Trackz
You don't actually know how many hits it took to put down Logan because Hulk just kept unloading. WOlverine HAS been put down by much weaker individuals, Frankencastle and Romulus for example.Wolverine was not trying to get up, the mutant (Madrox?) was lifting him up, Wolverine's body is very limp and he's not reacting. Wolverine was still in that state by the time all the rest of the mutants engaged. He was down, it's not really debatable.
I know he was down. But it took more than one blow. That's not debatable since WWH whacked Wolverine into the trees and Wolverine got right back on the attack. That's before WWH grabs him.
Low showings does not count as evidence. Wolverine has taken blows from opponents like Hulk countless times, and is considered the norm. Unless Wolverine' HF is taxed or he's isn't at least 80%, Wolverine will not be put down by Iron Fist.
Romulus knocked wolverine out by throwing a sword at his head... : Wayverine
FrankenCastle just smashed his head into a wall a couple of times.: Wayverine
WWH DID ko him, easily. : Wolverine wasn't koed
As did Namor. : After Wolverine's regenerated from a skeleton fighting Nitro moments earlier
Red Hulk tossed him a couple of miles as did Skaar. : Never koed Wolverine
Romulus's henchman (can't remember the name) KO'd Wolverine several times. : Wayverine
Shadowland Daredevil one-shotted him I'm pretty sure. : Wasn't koed, he was trapped under rubble
Originally posted by Trackz
Romulus knocked wolverine out by throwing a sword at his head...
FrankenCastle just smashed his head into a wall a couple of times.
WWH DID ko him, easily.
As did Namor.
Red Hulk tossed him a couple of miles as did Skaar.
Romulus's henchman (can't remember the name) KO'd Wolverine several times.
Shadowland Daredevil one-shotted him I'm pretty sure.
you've invalidated most of your post by not geting your facts correct. logan's capacity to resist KOs from class 100+ is, without question, the rule & NOT the exception. if below class 100+ characters are able to KO him on the rare occassion.... it can (without question) be directly atrributed to luck or PIS.
also, who cares if red hulk & skaar tossed him a couple miles away? what relevance does that have in this discussion?
Originally posted by wildernesss
you've invalidated most of your post by not geting your facts correct.
So that stuff never happened? Do tell.
logan's capacity to resist KOs from class 100+ is, without question, the rule & NOT the exception. if below class 100+ characters are able to KO him on the rare occassion.... it can (without question) be directly atrributed to luck or PIS.also, who cares if red hulk & skaar tossed him a couple miles away? what relevance does that have in this discussion?
Nice debunking job. Very detailed deconstruction on his facts, too. /sarcasm
Originally posted by cdtm
So that stuff never happened? Do tell.Nice debunking job. Very detailed deconstruction on his facts, too. /sarcasm
refer to the post above my previous post. WWH didn't KO logan. SL
daredevil didn't KO logan. red hulk/skaar didn't KO logan. sub-mariner has failed to KO logan on every occassion outside of that incident, which was a result of logan's healing factor being overloaded. the rest of those examples can be attributed to PIS & are the exception. you can't have a character who has a history of resisting KOs from class 100+ characters like WWH (who was absolutely pulvering him without a KO) and regard a KO from a sword handle thrown at him as anything other than PIS.
a "nice debunking job" isn't warranted when most of "his facts" aren't facts; facts need to be true in order to be facts.
Originally posted by Mindset
Still no defense for this, I see.
Do you have any scans of him performing this? I highly doubt it.
TBH you don't have a point to defend against. That's a stupid move to begin with, that Danny would never pull off on Wolverine in the fist place.
WWH pretty much destroyed his brain with all of those massive blows to the head. But it didn't stop Wolverine from trying to fight back. The man' will is very, very strong. Wolverine has gone through things no normal man ever could and survive for decades.
And No superhero in Marvel Earth is more active than Logan. The man's on three superhero teams, Everyday he's in some kind of conflict
Why is it so hard to accept Iron Fist losing? It's Wolverine, so it doesn't hurt Danny as a character in anyway. Most street levelers wouldn't take Wolverine one on one.
Originally posted by MarvelknightWolverine was hanging down WWH's hand like a dead fish.
WWH pretty much destroyed his brain with all of those massive blows to the head. But it didn't stop Wolverine from trying to fight back. The man' will is very, very strong. Wolverine has gone through things no normal man ever could and survive for decades.
Originally posted by MarvelknightSpider-Man, not that this is relevant in any way.
And No superhero in Marvel Earth is more active than Logan. The man's on three superhero teams, Everyday he's in some kind of conflict
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Wolverine was hanging down WWH's hand like a dead fish.Spider-Man, not that this is relevant in any way.
Iron Fist isn't WWH in anyway.. So what relevance does this post have? None at all....
Btw Spider-Man is not more active then Wolverine. The point of me bringing that up is to show that Wolverine is constantly in battle from thugs to super powered beings on a weekly basics. And he takes on foes who's striking power ellipses Iron Fist'.
Bottom line.
Firelord' blast>>>>>>>> Iron Fist' chi blast.
WWH striking power >>>>>>>>>>>> Iron Fist' striking power.
And what about Junzo?
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Wolverine's not more skilled, they say... Sure
Originally posted by MarvelknightHe also gets knocked out by less just to keep that in mind, label it as PIS if you want but it happens and recently it happened relatively often.
Iron Fist isn't WWH in anyway.. So what relevance does this post have? None at all....Btw Spider-Man is not more active then Wolverine. The point of me bringing that up is to show that Wolverine is constantly in battle from thugs to super powered beings on a weekly basics. And he takes on foes who's striking power ellipses Iron Fist'.
And Spider-man is pretty even on fighting crime activities.
EDIT: As for WWH you said he kept going actually all that happened was that Wolverine got swatted away and then got knocked the **** out, at least I see it this way.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
He also gets knocked out by less just to keep that in mind, label it as PIS if you want but it happens and recently it happened relatively often.And Spider-man is pretty even on fighting crime activities.
EDIT: As for WWH you said he kept going actually all that happened was that Wolverine got swatted away and then got knocked the **** out, at least I see it this way.
You do not understand what the norm is. But it's not your fault. In stories like lord of the rings or Harry Potter, there is one writer. The problem is that comics have different writers writing for the same character and they don't fully understand or too lazy to research the history of the character. And that's why there is PIS. It's not something to label as an excuse. That's what it is.
Originally posted by wildernesssactually all of my facts are correct, he doesn't resist class 100 hits normally, I listed a couple of character under class 100 strength who have KO'd him, and I can't believe people are trying to argue Wolverine wasn't ko'd by Hulk. He was dropped to the ground where he remained until the rest of the x-men engaged hulk and madrox attempted to get Wolverine to his feet (and still barely responding). It's PIS if it's the norm for Wolverine to tank class 100 hits (which it's not)
you've invalidated most of your post by not geting your facts correct. logan's capacity to resist KOs from class 100+ is, without question, the rule & NOT the exception. if below class 100+ characters are able to KO him on the rare occassion.... it can (without question) be directly atrributed to luck or PIS.also, who cares if red hulk & skaar tossed him a couple miles away? what relevance does that have in this discussion?
James Roger KO'd him with a quick shield bash/kick combination (Captain America's adolescent son from an alternate reality)
