Originally posted by Desaad
No offense, sir, but I suspect I've read many more appearances of Darkseid than...well, anyone on this board! I own his every appearance, cameos included.I love the character, I really do, but in terms of combat feats...I don't think I've ever seen him take on six verifiable top tiers and win, save for the Great Darkness Saga.
Originally posted by Desaad
That certainly didn't seem to help him against the subtle manipulations of Moondragon.Or the Goddess, for that matter.
I don't believe he's ever faced many telepaths, but I also haven't ever seen him show telepathy to any great extent. He needed Moodragon to get him into the mind-scape of the Great One.
Superman has variable telepathy defense. The only thing we are sure of is that John Stewart has a superior defense, of course.
Was it Moondragon with the mind gem? Because Thor has resisted a Tp attack that took MD out. However if Thor doesn't use his Tp defenses, than it's CIS on his part.
You speak as if seeking the Aid of MD is a bad thing. She's an ubber lv TP.
Ok.
Originally posted by Desaad
Not enough said.We know none of the specifics, of the way their interaction went, or their power level, etc.
I want something analogous to this. Just normal, every day top tiers. 6 of 'em, any 6 will do.
I have to find the book, but wasn't it Jove, Zeus, Highfather, ares, and odin into one being. I forget half of the shit I read. To me that counts. And His Gods are Top tier correct? He did pwn Firestorm and Orion with a wave of a hand. Two top tiers. So what's the difference in a wave of a hand, a mental domination and an OE and the fight is over.
Originally posted by The Problem
His pantheon feat is irrelevant as he formed a army to do so and was never shown in a battle with any significant foes.
The Legion is Top tiers and then some. Prodengy or how ever you spell it could beat these 6 alone. and DS pwned him supercharged with Lightning lads powers.
Originally posted by The Problem
[B]Was it Moondragon with the mind gem? Because Thor has resisted a Tp attack that took MD out. However if Thor doesn't use his Tp defenses, than it's CIS on his part.
No, it wasn't Moodragon with the Mind Gem. This is before that whole nonsense was introduced. Moondragon had subtly taken over the planet of Ba Banis, influencing some of the higher level officers and people of the planet with her TP.
The Avengers, when called by Drax, came to stop her and she took Thor over and tried to have the others killed. She used all of her mental powers when she killed Drax - her own father - and was defeated by the Avengers.
But Thor was totally, helplessly in her thrall.
You speak as if seeking the Aid of MD is a bad thing. She's an ubber lv TP.
Just saying, we haven't seen him do much in the way of TP or TP protection. He's certainly called upon telepaths when telepathy is necessary, so I don't think whatever telepathy you say he has is going to come into play here very much.
Here's Powergirl stating, that the COMBINED might, of the Jla and the Jsa, WOULDN'T be enough, to truly defeat Darkseid.
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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I have to find the book, but wasn't it Jove, Zeus, Highfather, ares, and odin into one being. I forget half of the shit I read.
More like you make up half of the stuff you read.
What you are talking about is "The One", and Darkseid never came close to fighting that composite. It was made explicitly to enter the Source, and slowly came apart as the Source attacked it, until it was just Ares and Highfather at the heart of the source, "where even a god can die".
To me that counts.
Not surprising.
And His Gods are Top tier correct?
Definitely not all of them. Kalibak is, most of the time, low end top tier. Other than that...? Maybe Steppenwolf.
He did pwn Firestorm and Orion with a wave of a hand. Two top tiers.
That is two. 1/3 of 6.
I won't argue that he can beat 2.
So what's the difference in a wave of a hand, a mental domination and an OE and the fight is over.
Well, for one thing "mental domination" is a rarely used Darkseid power. In fact, it hasn't been used to great affect since Great Darkness Saga, and was only once mentioned by Mr. Miracle post-crisis.
Originally posted by starking
Here's Powergirl stating, that the COMBINED might, of the Jla and the Jsa, WOULDN'T be enough, to truly defeat Darkseid.
http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fa5f6f19jpgorig7jk.jpg
http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fa5f6f12jpgorig2mh.jpg
I have no doubt that Darkseid + Apokolips would own the JLA and JSA, and hopefully all of earth too.
Originally posted by Desaad
No, it wasn't Moodragon with the Mind Gem. This is before that whole nonsense was introduced. Moondragon had subtly taken over the planet of Ba Banis, influencing some of the higher level officers and people of the planet with her TP.The Avengers, when called by Drax, came to stop her and she took Thor over and tried to have the others killed. She used all of her mental powers when she killed Drax - her own father - and was defeated by the Avengers.
But Thor was totally, helplessly in her thrall.
Just saying, we haven't seen him do much in the way of TP or TP protection. He's certainly called upon telepaths when telepathy is necessary, so I don't think whatever telepathy you say he has is going to come into play here very much.
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Originally posted by Desaad
More like you make up half of the stuff you read.What you are talking about is "The One", and Darkseid never came close to fighting that composite. It was made explicitly to enter the Source, and slowly came apart as the Source attacked it, until it was just Ares and Highfather at the heart of the source, "where even a god can die".
Not surprising.
Definitely not all of them. Kalibak is, most of the time, low end top tier. Other than that...? Maybe Steppenwolf.
That is two. 1/3 of 6.
I won't argue that he can beat 2.
Well, for one thing "mental domination" is a rarely used Darkseid power. In fact, it hasn't been used to great affect since Great Darkness Saga, and was only once mentioned by Mr. Miracle post-crisis.
God's of DS that are Top tier would include Mantis, Kalibak, Desaad, Devilance, Granny and others. And making up stuff I read. well don't be an ass hole sweatie. I have enlightened many a things on this board that others Said I made up until someone came and posted for me. As I said, I've read and forgotten more comics than the majorty combined. Do not fault me that I do not share some people's penchant for being comic book geeks and knowing every detail of every page. Thanks hon. You be sweet and don't try me. Just correct me if I'm wrong. I will respect that. Now when you have comics dating back to the 50's and have read them all, call me. And see if you remember every detail. I certainly dont', and nor do I go and look them up. If I mess up a detail, someone usually will find it and correct it. Now if DS can defeat Two top tiers with a wave of a hand, what in God's name is stopping him from three waves of a hand, an OE blast for two, or mental domination. We know he can beat above the top tiers with ease as well. So It's not a stretch to say he can beat 6 with ease.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The Legion is Top tiers and then some. Prodengy or how ever you spell it could beat these 6 alone. and DS pwned him supercharged with Lightning lads powers.
Prodengy?
I'm going to assume you are talking about Jan Arrah, Element Lad, later Progenitor.
Anyway, at his prime he could no doubt do a lot of cool stuff, but I'm not sure if I would put Lightning Lad in his body as high as Progenitor, who had mastered his powers over billions of years. Above top tier, arguably, but by how much? Not sure.
As for the rest, Kid Quantum and MAYBE even Cosmic Boy I could give you, but Shrinking Violet...definitely not.
And he didn't beat them. He got beaten back into a Boom Tube by them.
Originally posted by starking
Yet he used his own power, to kill the gods themselfs.
Well thats not entirely genuine, is it?
We certainly know he was involved - the panel from Orion 15 makes that clear - but we don't know that h was doing that alone, and indeed his assault on Olympus would indicate that he would at least use some of his forces in the attack.
Originally posted by Desaad
Well thats not entirely genuine, is it?We certainly know he was involved - the panel from Orion 15 makes that clear - but we don't know that h was doing that alone, and indeed his assault on Olympus would indicate that he would at least use some of his forces in the attack.
From what I've seen, None of DS forces have what it takes to attack olympus. He'd have to have done it on his own.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
God's of DS that are Top tier would include Mantis, Kalibak, Desaad, Devilance, Granny and others.
Okay, Mantis and Devilance I'll give you. Granny, Desaad, "and others"?
Most certainly not. We've seen Granny stalemated by Amanda Waller without her Mega Rod. Desaad has shown ZERO physical might. Batman beat him.
And making up stuff I read. well don't be an ass hole sweatie. I have enlighten many a thing on this board that others Said I made up until someone came and posted for me. As I said, I've read and forgotten more comics than the majorty combined. Do not fault me that I do not share some people's penchant for being comic book geeks and knowing every detail of every page. Thanks hon. You be sweet and don't try me. Just correct me if I'm wrong. I will respect that.
My problem is that you are FREQUENTLY wrong, and always so as to make the New Gods look better. If these were honest mistakes, I might just leave them alone, but they are regular, and shame on you for trying to pass them off to people who don't know better.
Lucky for us all I've read more issues than you.
You want me to stop being a dick about this, stop purposely misleading people.
