Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
From what I've seen, None of DS forces have what it takes to attack olympus. He'd have to have done it on his own.
Then you haven't seen anything at all, because when he took over Olympus his army was there with him, parademons by the score. ANd he used a big bomb -- technology! - to try to destroy the place (it didn't work, though, based on its unique dimensional vibrational/magical stuff).
Originally posted by Desaad
Okay, Mantis and Devilance I'll give you. Granny, Desaad, "and others"?Most certainly not. We've seen Granny stalemated by Amanda Waller without her Mega Rod. Desaad has shown ZERO physical might. Batman beat him.
My problem is that you are FREQUENTLY wrong, and always so as to make the New Gods look better. If these were honest mistakes, I might just leave them alone, but they are regular, and shame on you for trying to pass them off to people who don't know better.
Lucky for us all I've read more issues than you.
You want me to stop being a dick about this, stop purposely misleading people.
I haven't mislead any one *****. I really only state what I have read or found on the net doing searches. I say what I think and **** you or anyone who thinks my opinion is misleading. Your opinion is all over the board. One minute your saying DS bitched the Greeks, now your saying he did it with his forces. you see how you can be "misleading'> Um yeah. Like I thought. When it suits you. Now if you want to be a cool kid and you think bother ing me is goign to make you one, your wrong sweetie. And if i'm frequently wrong, find them all and prove it or shut the **** up.
Originally posted by starking
Honestly though, do you really think, that Darkseid of that era, wouldn't be able, to solo the Jla and the Jsa?
I don't really do "eras".
Would GDS Darkseid? Sure. And I view that as part of his average, and I really enjoy the story (though, probably not as much as some on this board, as the characterization was weak...but I digress).
That said, I also look at his losses and stalemates against Superman, and take that with similar weight, and that brings him down.
Darkseid doesn't have a lot of showings in which he fully dominates top tier heroes without issue. Certainly he just did in Firestorm, and thats wonderful, but I want to see more out of him before I say he's going to take on 6 top tiers, when ONE of them has previously given him trouble.
Originally posted by Desaad
Then you haven't seen anything at all, because when he took over Olympus his army was there with him, parademons by the score. ANd he used a big bomb -- technology! - to try to destroy the place (it didn't work, though, based on its unique dimensional vibrational/magical stuff).
Originally posted by DesaadI doubt his forces, where used to help bring down the gods themselfs, I beleive their purpose, was to overwhelm their base of operations(if that's the correct term).
Well thats not entirely genuine, is it?We certainly know he was involved - the panel from Orion 15 makes that clear - but we don't know that h was doing that alone, and indeed his assault on Olympus would indicate that he would at least use some of his forces in the attack.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Darkseid powers the tech on Apokolips himself. He's the power source for the whole damn planet and war machines.
That is only not true, it doesn't make sense. Apokolips existed before Darkseid existed.
Moreover, we know that he powers the Firepits, and that the Firepits are A source of energy. But why use technology at all, if has the power in him?
And do you explain the evidence that says its actually the inhabitants of Apokolips that have great power, naturally, and that the "technology" that he gives them is just an illusion, just something that allows him to control them (as revealed in New Gods v2).
Ultimately, it seems facile to say that all technology is just an extension of Darkseid. If that were true, than he wouldn't need Desaad or Metron.
Originally posted by Desaad
That is only not true, it doesn't make sense. Apokolips existed before Darkseid existed.Moreover, we know that he powers the Firepits, and that the Firepits are A source of energy. But why use technology at all, if has the power in him?
And do you explain the evidence that says its actually the inhabitants of Apokolips that have great power, naturally, and that the "technology" that he gives them is just an illusion, just something that allows him to control them (as revealed in New Gods v2).
Ultimately, it seems facile to say that all technology is just an extension of Darkseid. If that were true, than he wouldn't need Desaad or Metron.
I thought he used metron and desaad for thier brilliant minds and great knowlege.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I haven't mislead any one *****. I really only state what I have read or found on the net doing searches. I say what I think and **** you or anyone who thinks my opinion is misleading. Your opinion is all over the board. One minute your saying DS bitched the Greeks, now your saying he did it with his forces. you see how you can be "misleading'> Um yeah. Like I thought. When it suits you. Now if you want to be a cool kid and you think bother ing me is goign to make you one, your wrong sweetie. And if i'm frequently wrong, find them all and prove it or shut the **** up.
Sorry if me being consistent, and portraying a balanced view of the issues is too much for you.
Yeah, Darkseid "defeated" the Greeks, he took over Olympus. With the help of his forces. I don't see how anyone could doubt that, given the evidence of his forces being EVERYWHERE, and the fact that he has never attacked with the express purpose of taking over without his forces.
Unlike Thanos, Darkseid doesn't like physical confrontation. He wouldn't go and destroy a civilization for fun.
If you can't see that, you don't understand the character.
Originally posted by The Problem
So you pick and choose what feats you believe to be acceptable to further press your argument?
From what I've seen of every comic board, EVERY ONE does this. it's why people won't believe that Thor has been knocked out by a bullet and hurt by a razer. It's why people won't count Odin not being able to creme thanos and being beaten by someone being taken over by Loki. It's why people don't count Superman being knocked out by a gas station or being hit by the Toyman. PIS
Originally posted by DesaadCome on, be real. Why the hell, would wanna take those pathetic showings against Superman, into consideration. I mean, everyone of those was just...embarrasing. And not just to Ds, but to comics and the great Jack Kirby, in general. And does a few bad showings, overweigh a character's average?
I don't really do "eras".Would GDS Darkseid? Sure. And I view that as part of his average, and I really enjoy the story (though, probably not as much as some on this board, as the characterization was weak...but I digress).
That said, I also look at his losses and stalemates against Superman, and take that with similar weight, and that brings him down.
Darkseid doesn't have a lot of showings in which he fully dominates top tier heroes without issue. Certainly he just did in Firestorm, and thats wonderful, but I want to see more out of him before I say he's going to take on 6 top tiers, when ONE of them has previously given him trouble.
Originally posted by starking
I doubt his forces, where used to help bring down the gods themselfs, I beleive their purpose, was to overwhelm their base of operations(if that's the correct term).
Certainly that didn't seem to be the case in every war he has waged that we have actually seen. And a penchant for battle is a character trait of Thanos, not Darkseid, so I see no reason to assume that he took them on by himself for any reason.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Forum rules. PIS is discounted, and Superman's heat vision deflecting the OE is massive PIS.
So I can discount any feat I choose? All Thor feats are PIS that don't show him killing every character he faces as it contradicts his showings of nearly killing Galactus and Crushing a Celestial dome.
You see the stupidity in that logic?
Originally posted by Desaad
Sorry if me being consistent, and portraying a balanced view of the issues is too much for you.Yeah, Darkseid "defeated" the Greeks, he took over Olympus. With the help of his forces. I don't see how anyone could doubt that, given the evidence of his forces being EVERYWHERE, and the fact that he has never attacked with the express purpose of taking over without his forces.
Unlike Thanos, Darkseid doesn't like physical confrontation. He wouldn't go and destroy a civilization for fun.
If you can't see that, you don't understand the character.
Have you ever seen me say he does anything for fun? Please dont' seek to establish yourself as an expert by making mis givings. You were the one that said DS has already pwned the greeks. You left out the part about the army. I'd take that is you misrepresenting. Isn't that what you accuse me of? I don't find you consistant nor do I find you balanced. I find you another who thinks thier view is correct. I find no ones views correct. not even mine. They are opinions based upon what is subjective matter written by inconsistant writers. So for you to present anything consistant when the portrayals and writers are not is ****ing amazing to me. have a good night.