Originally posted by starking
Come on, be real. Why the hell, would wanna take those pathetic showings against Superman, into consideration. I mean, everyone of those was just...embarrasing. And not just to Ds, but to comics and the great Jack Kirby, in general. And does a few bad showings, overweigh a character's average?
Why the hell would I take those showings into consideration? Because they are continuity and they are canon.
I don't go back and re-read them. I don't try to rationalize them. Yeah, I think they were poorly written. They portrayed Darkseid poorly, they portrayed Apokolips poorly. The writers didn't get what he was about, what the New Gods were about.
But I can separate what I like, and what reality is. In my own internal canon, nothing beyond Kirby's New Gods and Simonson's Orion series happened. Those are the only two treatments of the characters to really hit the mark. Ever.
But I can't go around arguing that showings from only those series' count, can I? In my head, those are the ones that matter, but when I debate I like to be fully knowledgeable.
Originally posted by Desaad
Well, can't I argue that about any character then?"Well, all those losses of Superman to Darkseid were PIS, so they don't count...".
Where does that leave us?
I'm not discounting every loss. 'Apokolips now!' was bad, but it's not PIS. S/B 25 however............that was total PIS.
Originally posted by The Problem2 or 3 low showings, SHOULDN'T overshadow a character's average portrayal.
So I can discount any feat I choose? All Thor feats are PIS that don't show him killing every character he faces as it contradicts his showings of nearly killing Galactus and Crushing a Celestial dome.You see the stupidity in that logic?
Originally posted by Desaad
Why the hell would I take those showings into consideration? Because they are continuity and they are canon.I don't go back and re-read them. I don't try to rationalize them. Yeah, I think they were poorly written. They portrayed Darkseid poorly, they portrayed Apokolips poorly. The writers didn't get what he was about, what the New Gods were about.
But I can separate what I like, and what reality is. In my own internal canon, nothing beyond Kirby's New Gods and Simonson's Orion series happened. Those are the only two treatments of the characters to really hit the mark. Ever.
But I can't go around arguing that showings from only those series' count, can I? In my head, those are the ones that matter, but when I debate I like to be fully knowledgeable.
Read the forum rules. PIS does not count. where does PIS come from. Poorly written stories by poor writers.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I'm not discounting every loss. Apokolips was bad, but it's not PIS. S/B 25 however............that was total PIS.
S/B the series is PIS. batman beating doomsdays with batarangs. WTF. Superman getting pwned by despero in hand to hand and then one shotting him with heat Vision. WTF.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Have you ever seen me say he does anything for fun? Please dont' seek to establish yourself as an expert by making mis givings. You were the one that said DS has already pwned the greeks. You left out the part about the army. I'd take that is you misrepresenting.
You can take it however you want, but clearly I have no misgivings of telling the truth if only asked. I'm not going to write out a complex analysis of the events as they went down for no reason - that is silly, and wastes my time.
One thing I don't do is make things up, as you do, or make wild assumptions and present them as fact.
Isn't that what you accuse me of? I don't find you consistant nor do I find you balanced.
Thats fine.
Do you realize that other boards repost what you say, and laugh at you?
I find you another who thinks thier view is correct. I find no ones views correct. not even mine. They are opinions based upon what is subjective matter written by inconsistant writers. So for you to present anything consistant when the portrayals and writers are not is ****ing amazing to me. have a good night.
You don't understand.
Overall interpretations of a character are subjective. Are they cool? Do they suck? Are they interesting?
The evidence, as it is, is relatively straightforward. It was either printed on the page, or it wasn't. Saying "the one" took on Darkseid and Darkseid beat him and hoping that no one had read it...thats not the same, is it?
I've seen you do this repeatedly, and its childish.
Originally posted by DesaadDesaad, there's a TON of horrible showings, for various comic book characters. Why do we have to use the less consistent, Superman level Darkseid(or Dorkshit, as I call him), over the MORE consistent skyfather level, we've seen more often?
Why the hell would I take those showings into consideration? Because they are continuity and they are canon.I don't go back and re-read them. I don't try to rationalize them. Yeah, I think they were poorly written. They portrayed Darkseid poorly, they portrayed Apokolips poorly. The writers didn't get what he was about, what the New Gods were about.
But I can separate what I like, and what reality is. In my own internal canon, nothing beyond Kirby's New Gods and Simonson's Orion series happened. Those are the only two treatments of the characters to really hit the mark. Ever.
But I can't go around arguing that showings from only those series' count, can I? In my head, those are the ones that matter, but when I debate I like to be fully knowledgeable.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Read the forum rules. PIS does not count. where does PIS come from. Poorly written stories by poor writers.
Then I can be banned from the board, but I'm going to argue as I see fit.
PIS is an inherently opinion/perception based rule. It doesn't make sense, as its just a "delete" button for any showings someone doesn't like.
Where does the line get drawn?
Originally posted by TricksterPriest3 billion daxamites after he absorbed a shit load of power. impressive feat but ds was powered up. explains why he doesnt do it more often. ds needs to be powered up.
TP strong enough to dominate 3 BILLION Daxamites? I think not. That is one of the greatest telepathy feats in the history of comics.The team becomes the new male furies of Darkseid.
Originally posted by Desaad
You can take it however you want, but clearly I have no misgivings of telling the truth if only asked. I'm not going to write out a complex analysis of the events as they went down for no reason - that is silly, and wastes my time.One thing I don't do is make things up, as you do, or make wild assumptions and present them as fact.
Thats fine.
Do you realize that other boards repost what you say, and laugh at you?
You don't understand.
Overall interpretations of a character are subjective. Are they cool? Do they suck? Are they interesting?
The evidence, as it is, is relatively straightforward. It was either printed on the page, or it wasn't. Saying "the one" took on Darkseid and Darkseid beat him and hoping that no one had read it...thats not the same, is it?
I've seen you do this repeatedly, and its childish.
Originally posted by Desaad
Then I can be banned from the board, but I'm going to argue as I see fit.PIS is an inherently opinion/perception based rule. It doesn't make sense, as its just a "delete" button for any showings someone doesn't like.
Where does the line get drawn?
Not bad. But seeing as how the OE has worked on better beings than Superman, and it has gone through barriers and blasts stronger than Superman's HV, and it's worked perfectly on peers of Superman.....
It's more like 'The superman effect' than anything else. Meaning, DC wanking Superman. IE: Superman stopping the Omega Effect with his HV is PIS.
Originally posted by starking
Desaad, there's a TON of horrible showings, for various comic book characters. Why do we have to use the less consistent, Superman level Darkseid(or Dorkshit, as I call him), over the MORE consistent skyfather level, we've seen more often?
Because thats just not true. You don't HAVE a glut of consistent Skyfather battle feats for Darkseid. You have GDS, and then you have sort of "ABC" logic stuff like creating Stayne.
What I'm saying is, why should we ignore the bad showings? Why not just factor them all in, and come up with an average? In the end, won't that work out the best? Those characters with a large number of bad showings will have a low average, as the bad showings will be more the rule than the exception. And same holds true for those with mostly good showings.
It just seems the most fair way, barring special circumstances (say if a character only has 3 showings to their name).
Originally posted by quanchi112
3 billion daxamites after he absorbed a shit load of power. impressive feat but ds was powered up. explains why he doesnt do it more often. ds needs to be powered up.
Shitload of power? BS. He was weakened and not near his normal levels. It's an even bigger feat because it was a weakened Darkseid doing it.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestsupes is getting more powerful as time goes by. ask nver. supes has been catching darkseid for years. while he isnt his equal yet supes has been beating him down consecutively so when do u stop calling it pis and start saying things have changed.
Not bad. But seeing as how the OE has worked on better beings than Superman, and it has gone through barriers and blasts stronger than Superman's HV, and it's worked perfectly on peers of Superman.....It's more like 'The superman effect' than anything else. Meaning, DC wanking Superman. IE: Superman stopping the Omega Effect with his HV is PIS.
Originally posted by DesaadI wouldnt say showings that people don't like, now that doesn't make sense, but showings that DON'T blend in, with a character's normal powerset.
Then I can be banned from the board, but I'm going to argue as I see fit.PIS is an inherently opinion/perception based rule. It doesn't make sense, as its just a "delete" button for any showings someone doesn't like.
Where does the line get drawn?