3 gods vs 6 top tiers.

Originally posted by UniOmni
So the buck stops with Diana?

BB has thrown down with the top tiers in Marvel and looked like their peer, and has been consistently presented as such.

He fights Gladiator, he fights Hulk, he fights Thor he fights Namor and yet he's not top tier?

He wipes out Apoc( a classic midtier/low end top tier) in an alternate universe, but he's not top tier.

He takes on a sentient pocket universe(and was about to destroy it), but he's not top tier.

Hell, in the alternate universe, he's taken on Celestials!(Lost, but he went there).

And he's got the best win/loss ratio in Marvel next to Sentry.

Your hate knows no bounds.

Originally posted by Desaad
😱

I really don't know what to say to this.

How old are you?

Feel better now that you've gotten that off your chest?

I don't care whether you "see anything special". I'm not here to impress you, or anyone else.

Do you realize that I have had to correct nearly every post of yours in which you post "factual" information? Doesn't that indicate something to you?

Just be honest. Then I won't have anything to "get on your case" about, and you won't have to deal with me again.

Fair?

Originally posted by starking
Wouldn't Secret and ae Supergirl, being able to own Despero, be a testament to their powers, rather than a low showing, on Despero's behalf?

Not when we have seen Secret get beaten by a Vacuum cleaner, and Supergirl (Linda) was never top tier in nature.

Not when Despero has been taken out by a single blast of Superman's heat vision.

I'm still waiting for the reference on Supergirl being defeated by Darkseid, by the way, since I haven't seen it.

I DO think Secret's showing at the end of Young Justice, where she nearly destroys the world, is impressive and thus so is Darkseid's defeat of her. But her intimidation of Despero came not from any genuine power level but from her nature as the guardian of limbo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
desaad i have a question for u. do u feel in hunter and prey that the ds that fought doomsday was an avatar? or the real ds? im curious to get ur opinion on this matter.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
i don't know much about him did he actually win against any of those characters you stated he faced.

Sentry was also scared to face him, because he would use his voice.

Originally posted by quanchi112
desaad i have a question for u. do u feel in hunter and prey that the ds that fought doomsday was an avatar? or the real ds? im curious to get ur opinion on this matter.

I think John Byrne certainly thought he was retconning the instance, yeah, but I don't think its a legitimate argument for a debate. No specifics mean not necessarily valid.

I take all the retcons from Evanier's work to be totally valid, though.

Originally posted by UniOmni
So the buck stops with Diana?

BB has thrown down with the top tiers in Marvel and looked like their peer, and has been consistently presented as such.

He fights Gladiator, he fights Hulk, he fights Thor he fights Namor and yet he's not top tier?

He wipes out Apoc( a classic midtier/low end top tier) in an alternate universe, but he's not top tier.

He takes on a sentient pocket universe(and was about to destroy it), but he's not top tier.

Hell, in the alternate universe, he's taken on Celestials!(Lost, but he went there).

And he's got the best win/loss ratio in Marvel next to Sentry.

Your hate knows no bounds.

You are so silly if you think I hate him. I have put BB on most of my best of marvel teams. I dont' hate him. I think he's a great character. He just isn't as strong or fast as Diana in my opinion. If we go by battles, He'd lose very fast to her. Just to fast for him. And she knows like 3000 different fighting styles.

Originally posted by Desaad
Not when we have seen Secret get beaten by a Vacuum cleaner, and Supergirl (Linda) was never top tier in nature.

Not when Despero has been taken out by a single blast of Superman's heat vision.

I'm still waiting for the reference on Supergirl being defeated by Darkseid, by the way, since I haven't seen it.

I DO think Secret's showing at the end of Young Justice, where she nearly destroys the world, is impressive and thus so is Darkseid's defeat of her. But her intimidation of Despero came not from any genuine power level but from her nature as the guardian of limbo.

Originally posted by Desaad
Not when we have seen Secret get beaten by a Vacuum cleaner, and Supergirl (Linda) was never top tier in nature.

Not when Despero has been taken out by a single blast of Superman's heat vision.

I'm still waiting for the reference on Supergirl being defeated by Darkseid, by the way, since I haven't seen it.

I DO think Secret's showing at the end of Young Justice, where she nearly destroys the world, is impressive and thus so is Darkseid's defeat of her. But her intimidation of Despero came not from any genuine power level but from her nature as the guardian of limbo.

Remember when SG was on apok. DS just pwned her after she was beating all of his new Gods in her small form. So you didnt' read Supergirl I take it. Despero was still his uber self. She was just more uber. powered up by heaven.

Originally posted by Tyrant
He lost against Thor, and that's really it...

He didn't defeat Gladiator either, though he temporarily knocked him out with a whisper directly to the ear, while he was fighting Lockjaw.

Not exactly a fair win.

Black Bolt has one of the best won/lost records in comics, though. So much so that Paul Jenkins once claimed that he had never been defeated.

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Originally posted by Desaad
He didn't defeat Gladiator either, though he temporarily knocked him out with a whisper directly to the ear, while he was fighting Lockjaw.

Not exactly a fair win.

Black Bolt has one of the best won/lost records in comics, though. So much so that Paul Jenkins once claimed that he had never been defeated.

One when he was fighting Quaser, and one, on his lonesome, I believe.

the thing about glads is his powerlevel is very variable. and it can be easily explained. so that also has to be taken into consideration.

Originally posted by Desaad
Not when we have seen Secret get beaten by a Vacuum cleaner, and Supergirl (Linda) was never top tier in nature.

Not when Despero has been taken out by a single blast of Superman's heat vision.

I'm still waiting for the reference on Supergirl being defeated by Darkseid, by the way, since I haven't seen it.

I DO think Secret's showing at the end of Young Justice, where she nearly destroys the world, is impressive and thus so is Darkseid's defeat of her. But her intimidation of Despero came not from any genuine power level but from her nature as the guardian of limbo.

Here's Seid defeating Sg.
http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supergirl2907kw6.jpg

As for the rest of post, don't know what to say 😛

Originally posted by Superherovandal
the thing about glads is his powerlevel is very variable. and it can be easily explained. so that also has to be taken into consideration.

Originally posted by starking
I know about Despero, being koed by Supes...which is just pure crap. But I wouldn't say that would be an EXAMPLE, of Despy on general.

Here's Seid defeating Sg.
http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supergirl2907kw6.jpg

As for the rest of post, don't know what to say 😛

Foolproof.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
i know this question isn't directed towards me but you do know that he outright said that he was at a very low point in power during that arc. and even though he later says that his physical losses were avatars even if it wasn't an avatar its not a bad showing because what i said above and the fact that he was cheapshotted from behind by a Doomsday that was so powerful that he had to be sent to the Big Crunch to be finally defeated.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
i don't know much about him did he actually win against any of those characters you stated he faced.

He's dropped the classic savage Hulk about 2-3 times iirc.

He slugged it out with Gladiator, and dropped him with a whisper.

He slugged it out with Thor, and then Thor attacked his antenna(which up until that point had only been a point of focus, not the source of his powers) and got the win that way.

He put Namor down iirc.

This is all canon.

Now, in Earth X, when the Celestials came to earth to awaken the cosmic seed in the core(iirc?) BB went into space and took them on.

He was promptly wiped out for his troubles tho, but the fact that Earth considered him there biggest weapon against them says alot.

He wiped out Apoc in the HOM alternate universe(wanda goes crazy business) with a word.

In the fight with the Graviton who collapsed inwardly upon himself, becoming a pocket universe iirc) he flew into space fast enough to block and disperse the solar blast Graviton drew off the sun and directed towards Attilan, then flew back to earth and manipulated the minature blackholes Graviton threw at the Thing, and then took a piece of rubble, turned it into antimatter, and threw it(while covered in an electron shielding bubble) at Graviton with the intent to put him down.

He stopped when he saw that was what Graviton wanted tho.

He also took on a kree rebel who empowered himself with the entire terrigen mists, and punched him out of the atmosphere of attilan on the moon using the masterblow.

He also pulled off what looked like a speedblitz.

Dude is top tier, but without the shitty record most top tiers have.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
you do know that despero also was owning the entire jla on his lonesome in a later arc?

Sure, but I also know the specifics of that...that he was facing most of them one on one, and that he was stalemated by a couple of them. Superman stalemated him for a good while, Hal Jordan stalemated him until he got distracted, Aquaman had him hurting until he was able to telepathically blast him.

I also know about his appearances as L-Ron/Despero, in which he had the same body but a different mind and he was far from extremely powerful.

its a cheapshot when the person is turned. For instance say i hit you during a fight to the ground and you looked knocked out and I became complacent and turned around and walked away. If you suddenly hit me from behind thats a cheapshot. same thing.

Originally posted by Tyrant
So, what qualifies as a win in your book, is if your opponent goes down, even if she doesn't know she's fighting you, then that's a win?

Foolproof.