I think stats put Diana in at 130 lbs and 6'0" even. Without powers she'd be vastly underweight. So if we bump her to 170 Cain is still coming in at 9'5" and 1500 lbs. Assuming he doesn't die from his heart not being able to handle the stress he still has more than enough raw muscle to crush anyone here regardless of skill
The word slight is in fact correct. I personally doubt she's more effective than Thor in regards to hand to hand skill. I've had this debate plenty of times with various Wonder Woman fans and the stance has yet to be disproved. She might be more flashy but as we've seen, that doesn't mean she's superior in hand to hand. She's closer to a martial artist type combatant while Thor's more of a brawler/boxer/wrestler combo. I will concede that her skills are mentioned more than Thor's.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankat that size he could fall on people and Colossus Thing and Thor are the only ones who could handle even that. Choking him out won't work as his neck is bigger than their arms combined with the fact that juggs shoulders cover 90% of his neck. That and at that size supposing his frame could handle his own weight he could still one handed pick up everyone here and start busting skulls.
Kicking his ass, probably.
Originally posted by Uriel005
at that size he could fall on people and Colossus Thing and Thor are the only ones who could handle even that. Choking him out won't work as his neck is bigger than their arms combined with the fact that juggs shoulders cover 90% of his neck. That and at that size supposing his frame could handle his own weight he could still one handed pick up everyone here and start busting skulls.
His mobility is likely to be dog crap, though, and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he got targeted by everyone and put down. He doesn't really have much anything going for him aside from being huge as hell (provided he does keep his massive frame and isn't shrunk down some). Some of the faster people here, like Diana, would probably dance circles around him and shatter his kneecaps.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankBut if we assume his frame can handle his weight all juggs would really need to do is tuck and curl in a fetal position. Nothing anyone else does is really going to hurt him badly through all that muscle.
His mobility is likely to be dog crap, though, and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he got targeted by everyone and put down. He doesn't really have much anything going for him aside from being huge as hell (provided he does keep his massive frame and isn't shrunk down some). Some of the faster people here, like Diana, would probably dance circles around him and shatter his kneecaps.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The word slight is in fact correct. I personally doubt she's more effective than Thor in regards to hand to hand skill. I've had this debate plenty of times with various Wonder Woman fans and the stance has yet to be disproved. She might be more flashy but as we've seen, that doesn't mean she's superior in hand to hand. She's closer to a martial artist type combatant while Thor's more of a brawler/boxer/wrestler combo. I will concede that her skills are mentioned more than Thor's.
Buddy... you're are talking about combat effectiveness.. when the word I had an issue with was skill. Those aren't the same thing. WW has a clear skill advantage over thor. It's not slight it's a clear advantage. I do agree Thor's uses the tools he has very well, and gets the job done with them. However, when we are just talking skill not effectiveness... there is a decisive edge to Diana.
I cannot believe all the ridiculous comments claiming a 170 pound woman WITHOUT any powers would be even remotely a threat to these behemoths because of "Martial Arts skills."
First off, the vast majority of martial arts are worthless in a REAL fight. All teh crap you see in movies is pure fantasy. Most martial arts if used in the real world get you killed.
They look nice in a dojo - But that's about it. There are very, very few MA's that are useful in the real world - And those that are, are quite simple. 3,000 MA'S? come on... How many ways are there to effectively throw a punch? lol
Pure fluff. Now, a female with thin arms compared to these massively muscled men will find herself so out-matched, it's pathetic.
Imagine an immensely skilled 5 year old trying to take out a gorilla. Seriously, these men likely have 7 - 9 times her strength judging by physiques. Any of you ever actually been in a real fight?
My first punch in a sparring session with a man who weighed about 245 - 250 caught me off guard. I'm a rather strong guy, and felt confident that hitting this guy would have the desired effect.
Nope. I quickly learned that thick layers of muscle covering "pressure points" = No longer quite the pressure point you expected...
I was mauled. skill beats strength only when the person using the strength advantage is an idiot, and the strength advantage is within reason. But when your oppoenet has 7, 8, 9 times your strength... lol Yea, that skill means crap. Or do you really think that a skilled 4 or 5 year old would take you out?
If so, then you probably need to step away from the computer and do some push-ups or something.
Seeing as how none of the guys she'd be fighting are "idiots" and have plenty of h2h skill, this is curtains for her.
Not to mention that she has all this experience fighting WITH powers. She's not used to being such an under-dog. She's used to have speed, strength advantage, etc.
Suddenly, all these things she's used to having are taken away from her. You fight the way you train - So she's going to suddenly be awkward, and uncomfortable.
Whereas Collosus, Jugs, Thor - They may have their powers removed, but they still have a massive strength advantage against their opponent.
In short, she's a goner.
Originally posted by ctnn1You should consider that this is comic book martial arts we're talking about here that involves comic book characters in a comic book fight.
I cannot believe all the ridiculous comments claiming a 170 pound woman WITHOUT any powers would be even remotely a threat to these behemoths because of "Martial Arts skills."First off, the vast majority of martial arts are worthless in a REAL fight.