Originally posted by h1a8
Well he did once without pulling help. The help he got was not of the pulling kind.
When did he pull a planet without pulling help? Every single time we've seen Superman move something planet sized he had help.
And Thor and Hercules were generating enough force in their arm wrestling contest to knock apparently knock the planet out of the orbit, which is essentially enough force to move the planet, as it requires to move the planet to knock it out of orbit.
Colossus is up there, a Judo master who's nearly peak human without his powers.
Ben is as well, a world class boxer whose nearly peak human without his powers.
Cap, I don't think so, his powers are what make him peak human, without them he's back to scrawny Steve.
Thor has a millinea of skill, but without his powers, how strong will he be?? We have no way to know, so he's an undecided for me.
Wonder Woman is the same as Thor, but regular Amazons are awesome, so if she's turned into one of those, she's probably got a top 5 spot.
Juggy was pretty strong before the transformation, and he knows a bunch of street fighting, plus military hand to hand.
Superman, Surfer, Flash, and Spidey aren't even in the contest.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
A moon sized planet? A piece of it was shown to be planet sized. What makes you think the entire planet was moon sized? That one panel where we see the pieces of the planet flying as Thor destroys it?What makes you think so? Nothing short of planetary destroying force penetrating Celestial armor doesn't sit right with you?
Now you're just being stupid. The Odin Destroyer was powered by all of the Odin Force, all of the Asgardians, and by a portion of power from each and every Skyfather. With all that energy put in the Destroyer armor, you think it's hyperbole that it's blows are capable of destroying a planet?
Christ you're dumb.
No! a piece was shown to be no more than 100 feat wide. Where do you get that planet sized crap from? The planet had no atmosphere which proves it was a rather small planet.
I didn't say the Destroyer wasn't potentially capable of that. When you said Destroyer by default that means animated by an average user, not animated by Odin and all of the asgradians and skyfathers.
So I and mostly everyone here highly disagree that a normal Destroyer can destroy a planet with one punch. Call me dumb if you like but that's ridiculous.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
When did he pull a planet without pulling help? Every single time we've seen Superman move something planet sized he had help.And Thor and Hercules were generating enough force in their arm wrestling contest to knock apparently knock the planet out of the orbit, which is essentially enough force to move the planet, as it requires to move the planet to knock it out of orbit.
Superman didn't receive any help IN THE PULLING in the Starbreaker feat. Although he received help in the other feat I proved that he was at least pulling with 54 Earth weights of force anyway. Also you have the one and only solo Mageddon feat.
That arm wrestling feat is void for several reasons. First, it is impossible to knock a planet out of orbit using only Thor's and Hercules weight (unless they are striking the planet). To move something one must have something to brace or push against. Thor and Hercules wasn't even pushing against air to move the planet since they were both motionless. Second, that story may not be canon since it was a side story after the comic ended and was only intended for fun entertainment purposes. Finally, I didn't notice the planet was out of orbit, so it could have been a lie. How did the planet get back in orbit? Thor and Hercules can't put it back.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusWonder Woman recently had her powers blocked by A Super Ninja and she had to totally fight Un armed against someone trained in many many martial arts forms. On top of the fact that Wondy Also Knows Hundreds of forms of greco Roman combats including wrestling, it's not even up for debate. No other Top tier or herald level being is as skilled as wonder woman is in unarmed combat. Even batman agrees to this.
Heh, that's funny. Thor doesn't use fancy moves but he is still as effective at the least. When he was powerless he was doing just as well as Captain America, keeping up with him at the least etc. against an army of opponents (Even Captain America is surprised by how impressive Thor is.). Heck as I recall, Thor even took down opponents that dropped Captain America in the beginning of the issue as I recall.Thor also has genuis level I.Q. when he wants to.
No, not really from what I've seen. Prove it.
That's nice. Thor has lived for like millions of years going by some interpretations.
Debatable at the very least that she has superior knowledge. Superman also has pressure point knowledge, and Thor has shown to use jabs etc. before as well.
Originally posted by supremthor
Wonder Woman
Thor
Superman/BenWW is the top, even with out powers she is still a better and smarter fighter then anyone on that list, and more skills under her belt. if you disagree, your being ether sexiest or no shit bout WW.
probably most skilled, but is that enough for her to win against men a whole lot bigger and stronger than her? Especially guys who are also well skilled.
Originally posted by h1a8
Superman didn't receive any help IN THE PULLING in the Starbreaker feat. Although he received help in the other feat I proved that he was at least pulling with 54 Earth weights of force anyway. Also you have the one and only solo Mageddon feat.That arm wrestling feat is void for several reasons. First, it is impossible to knock a planet out of orbit using only Thor's and Hercules weight (unless they are striking the planet). To move something one must have something to brace or push against. Thor and Hercules wasn't even pushing against air to move the planet since they were both motionless. Second, that story may not be canon since it was a side story after the comic ended and was only intended for fun entertainment purposes. Finally, I didn't notice the planet was out of orbit, so it could have been a lie. How did the planet get back in orbit? Thor and Hercules can't put it back.
Actually the fact, that it was stated that Superman's strength combined with the power of the Green Lantern is what did the feat, than I think it's pretty clear that it wasn't only Superman.
LOL. You're talking about the impossible when we are debating comic characters, who are gods and whether or not they can move planets? Get the hell out of here with that shit. I can easily say the fact that Superman/Green Lantern and Starbreaker putting so much force on the planet didn't kill everybody on it, makes it null and void.
Didn't you read it? The force of them arm wrestling was generating such force, that it could move the planet out of orbit. The simply force being generated. That's the apparent level of the strength they were using was at. Exactly what problem is there with that?
Not Cannon? It was a side story in the back of a Thor comic. Thor had side stories at the back of his book all the time at a certain point and they were all obviously vital and cannon. What makes you think it wasn't cannon besides your own baseless opinion?
Except the writer stated they were generating enough force to knock the planet out of orbit and they should count themselves lucky. Are you ignoring what is stated on panel now? What am I saying? Of course you are. It wouldn't be the first time.
Originally posted by h1a8
No! a piece was shown to be no more than 100 feat wide. Where do you get that planet sized crap from? The planet had no atmosphere which proves it was a rather small planet.I didn't say the Destroyer wasn't potentially capable of that. When you said Destroyer by default that means animated by an average user, not animated by Odin and all of the asgradians and skyfathers.
So I and mostly everyone here highly disagree that a normal Destroyer can destroy a planet with one punch. Call me dumb if you like but that's ridiculous.
What? Did you see how big it was? A single piece of it that was floating around was this big.
From the comics. No atmosphere? Apparently Sif could breathe on it and she can't breathe in space.
Well that Destroyer was animated by Odin plus the Asgardian's etc. and it could not penetrate the armor with planet shattering blows while Thor could with a single blow.
And my bad. I assumed you knew what instance I was talking about, so I was like what the hell?
Originally posted by Zeuodin
Wonder Woman recently had her powers blocked by A Super Ninja and she had to totally fight Un armed against someone trained in many many martial arts forms. On top of the fact that Wondy Also Knows Hundreds of forms of greco Roman combats including wrestling, it's not even up for debate. No other Top tier or herald level being is as skilled as wonder woman is in unarmed combat. Even batman agrees to this.
Super Ninja? Are you talking about the time she fought some random superhuman that we had never seen before or after? Where does it say she was a super ninja who knows many martial art's form? I only read the fight once and didn't like it, so I might forgetting some few details. As a matter of fact can you please post the entire fight or tell me the issue number?
That's cool. Thor is the greatest warrior of Asgard, and the greatest killer Asgard has ever produced. He has mastered the art of war and combat through his thousands years of life. He has defeated a significantly amped Ares in combat, the same Ares who apparently knows every form of armed or unarmed combat. No Top Tier or Herald level being is as skilled as Thor in an unarmed combat. Even Captain America agrees to this. I can spout shit too.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What? Did you see how big it was? A single piece of it that was floating around was this big.From the comics. No atmosphere? Apparently Sif could breathe on it and she can't breathe in space.
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/3067/theinfinitygauntlet0404ed9.jpg
Do you think Captain America can breathe in space?
Originally posted by Juntai
Wierd stuff happens in comics.http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/3067/theinfinitygauntlet0404ed9.jpg
Do you think Captain America can breathe in space?
During the entire Infinity Gauntlet mess? Strange cast a spell on the ones who couldn't breathe as I recall.
Originally posted by Juntai
Btw, Wonder Woman isn't on Batman's level without her powers. iirc, she couldn't even land a blow on him until she started using them. But then, Batman is kinda like that with pretty much every supposedly badass martial artist.
But....but....Batman said she's the greatest fighter or some such in the world!
Or maybe, like some people fail to realize, some times lip service is just that, lip service.
