Ken Masters v.s. Paul Phoenix

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*beats up guilty queer with a toothpick*

~The Invincible Sado-sama

ThoraxeRMG The Last Boss

Seriously, Ken wins this easily.
Even his Riot of the blood version takes this.

shin_remy Senior Member

don't play dumb sado we all know what Ken can brake bones

even you and I can brake bones

Martial artist can brake bones with punches

and the throw is useless against Ken since he can tech !!!

and he easily dodge those punches and can counter it with a nice placed Shoryuken

Ken wins i don't see anything why he should win

for so far you are the only one saying Paul wins and keep defending Paul, even with so many people against you, you still keep standing

nice 😮‍💨

Sado22 Restricted

don't play dumb sado we all know what Ken can brake bones

no one is playing dumb. he can break bones because...?
he has never shwon the strength to do so.

even you and I can brake bones

with punches? dont kid yourself, remy. even the strongest heavyweight boxers in the world were only able to break bones after repeated shots.
you people watch too much anime, play too many videogames and watch too many badly dubbed chinese movies.
a REAL fight is what you people need.

Martial artist can brake bones with punches

sure...but only after repeated shots

and the throw is useless against Ken since he can tech!!!

...so why do throws exist in SF in the first place if all it takes is to "tech" it? get real, remy.

and he easily dodge those punches and can counter it with a nice placed Shoryuken

never said we couldnt or wouldn't. but don't think Paul will just stand there and let Ken hit him either. Paul is more experienced than Ken and has had his hands full with fast warriros himself. Steve Fox has some of the fastest and strongest punches, but guess who beat him? yes, his name is Paul Phoenix.

Ken wins i don't see anything why he should win

exactly. i don't see why he should win. 🙂

for so far you are the only one saying Paul wins and keep defending Paul, even with so many people against you, you still keep standing

boohoo. the SF fans of the world have united against me. 😛

~Sado

shin_remy Senior Member

you are funny sado i can continue with you for ever in this thread

it would never end... 😮‍💨

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Originally posted by Sado22
*beats up guilty queer with a toothpick*

~The Invincible Sado-sama


Originally posted by ThoraxeRMG
crylaugh
Originally posted by shin_remy
don't play dumb sado we all know what Ken can brake bones
I assume that he can. However, I'm sure Paul has shown better strength feats, and some of his grapples are specifically designed to break bones.
Originally posted by shin_remy
even you and I can brake bones
That would be really hard to do in a fight unless you're some heavyweight boxer. Only then would it not be so hard to do so I guess, and that's if the person being hit has healthy and strong bones. You (I assume) or anyone else could break an old woman's bones much easier.
Originally posted by shin_remy
Martial artist can brake bones with punches
Depends on which kind of bones.
Originally posted by shin_remy
and the throw is useless against Ken since he can tech !!!
What?
Originally posted by shin_remy
and he easily dodge those punches and can counter it with a nice placed Shoryuken
And vice versa.
Originally posted by shin_remy
Ken wins i don't see anything why he should win
That's fine.
Originally posted by shin_remy
for so far you are the only one saying Paul wins and keep defending Paul, even with so many people against you, you still keep standing

nice 😮‍💨

I'm also saying Paul wins...since he has a better list of feats and more experience, but also say that it's a very close fight, and most of the people in this thread said that it could go either way.
Originally posted by shin_remy
you are funny sado i can continue with you for ever in this thread

it would never end... 😮‍💨

No, no. You are so funny to watch, seriously.

shin_remy Senior Member

stop Xeno

you didn't read all my post you ignored 99% of my arguments so don't interfere you are making fool of yourself, if you want to joint the debate read everything from the previous pages

thank you

Superboy Prime Fanboy

Easy boy.

This won't be easy for Ken.

And it's obvious Ken can break bones; however that's not his style. Breaking bones is Paul's style. That's all there is to it.

And no one has dared state Ken wins a stomp either@Remy

Sado22 Restricted

This won't be easy for Ken.
And it's obvious Ken can break bones; however that's not his style. Breaking bones is Paul's style. That's all there is to it.
And no one has dared state Ken wins a stomp either@Remy

superboy is proving time and time again that he is probably the most neutral person on this forum...AFTER ME. 😮

as for ken breaking bones, the point i have been TRYING to make is that he doesnt' have Paul's punching power to do so (since he aint shattering boulders anytime soon). that is one.
the second point is, while he may pull off an armbar or so, pulling it off against Paul would be almost impossible since Paul is not only heavier but he is an expert judo user. grappling is HIS thing. Not ken's.

and yes its going to be a very tough bout. Paul takes it on the count of better strength and more experience and more recognizable feats. Paul=6/10

~Sado

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Originally posted by shin_remy
stop Xeno

you didn't read all my post you ignored 99% of my arguments so don't interfere you are making fool of yourself, if you want to joint the debate read everything from the previous pages

thank you

None of your arguments were worth anyone's time, remy.

Sandai Kitetsu Balloooooooooooooon

Originally posted by Sado22

as for ken breaking bones, the point i have been TRYING to make is that he doesnt' have Paul's punching power to do so

~Sado


You don't have to have much punching power to break bones, and ken does have enough power to break bones. Was this what you were arguing about for so long.

shin_remy Senior Member

YES!!!!

punching power and throws...

Usual Suspect Saikyo Pharaoh Sol Radguy

Bones are tough to break, they are stronger then reinforced concrete or so I've heard.

Sandai Kitetsu Balloooooooooooooon

Originally posted by Usual Suspect
Bones are tough to break, they are stronger then reinforced concrete or so I've heard.

Are you serious?

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Woah...someone has some really tough bones in that case.

Usual Suspect Saikyo Pharaoh Sol Radguy

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Are you serious?
That's what I hear on the Dicovery Channel.

(Yeah I watch the Discovery Channel, so what?!)

DarkC -KMC THREAD KILLER-

Originally posted by Sado22
DarkC, your replies are giving me a headache. I am going to narrow everything down so that we don't go around in circles

Yes, we are going in circles, mainly because of the fact that you seem to take what I was talking about precisely and attempt to bring something else in entirely that has nothing to do with the topic which I am discussing at hand.

Saying that we’re going in circles, what else is new? If you’re declaring that you’re going to do something, then do it. Announcing it, that’s just a waste of pixel space in my opinion.

Originally posted by Sado22
i'm going to state my points in concise sentences and avoid any confusion.

No, your points were easy enough to understand, although you seemed to add points where they were completely unnecessary despite me telling you several times that this was a moot point that you were bringing into the debate.

The sentence structuring isn’t the problem here, Sado, it’s a lack of realization in a critical point on something, where it is actually irrelevant.

Originally posted by Sado22
so...lets start over again:
-we are NOT talking about Ken alone. Paul is in the picture too.

Why are we talking about Paul when it is Ken’s ability alone to be able to break bones or not?
It’s completely irrelevant and independent of Ken’s abilities. Ken’s can-do abilities do not affect Paul’s list of can-do abilities, so bringing it up is pointless. Like I’ve said twenty times now.

Paul and what he can do has absolutely nothing to do with what Ken can do.

Originally posted by Sado22
-i am talking specifically of him breaking bones through punches and kicks.

Normal people can do it, why can’t Ken?

Breaking someone’s bones with a blow is quick and decisive if the person knows where to strike, possessing a good sense of knowledge of the human skeletal structure and etc. It isn’t restricted to massively strong people to one-hit someone in a certain area to break a bone, whether it be the jaw, a kneecap, or an elbow joint.

Originally posted by Sado22
-We can assume Paul can since he has shattered walls and boulders all of which stronger and tougher than human bones.

No, you don’t seem to understand.

Even if he wasn’t as strong, not enough to break walls or boulders, I would not deny your claim that it is possible for him to break bones, by either grappling, holds, or blows. It is a thing that can be done by normal men and women, so Ken, being much stronger than average, is able to do.

Originally posted by Sado22
regular people cannot break bones with their blows (and i am not talking about blows on joints. Just blows.

Yes they can, Sado. Ironically, your examples below prove to be a false cause. It saves me a lot.

You don’t even need exceptional strength to break someone’s elbow.

Originally posted by Sado22
like a punch on the ribs,

You’re wrong here, Sado. It all depends on the body shape of the person they are striking in the first place and how much lower body musculature they have. Saying that a single punch in the ribs cannot possibly be done by ‘regular’ human beings is extremely naïve.

It’s unlikely that they’ll be able to do it, but it sure as hell is possible. The most exposed part of the ribcage for any opponent to strike is along your supper sides, underneath your arms. If someone placed a well-aimed hook to the lower part of your ribcage there with solid force, it can crack a rib, if not two. It doesn’t need to be repeated either, just a single punch.

Originally posted by Sado22
you punch on the face,

Possibly your worst point here, Sado.

Your face and head is probably your most vital place of protection in any fight, yes? Your face is the weak point in the fights here, that is undeniable. Strong people can break jaws with a single punch if their opponent is incapacitated. Their skeletal structure cannot take the torque stress. My girlfriend’s cousin got three molars knocked out and had to wear a jaw brace for six weeks, and this was one punch.

And what about the nose? Your nose is extremely sensitive, and cartilage can snap like a thin stick broken over your knee.

Originally posted by Sado22
punch on the chest etc.). ANd i DO mean ONE BLOW.

A punch in the center of the chest doesn’t do anything in terms of bone breaking, but one to the side has the potential to render an arm completely useless.

Collarbones are probably the most exposed bone in your chest. Lift your arm but keep it relaxed.
Stretch it in front of you. Feel that collarbone pressing against your skin? It only takes one solid punch, chop, elbow, whatever. If people with Tae Kwon Do training can shatter layers of hard oak boards, what chance do you think a collarbone would have if a accurate and crushing blow from a set of unyielding knuckles landed?

Originally posted by Sado22
-in fact the EVEN HEAVY weight boxers have not been able to do it on a regular basis.

But they’re professional boxers, Sado, they don’t aim to break someone’s jaw or rib or anything else. It’s still a sport, despite having combat in it, and it means following a precise and unbreakable set of rules.

They’re aiming to score points by landing hits on the head and body. There’s no bonus for breaking someone’s jaw to smithereens, it doesn’t make very well for sportsmanlike conduct, do you think? Besides, people wear protection when they box, gloves and leather padded helms and the sort. Getting punched with a boxing glove on is very different to a naked fist. It’s like choosing between being hit with a massive sandbag in the face vs. a hit with a sledgehammer in the face.

Originally posted by Sado22
The most that has ever been done in a match was break ribs, jaws and cause fractures and only after repeated blows to that body part.

As I said, Sado, it’s boxing.

People wear thickly padded gloves, not only to protect their hands but also to cushion the lethality behind their punches. Would you rather get punched in the face with a gloved hand or an ungloved one? The gloves are not designed for serious injury. The very fact that they managed to break anything at all to an opponent is tantamount to the massive amount of strength of the boxer.

Originally posted by Sado22
and these are NOT normal people. Jack Dempsey and Rocky Marciano are one of the very few people who have actually broken bones in bouts.

Yes, they have. What does this prove?

That it is possible for heavyweights in boxing gloves to actually break their fairly-matched opponent’s bones with the force of their blows while wearing cushioning gloves? It proves that their strength in punching was incredible but beyond that, zip and zilch.

Originally posted by Sado22
both of them are one of the strongest punchers of all time. Guess what? neither ever broke a bone unless they hit it repeatedly.

As I said before, Sado, it is particularly hard to break someone’s bone in a boxing match, which is a controlled and regulated environment.

Ken and Paul are not fighting with boxing, nor are they in a rule regulated environment. You’re comparing apples to bananas here. Besides, even if we followed your reasoning here it still means Ken can break bones. He just has to hit it repeatedly.

Originally posted by Sado22
-again to repeat paul can due to breaking down boulders and walls.

How many times must I repeat this: Ken’s abilities have nothing, absolutely nothing to do with Paul’s abilities. Bringing it up here is remarkably pointless.

Trying to prevent us “running around in circles”, eh?

Originally posted by Sado22
-why we don't go around assuming that Ken can is because if a person can perform such a feet it is always mentioned by Capcom.

Just about every single character in that game has the ability the capacity in them to be able to break bones, Sado. With the exception of people such as Sakura.

Do you expect Capcom to have to mention such a basic thing? Considering that ordinary, unnamed people around the world can do it in fights? Do they have to mention things like being able to throw a punch, do a straight kick against someone else? No, because those are basic things. So is breaking bones. With blows, not everyone, but I’m pretty sure the majority of the Street Fighter characters are able to break a jaw with a particularly strong kick, punch or an elbow.

Originally posted by Sado22
Cody for instance CAN break 50cm thicks walls. its in his profile. Why it is specifically mentioned is because he CAN do it?

No, the reason why it was mentioned is because Capcom considers it a physically impressive feat. The fact remains that being able to break a fifty-centimeter wall is a feat not normally accomplished by other normal people, is it? Which is why Capcom deigned to include that in Cody’s profile.

Shattering a half-meter wall is something no normal human can do. Breaking someone else’s bones isn’t.

DarkC -KMC THREAD KILLER-

Originally posted by Sado22
even the tiniest bits of physically impressive feats are mentioned: chunli doing 1000 squats every day, Zangief wrestling with bears, Gouki breaking Ayres rock etc. etc. etc.

I’m not talking about a physically impressive feat, Sado. I’m talking about Ken breaking bones here. You don’t need incredible leg strength, like with Chun Li to do something like that. Ordinary men and women can break bones, but they can’t do things which you listed here.

You’re making it a little bit of an overstatement on the last two examples too. Wrestling bears and breaking a massive rock formation, does not match anywhere close to something so mundane as fracturing another person’s bones.

Originally posted by Sado22
-besides all this, if Ken CAN do it, its not something to bet on since he's up against a superior grappler and employer of holds.

Which is something I’ve said more than once. I’ve said “Whether he can do it against Paul remains to be seen” and something else along those lines.

However, you were generalizing before by saying he couldn’t do it. Not just against Paul, you expressly said that he couldn’t do it.

Originally posted by Sado22
-AGAIN I CANNOT SPECIFY ANY MORE, that aside from holds and throws i am talking SPECIFICALLY of punches strong enough to shatter bones on impact.

Yes, ordinary people are strong enough to do things like break jaws or ribs or noses or tibia sometimes, etc, with blows alone. It simply depends on where the punch is placed. Why shouldn’t Ken be considered strong to do such a relatively simple feat considering what a lot of other characters can do, mentioned above.
Originally posted by Sado22
i can't make it more clear. and as stated Ken can't for reasons already mentioned.

No, you haven’t made it any ‘clearer’ than what you’ve been saying two pages ago. It hasn’t changed. He can, if ordinary people can do it in street fights and UFC, then Ken is able to against other people as well.
Originally posted by Sado22
-the part where i mentioned the Cyborg's jaw was in response to your mentioning "no one in tekken could"

I believe my actual line was a question, not a statement, and I was asking you how strong it would be considered by people in the Tekken world.

I didn’t say anything about how “no one in Tekken could”. You simply took it in a way that it was not intended to.

Originally posted by Sado22
you exaggerate and when i point out where you are wrong...,wham! NOW it is now merely "personal opinion".

It’s remarkably stupid to attempt to take a single silly insignificant adjective from what I describe something as is ‘exaggeration’, Sado. Would it have helped if I said “Rather”?

“Madly”? “Insanely”?
What would it take for you to not tag a non-derogatory adjective as exaggeration?

The thing about it is, you don’t see anyone ordinary, in either Tekken nor the real world, deliver four 360-degree kicks and a knee as fast as firing a semi-automatic pistol as fast as the finger can pull, then doing a tornado kick as fast as firing a full automatic weapon. It’s fast, crazy fast. There is absolutely no denying something like this. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang , b-b-b-bang. That’s what it sounds like, really. Bit silly way to put it, but you get the point here.

YouTube video

Tell me, Sado, why does the word “demonically” automatically translate as an exaggerating adjective to you?

Originally posted by Sado22
and if what i did is "capitalizing on a single nonimportant adjective"

Capitalizing on things that show examples or signs of hypocrisy, Sado. Like now, when you just accused me of exaggerating.

Two completely different things. Point being?
See below. I don’t know how you could say something like this:

what the hell have you been doing since day one?

And then right after tell me that I’m exaggerating.
Like hell, Sado. Like hell.

Like I’ve said, I haven’t been doing it since “day one”, it’s very clear that I’ve criticized others before this debate even started. As for the very first post in replying to you? Telling someone that they’re advent zealots to whatever game they are fans of is fairly presumptuous, and I’ve sarcastically pointed that out.

Originally posted by Sado22
oh and you better start considering it "your problem" when more than one person points that you are in error in something.

No, it still isn’t my problem, Sado. At all.
Telling someone that they have a ‘problem’ doesn’t mean that they do, it’s just in your opinion that they do. Why is it my problem, because other people tells me that I’m in error at something? Because I’m at fault in your mind here? That doesn’t mean anything to me. I’ve explained my points, that should be it.

I technically don’t have to, and won’t here, consider anything someone else says about me so try not to go about waving falsified banners and declaring that I have to.

Originally posted by Sado22
at the very least you can ponder over it.

I have, Sado. That’s how I decide it’s not my problem in the first place, see?

If X amount of people think I’m wrong for using point Y and I still think I’m right for using point Y, that’s not going to change anything. Not you, or this sad little attempt at an appeal to the majority to prove it so.

Originally posted by Sado22
as for blaming me for everything, lets see:
-you claim taht people are flaming in this threat and the first person you bring to light is ore-sama

Yes, people were flaming in this thread earlier. And by “people”, I mean you. The only person here I saw doing real flaming and bashing was you, correct? Which is why I deigned to bring it up in the first place.

I don’t blame someone initially unless I have a good reason, Sado, and I did. You were flaming, they weren’t. With the exception of Darkstorm calling you a “F*cktard” for implying that he’s part of the Street Fighter advent church, which in my opinion was a very stupid comment to make anyways.

DarkC -KMC THREAD KILLER-

Originally posted by Sado22
-you claim that reasonings are flawed, and once again you bring me into it.

Not all of them, Sado, just a lot of them.

For example, look at your “Has Ken been seen to do it? No” argument, which is positively dripping with fallacy.

Originally posted by Sado22
-you then claim people are overreacting and becoming too personal, and drag me into it AGAIN

Again, by “people” I mean you. Not others, you. Don’t pretend I ‘dragged’ you into this, because you slipped and fell in yourself.

And you were overreacting and taking it rather personally, really. Like I said, despite whatever things Remy or Darkstorm have done, at least they are behaving themselves somewhat in this thread. You aren’t. The other threads you mentioned are moot, they don’t count anymore.

As if all that didn’t count, you then blame me for dragging you into it when you asked the original question that I responded to. Seriously. Am I supposed to be a scapegoat or something?

Originally posted by Sado22
that is practically everything wrong with this threat in your eyes and guess what? my name is attached to all three of them.

True, Sado, and I wouldn’t have done otherwise if I didn’t think you deserved it.

See above for reasoning.

Originally posted by Sado22
assumptions? dear god...did you just assume?

Assume what, that you were smart enough to not realize that the incredibly silly feat I used would be lame purposely so that it wouldn’t be taken so literally or seriously? Yes, I assumed that there. So? Point being?

Well, congratulations, Sado, you proved my assumption wrong here.
You’re apparently not smart enough to distinguish if something so incredibly lame in appearance is meant to be taken seriously or if it isn’t.

Originally posted by Sado22
well, congrads DC, i have ASSUMED that you were new since i never saw you (reasonable really). unfortunately i was wrong. and so are you.

Yes, your guess was wrong. I, on the other hand?

What am I wrong for, Sado? Telling you that your guess that I was new was wrong?
That’s truth, Sado. If you meant that you’ve never seen me around, then say it instead of guessing that I’m new.

Originally posted by Sado22
so what is this: a hasty generalization? or lame reasoning? or utter nonsense?

It's as I said already, Sado, a hasty generalization. Are you trying to make fun of my logic terminology here?
Originally posted by Sado22
now you can moan and cry about me saying @$$

Ranting? Yes, at times. Complaining? Yes, at times.
Moaning? No. Crying? No.

Real classy, Sado. Get things right, I don’t use hyperboles when I refer to you.

Originally posted by Sado22
and try to associate all the bull you've been associating with everything else here.

I see, and this “bull” I’ve been apparently associating is what?

It’s really quite interesting and hypocritical to say something like this after me having to remind you repeatedly to stay on topic, stay on topic, try not to bring Paul into something where I am talking about Ken and only Ken, etc.

Tell me, Sado, what is this “bull” that I am apparently associating with, and what is this “everything else” that you refer to? Generalizations, that’s all I see this as.

Originally posted by Sado22
and correct me if i am wrong, but aren't you implying that i am stupid? is it not a flame?

Yes, actually, you are wrong here, Sado.

Declaring that someone else said something stupid isn’t implying that they are stupid. You need to learn that. I may be quick to point the finger too but at least I don’t form wild assumptions out of extremely remote things.

Originally posted by Sado22
who is playing the semantics game now?

You were, Sado, probably like 95% of the time. I did it as well once or twice, but at least I didn’t start throwing random “Show me where I said that” nonsense left and right like you were doing earlier. Personally I do not think you are in a position to accuse anyone of semantics, let alone me.

There were actually many times during this debate where I could have said something which was borderline semantics, but refrained since I accused you of it in the first place. I just let you continue on.

I refrain from using “show me where I said” semantics when I can, because when I do it purposely (without having to defend myself from a hasty accusation like you did above), I feel like it’s a stupid meaningless shortcut without any real content towards the debate. You can take it how you like, but I don’t recommend it as a debating tactic.

See the “Idiotic Debating Tactics” thread in the General Discussion Board.

Originally posted by Sado22
behind all that selfrighteousness, you need to fix a lot of things

Read above.

I don’t need to do anything, Sado, at all, let alone ‘fixing’ things that I don’t even feel need fixing. And yes, I am self-righteous. You are as well. Your point being?

Originally posted by Sado22
particularly the double standards.

Double standards? Not much of what I say is truly contradictory or hypocritical when I criticize you, Sado, if that’s what you mean.

I have not been continuously ignored or passed by when I’ve repeated to you that something is out of the topic at hand.
I have not directly insulted or flamed anyone other than implying a few things, which really aren’t exactly direct insults anyways.
I have not criticized you or jumped on your back without a given reason and explaining why.

Originally posted by Sado22
let me guess here.............you are an aquarius right? Born somewhere in Feb?

Something very easily seen via my profile, so I assume those are rhetorical questions.

Congratulations Sado, you have been awarded an “I’m a Perceptive Puppy!” badge.

Originally posted by Sado22
*senior level student in Electrical Engineering*
please don't lecuter me about "newtonian physics" okay? thanx.

I’ll lecture who I want, Sado.

I don’t care if you’re a senior student or a professor. I don’t even care if you’re a Nobel Prize winner. Supposed credentials mean absolutely nothing in a debate, which is why people rarely use them in debates. Darkstorm made a hasty claim too not long ago and he couldn’t prove it when I tested him. What am I supposed to do here, accede to you simply because you claim to have good credentials? You’re neither acting nor debating like a senior level student in Engineering and that isn’t exactly helping your supposed image, is it.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I don’t approve of authority anyways. And what you’re doing here is clearly an appeal to authority, which in this case, apparently yours.

Originally posted by Sado22
once again i'm not doing whatever it is that you're saying.

Yes, you are, Sado, otherwise I wouldn’t be saying it in the first place, see?
You said it yourself; physics are not ‘important’ in a duel between these two video game characters. They are very important.

Denying it won’t make it so.

Originally posted by Sado22
what i am saying is that phyics loses it impact in a videogame where people do impossible things like flying, burning their fists in flames, smacking boulders to bits.

Like I said before in my previous post, despite feats that appear to defy general laws of physics does not mean that they are not present in a way that directly affects the manner and the moves that Ken and Paul are able to bring into play. That’s them, Sado. Punches are still punches, kicks still are kicks, they’re simply very powerful is all. Those things you mentioned, they make the Tekken world rather unrealistic, but it is a world still governed by physics nonetheless.

The fundamental things that we’re talking about here regarding are still in existence, momentum, power, force, whatever. Those are still in existence. Physics doesn’t lose its impact at all, Sado, it’s either there or it isn’t. Sometimes it’s defied by a few individuals, but not the whole. There’s no ‘extent’ to which it is there or not. Even in incredibly unrealistic games or anime like Dragonball Z you still see people on Earth, before it was blown up, living what we would consider normal.

Originally posted by Sado22
its like bringing up the concepts of physics for an anime or something like that.

See above, Sado. It’s only “losing it’s impact” if the majority of the population, not just the characters, are doing unrealistic things such as flying or firing fireballs.
Originally posted by Sado22
to sum it up:
-if paul falls on his back from really high, no he wont die.
-if paul falls on his neck at a particularly angle that would break his neck, yes he will die. most probably anyway.

Define “really high”. Try to be more specific in physical aspects of things here.

If it was a two story building, he’d probably jump right back up. If it was a skyscraper he jumped off of, even someone with Paul’s strength couldn’t survive a fall like that without terrible injury. If it was an airplane at high altitude he jumped out of, they’d be mopping him off the tarmac with a squad of squeegee men.

DarkC -KMC THREAD KILLER-

Originally posted by Sado22
oh and just thought i'd point this out: i've broken neck after falling from a high place on a particular angle..............and i am typing here, talking to you and living a normal life. just something for you to ponder over.

What does that have to do with this fight, breaking a neck in a fall?

I’m fully aware of ordinary people having fractured their necks and have had a full recovery. However, this isn’t a controlled environment in which someone treats you like a cracked egg about to spill when you are injured that badly. If someone breaks their neck in a serious fight it’s pretty much automatically over anyways and top billing in the obituary.

Originally posted by Sado22
yes i do? do you understand what i am saying?
you haven't seen people engulf their hands in flames, or defeat bears, or crash through walls or shatter bullet proof armor with their fists, or be smashed in the ground and bounce back up or fall into ravines and not even suffer any bone damage have you?

The thing about those feats, Sado, is that they’re not exactly ordinary things. And they are committed by not so ordinary people. It doesn’t make the physics any less important. Physics is an integral factor in any real fighting game regardless of abilities, it’s either there or it isn’t, and in fighting matches, it is. I’ve already mentioned my DBZ example above, because it is wildly unrealistic in some aspects, shouldn’t have anything to do with fundamental Newtonian physics of movement. They’re tough, but they’re still following physics.

Those abilities that you mentioned are just that, wildly unrealistic but physics is still crucial to this fight, angles, vectors, whatever. Because of a few individuals accomplishing great things and doing death defying feats means that movement physics isn’t as vital? That’s an entirely false cause altogether.

Originally posted by Sado22
THAT is what i've been saying. look back...i already acknowledged that physics applies just not in the same way as we expect it to work in REAL life.

No, you were saying before that physics weren’t important. You even asked me why they should be important and taken to heart in a fight between these two gaming characters. You’re either lying through your teeth here or you changed your mind along the way.

Maybe they don’t apply to abilities such as fireballs, but what I’m talking about here is motion physics. Newtonian physics cannot explain fireballs, but does that mean that it cannot be I’ve said time and time again that physics applies the same way to movement, it shouldn’t change in a fighting videogame. The rules of physics remain the same. Manipulating fire, flying, armor piercing punches, those are simply ambiguities.

Originally posted by Sado22
its explanation.

Oh, so being simply explanation negates its factor as a rant? It’s still a rant, despite you attempting to explain it. I have told you why your ‘explanations’ are wrong, that’s all there is to it. Attempting to dress a rant up with tags that it’s an explanation is about as useful as a fish up a tree.

I was ranting too during that part where you kept bringing Paul up as a factor, and have explained my reasoning quite thoroughly, but I don’t try and disguise it up with a tag like “explanation” and pretend I’m not.

Originally posted by Sado22
like what you did when sonic or whatever called you an *******. we all do it.

What do you mean, like ‘what I did’? I didn’t rant, Sado, I didn’t even get seriously offended. It was FortressXRuler, not Sonic and I already knew that I had yanked his chain quite unpleasantly and decided to bite back any stupid retorts. I never once denied that I said something that he claimed that I did.

Here’s a summary, because it seems you are dreadfully misinformed on that particular incident. I asked him first reasonably, despite a clear, full out flame that annoyed me, if he had any good reason to call me a ***** prick. He didn’t at first, I gave him a dressing down and he admitted that his PS3 had broke. Fine, that was that, I wasn’t about to give him more burden about it because it would only make it worse.

Originally posted by Sado22
and here you are...blaming me for underestimating ken. so lets see:

I still have not changed my mind, Sado. Being part of the biased party here, you’re clearly downplaying Ken in your very first post in this thread. See below.

Saying that he’d put up a good fight doesn’t negate that. You were still doing it.

Originally posted by Sado22
-i defend Paul from lame accusations directly after a thread that you didn't go to

Yes, Sado, I’m not going to pretend that people weren’t grossly underplaying Paul here. They very clearly were. Defending Ken was the good and right thing to do on your part, but however, what we’re talking about here that you brought up has to do with your downplaying Ken, not anything to do with other people underplaying Paul. Don’t bring Paul up if it has nothing to do with what we’re discussing at hand.
Originally posted by Sado22
-i am accused of underestimating and offer explanation

Yes, you did, Sado, which I negated. I do not make accusations unless they are justified.
See below.
Originally posted by Sado22
-but my explanation are false because YOU think its a "i didn't do it" rant.

No, Sado, they’re not false because I think it’s a rant.

They’re false because I argued against it and provided my points, even if done dismissively. Saying something is a rant as an attempt to falsify explanations is a poor debating tactic.

Originally posted by Sado22
read over my explaination again and PROOVE to me that i did it.

Yes, you were, Sado, take a look at your first post in this thread.

winning a tourny with unheard, unnamed fighters and taking down school girls. not much accomplishments there.

First of all, it wasn’t one ‘tourney’, it was three. According to you.

Second of all, the name of it was ‘US Martial Arts Tournament’. Learn to address it properly instead of dismissively labelling it a mere 'tourney'.

Third, ‘taking down schoolgirls’ puts Ken in a very bad light, he was lightly sparring with Sakura and Karin, I think that’s who you’re referring to.
And besides, they’re not exactly pixies themselves, are they?

Fourth: “not much accomplishments there”. Says it all. Winning a tournament, why isn’t that much of an accomplishment?

That’s my proof.

Originally posted by Sado22
oh and ONE LAST THING. Hachi is a NORMAL PERSON. he has no bloodline and no devil powers.

I’m considered a ‘normal’ person. Does that mean I can get blown up by an android bomb, fall down a cliff without getting splattered, and survive underground for weeks without air, food, or water? Again, a very foolish thing to say. Think this one through. He knows he’s not normal.

He’s not even ‘normal’ in the world of Tekken, unless every single character or human in that game can survive being thrown down a cliff, etc. It is very clear that he is far from a simple human. Despite not having the Devil Gene like his relatives do, he is still incredibly powerful from what you’ve claimed, and now you’re simply dismissing that by saying he’s just a ‘normal person’? Hypocrisy and self-contraction.

Originally posted by Sado22
wanna talk of physics now?

We’re still talking about it, Sado, and you’re still wrong in that regard. See above.

You have not really proven to me anything in that topic besides that fireball conjuring doesn't follow physics.