I just wanted a happy ending with Will and Elizabeth 🙁 It was slightly disturbing., oh and Jack stabs the heart not Will and they all live happily ever after in singapore. Why? simply because that was one cool set!
(by happy I mean there is nothing *ahem* gross enough that it is left to the imagination, and it ends when they go ... somewhere ... and you DON'T see anything else!!!!!!)
Re: AWE Plot Holes - A Place to Vent your Frustrations
Originally posted by lovethemtigers
Why did Gov. Swann have to be murdered...and it's just weird how he shows up in the after world......What happened to Norrington. His part in AWE was just wasted. I hated the fact that he was murdered by Bootstrap...to what point and purpose????
Why is Jack's compass still not working in Davy's locker....because after DMC we know the reason was because of Elizabeth...but in AWE that doesnt seem to be the case anymore.....or so it would seem, until the very end.
try to clear u up..
Swann died bc it made liz hate beckett even more, and distrust norrie on sao feng's ship bc he may have had something to do with the killing. It also show's will's love for liz bc he holds her and asks if they can bring swann back.
norrie was murdered by bootstrap bc it shows that bootstarp is partly insane. i personally never liked norrie...
Jack's compass doesn't work? I never noticed that...
Yeah it spins around in the locker...might be something about the locker.
I agree that Swann had to die but I think the manner in which it was done and also the reasons given....could've been better.
I loved Norri and I think he could've had just a bit more time before being killed off. I agree that his death too was neccassary but I missed the bits with Swann and Norri that were cut...(I know that they had to cut them but still)
I like the ending for WE actually...I'm not evil or anything...not like I want them to wait 10 years but it made them different from other movie couples. It's so romantic that Elizabeth would wait for him for TEN YEARS!!
Like she would only wait for HIM for 10 years and not if it was anyone else...
Sparrabeth would have never worked. It was a Will/ Lizzie story from the start, and no offense, but I knew that, and I'm probably the youngest one on this forum... anyhow, I don't even know why I'm on this thread... I loved the whole movie. My friend said it was the best one yet, and although I liked DMC better, this one is 2nd best!!!
I have a theory.
Sort of. It's just something I've noticed.. Alot of people that like Willabeth and think they are cute and stuff are young. Like young young.. Idk but it just seems that way.
And I do think that, yeah, it was Willabeth from the start, but they screwed it up in the middle if they were planning on keeping it Willabeth.
I SMELL FISH! It comes in the form of re-shoots and people involved in the movie that were unhappy with it..
lol aw. he not a wicked old man! the whole trilogy was about being a pirate and a good man/woman too 🙂 and im not old 🙁 lol
I just wish they would've not dismissed the whole sparrabeth thing. if they had actually acknowledged anything happened it would be better.
Jack's ending kinda sucked. I was upset, then okay with it but now im upset with it again.
i love this thread. i didn't read everything, but I'll just make my own list anyways. you guys are brilliant and i am totally with you.
1. why the hell would Will risk the girl of his dreams and his future to save his skeezy father who abandoned him to go out with his drinking buddies, and then killed Norrington? Sheesh, his time had come, if Will's character had ANY logical continuity, he would never have risked Elizabeth to save his dad. no way, man.
2. Beckett. His whole character. All those twisty allusions they made about "marks" "ruling the sea" "pirate way coming to an end".... they wasted like 2 hours of screen time getting us all revved up to find out what all that meant, and then they totally SKIPPED IT!!!!!
3. What the HELL happened to Calypso????? That was just it for her? Majorly sloppy character arc, peoples. I can't even call it an arc.
4. (I just realized I am repeating my original review of the film... woops). Will and Elizabeth are fighting all throughout the film--- and betraying each other, and throwing their relationship away to save annoying fathers. So why, why, oh WHY in God's name do they suddenly decide to get married? i know they are both very spontaneous people, but it doesnt work with ANY character or plot arc. the scene was well done, but it doesnt fit with the rest of the film. you know in film 1, will and elizabeth have just had that dramatic fight type thingy below decks with the medallion, and then Will comes back up top and gives the heroic schpiel about "we have to fight" and Elizabeth gives him a sort of proud smile--- and that quick, simple moment is CRUCIAL to understanding how they rebuild their relationship and by the end of the film get engaged. There was NO MOMENT like that in film 3, and it totally wrecked the journey there, at least for me.
5. i cant talk about the bad-fan-fic honeymoon scene with them, or the strange lingerie that apparently pops out of the sea for their honeymoon pleasure, because some people on this site are so talented and have written scenes that are miles beyond that, and don't cheesify what ought to be a dramatic, satisfying, and meaningful conclusion to the "star crossed lovers". I think that random lingerie may be the biggest plot-hole in the film, actually. 😉
6. Jack's story. It doesn't complete. in any way. He's in love with Elizabeth to the point of dying in film 2, then suddenly, he doesn't really care. He's found his bravery and his "good man", then he throws it out the window because of 10 minutes in a desert (please, Jack. suck it up.) THERE IS SO, SO MUCH THEY COULD HAVE DONE HERE~!!!!!! Something, ANYTHING to tie up the tension with Elizabeth (and something that isn't a two line gimmick about it never working out, gag me.) Something, ANYTHING to suggest that the infamous Captain Jack Sparrow is still the same strong, mysterious, swoon-worthy rogue we all fell for originally. Something, ANYTHING to suggest that the most clever thing he is able to do onscreen isn't laying an EGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
7. wedding dress sank, fate intervened, but apparently, that was a "Just Kidding!" moment.
8. Davy Jones controlled the ocean THROUGH his kraken. HELLO!!!!! Without the kraken, he was like, a scary guy who could walk through walls, and that's it. the Kraken was his power. (that's what film 2 clearly stated, anyways) YET, in film 3, Beckett's achieved his goal and kills the kraken?????? WTF? Makes no sense--- without the kraken, Jones is just another fish face for Beckett to order around. Certainly not capable of any real damage, and definitely not helping Beckett control the sea.
9. Calypso the sea goddess can be imprisoned in a brig? WILL, ELIZABETH, AND JACK can escape those, for crying out loud. Yet she is just stuck there moping???? Once again, it's laughable.
10. Davy Jones doesn't kill Beckett? Why not? With Beckett dead, he could snatch the heart back and make off. MAKES NO SENSE.
11. WORST ONE FOR ME__________ : The ENTIRE royal navy, and the entire EITC fleet, turn around and leave the pirates alone after ONE SHIP is destroyed. Beckett dies and their 3 thousand ships turn around and go home?????? YEAH RIGHT. In any historical context, there would be 2nds and 3rds in command who would instantly step up and assume control, and they all had the same goal, to wipe out the pirates. They obviously had more than enough man-power to accomplish it. They would have stayed and finished the job, in any logical or historical story.
I have more, but I reckon that rant will last for a while. 🙂
Originally posted by IheartPocky
I have a theory.Sort of. It's just something I've noticed.. Alot of people that like Willabeth and think they are cute and stuff are young. Like young young.. Idk but it just seems that way.
And I do think that, yeah, it was Willabeth from the start, but they screwed it up in the middle if they were planning on keeping it Willabeth.
I SMELL FISH! It comes in the form of re-shoots and people involved in the movie that were unhappy with it..
i second that fishy smell floating around. maybe deleted scenes will provide some conclusion for some of these plot holes.
Originally posted by tee_pirategirl
Yeah it spins around in the locker...might be something about the locker.I agree that Swann had to die but I think the manner in which it was done and also the reasons given....could've been better.
I loved Norri and I think he could've had just a bit more time before being killed off. I agree that his death too was neccassary but I missed the bits with Swann and Norri that were cut...(I know that they had to cut them but still)
I like the ending for WE actually...I'm not evil or anything...not like I want them to wait 10 years but it made them different from other movie couples. It's so romantic that Elizabeth would wait for him for TEN YEARS!!
Like she would only wait for HIM for 10 years and not if it was anyone else...
sorry i know this is like my 4th post in a row, but i'm just supporting the amazing thread Tigers made. (cheers).
Tee pirate, I have to majorly disagree that its romantic to wait 10 years for someone. Elizabeth was so horny in film 2, she was ready to throw herself on Jack for heaven's sake (and probably should have... wink). So ONE TIME is going to slake that lust and allow her to be faithful for 10 years? Um, right.
Originally posted by katelovespirate
i love this thread. i didn't read everything, but I'll just make my own list anyways. you guys are brilliant and i am totally with you.1. why the hell would Will risk the girl of his dreams and his future to save his skeezy father who abandoned him to go out with his drinking buddies, and then killed Norrington? Sheesh, his time had come, if Will's character had ANY logical continuity, he would never have risked Elizabeth to save his dad. no way, man.
2. Beckett. His whole character. All those twisty allusions they made about "marks" "ruling the sea" "pirate way coming to an end".... they wasted like 2 hours of screen time getting us all revved up to find out what all that meant, and then they totally SKIPPED IT!!!!!
3. What the HELL happened to Calypso????? That was just it for her? Majorly sloppy character arc, peoples. I can't even call it an arc.
4. (I just realized I am repeating my original review of the film... woops). Will and Elizabeth are fighting all throughout the film--- and betraying each other, and throwing their relationship away to save annoying fathers. So why, why, oh WHY in God's name do they suddenly decide to get married? i know they are both very spontaneous people, but it doesnt work with ANY character or plot arc. the scene was well done, but it doesnt fit with the rest of the film. you know in film 1, will and elizabeth have just had that dramatic fight type thingy below decks with the medallion, and then Will comes back up top and gives the heroic schpiel about "we have to fight" and Elizabeth gives him a sort of proud smile--- and that quick, simple moment is CRUCIAL to understanding how they rebuild their relationship and by the end of the film get engaged. There was NO MOMENT like that in film 3, and it totally wrecked the journey there, at least for me.
5. i cant talk about the bad-fan-fic honeymoon scene with them, or the strange lingerie that apparently pops out of the sea for their honeymoon pleasure, because some people on this site are so talented and have written scenes that are miles beyond that, and don't cheesify what ought to be a dramatic, satisfying, and meaningful conclusion to the "star crossed lovers". I think that random lingerie may be the biggest plot-hole in the film, actually. 😉
6. Jack's story. It doesn't complete. in any way. He's in love with Elizabeth to the point of dying in film 2, then suddenly, he doesn't really care. He's found his bravery and his "good man", then he throws it out the window because of 10 minutes in a desert (please, Jack. suck it up.) THERE IS SO, SO MUCH THEY COULD HAVE DONE HERE~!!!!!! Something, ANYTHING to tie up the tension with Elizabeth (and something that isn't a two line gimmick about it never working out, gag me.) Something, ANYTHING to suggest that the infamous Captain Jack Sparrow is still the same strong, mysterious, swoon-worthy rogue we all fell for originally. Something, ANYTHING to suggest that the most clever thing he is able to do onscreen isn't laying an EGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
7. wedding dress sank, fate intervened, but apparently, that was a "Just Kidding!" moment.
8. Davy Jones controlled the ocean THROUGH his kraken. HELLO!!!!! Without the kraken, he was like, a scary guy who could walk through walls, and that's it. the Kraken was his power. (that's what film 2 clearly stated, anyways) YET, in film 3, Beckett's achieved his goal and kills the kraken?????? WTF? Makes no sense--- without the kraken, Jones is just another fish face for Beckett to order around. Certainly not capable of any real damage, and definitely not helping Beckett control the sea.
9. Calypso the sea goddess can be imprisoned in a brig? WILL, ELIZABETH, AND JACK can escape those, for crying out loud. Yet she is just stuck there moping???? Once again, it's laughable.
10. Davy Jones doesn't kill Beckett? Why not? With Beckett dead, he could snatch the heart back and make off. MAKES NO SENSE.
11. WORST ONE FOR ME__________ : The ENTIRE royal navy, and the entire EITC fleet, turn around and leave the pirates alone after ONE SHIP is destroyed. Beckett dies and their 3 thousand ships turn around and go home?????? YEAH RIGHT. In any historical context, there would be 2nds and 3rds in command who would instantly step up and assume control, and they all had the same goal, to wipe out the pirates. They obviously had more than enough man-power to accomplish it. They would have stayed and finished the job, in any logical or historical story.
I have more, but I reckon that rant will last for a while. 🙂
Kate...I love you...and I miss you..this is awesome....this is exactly what I am talking about....I soo agree with everything you say 100%!!!
I don't get the Tia Dalhma/Calypso story at all....
I don't get the Beckett story with Jack and their history....
I don't get how Elizabeth and Will are so mistrusting and hateful and then suddenly in the middle of a battle "marry me"...gag me...
so many Plot-Holes..thank you....
AWE should really stand for Awful Whelpy Ending....or something like that...
Originally posted by potcfan2003
Well the young realize that a wicked old man and Liz wouldn't work, and the old people (no offense) feel bad for the old man. that's my take on it.
Jack is a wicked old man.....what????? He's Captain Jack Sparrow and the first time I saw POTC i thought he was only about 30 and I thought Liz was about 22 - so not that big of an age difference....but sometimes age and love have nothing to do with it...Look at Demi Moore and Ash Kurtcher..she's in her 40's and he's in his 20's...
And 40 is not old.....but I guess it is to you....
and Will is a pansy, whelpy....too good to be true "Tool"
Originally posted by ivebeendepped43
yeah, ive been talking to Chiki on MSN and she says she is just really bugged by Johnny right now. i asked her why but she sais she doesnt wanna talk about it. shes sick of talking about him. but she thinks KMC is just getting worse because of AWE. and i cant say i disagree. i mean, i could never get tired of talking about him, but everyone is obsessing over AWE a bit..
Mina was on here the other day she posted on the Sparrabeth thread...but I think she's bugged by Johnny because he didn't want it to be Sparrabeth...he was all for how it ended for Jack....but that's just Johnny and I knew that in the back of my head..I kind of knew that based on everything I had been reading that Johnny didn't think Sparrabeth was how the movie should go....but then He shouldn't have made Jack look at Elizabeth the way he did.....his eyes are so expressive......but I can't be upset with Johnny...he's just way too beautiful...and I'm sure his reasonings were very well founded..
And for the record...as Much as I love Johnny..I did not enjoy the multiple Jack scene that much....i mean if there had been a few that would've been okay.....i didn't like the laying of the egg..or the goat thing...and I didn't enjoy the licking of the rock.....just a little too much over the top....
Originally posted by lovethemtigers
And for the record...as Much as I love Johnny..I did not enjoy the multiple Jack scene that much....i mean if there had been a few that would've been okay.....i didn't like the laying of the egg..or the goat thing...and I didn't enjoy the licking of the rock.....just a little too much over the top....
i hated that scene. nightmare after tacos, anyone? gah. gross. this was supposed to be a fun, swashbuckling SUMMER ACTION FLICK, not a monstrously depressing dali-esque swing into romeo and juliet meets king kong.
and i don't really love Johnny. I think he's kind of weird. brilliant actor, for sure, but i get annoyed when actors get all involved in the writing process and insist on having the final say in the ending. that's what they hire writers for. but hey, what do i know of that world.
lovethemtigers, i'm so glad we can share all our rantings together... 🙂 if chiki and lovelyone were here, we could really get things going.
AAHHHHHHH! Finally someone pointed this out.
Kate thank you for pointing out that it was weird that the whole fleet of EITC didn't wipe the pirates out after Becket died. I've been trying to say that the whole time.
And yes I agree that I DO NOT LIKE THE IDEA OF Elizabeth waiting for Will for TEN YEARS. Because I guess I think she just turned back to square one again. She went back to what she didn't want which was sitting around doing nothing instead of being a pirate which she proved she was in DMC!!!!!!!! YEESH!
But I was just saying for good measures that if the two choices of WE ending would be:
A) Bittersweet like the one we got.
B) sailing into the sunset as they made out
I would choose A cause I would throw up with B.
I'm so frustrated!! Tigers? Thanks for making this thread.
I LOVE Johnny(and his wierdness lol) and I think u all know that by now.(even though I agree that I don't like it when actors start snooping in the script) I knew he wouldn't want JE cause he just doesn't see Jack as a romantic character and wants to keep playing the pirate he was to begin with. That's what scares me that if they do a number four we will get the same performance and it'll start getting boring (I'll never get bored of Johnny as Jack but I meant other people)
I don't think he is THE ONLY ONE responsible for the none JE ending though cause I felt that T&T were leaning towards WE all along if you noticed.
I loved the multiple Jacks(different sides of captain Jack)...not the chicken or the goat though. and not the rock licking...I just didn't GET WHAT IT WAS THERE FOR??? Just to say Jack's gone crazy??
I'm sorry for ranting but that's what the thread is for right? I loved AWE when I looked past the plot and focused ONLY on the performances and the how great everything looked. But a good plot is the most important to me so I just end up annoyed again.