AWE Plot Holes - A Place to Vent your Frustrations

Originally posted by lovethemtigers
I kind of knew that based on everything I had been reading that Johnny didn't think Sparrabeth was how the movie should go....but then He shouldn't have made Jack look at Elizabeth the way he did.....his eyes are so expressive......but I can't be upset with Johnny...he's just way too beautiful...and I'm sure his reasonings were very well founded..

Sorry for the double post but I couldn't agree more!!!
He looks like a man revealing the wounds of his soal in that scene and then he puts on a grin as soon as Liz starts talking to him and I feel like he doesn't want to feel vulnerable in front of her...and that's even sadder.

I agree...his eyes were so expressive. I feel he wanted to stay true to the character and express that Elizabeth leaving did effect him...but that was just so sad!

hmmm....

i think i actually would have preferred w/l making out sailing away on a ship, as opposed to the ending chosen, because it would have at least left us with more of the feeling 1 left us with (which was cheesy, but in a good way). I was assuming that was how it would end (and though i disliked the coupling, im always up for fun, cheery romance endings) but it's like, NO ONE got what they wanted. W/Ls have nothing to look forward to except a middle-age get-to-know-you-and-our-fatherless-child awkward moment, and J/Eers didn't even get the desperately needed closure that would have been so simple and so meaningful to add to the film. BOGUS.

im going to see it again (i've only seen it once) because i feel sad that i was so excited and then disliked it so much... i feel like i need to give it one more chance, though since the story hasnt changed i doubt my feelings on it will. but i will try to shorthand the script so we can get back to doing our interpretation of it... hehehe.

I'm with you Kate...I've only seen it once and have no desire to see it again. I will get the DVD because hey, it's Captain Jack Sparrow...

I am very sad. At this time last year we were so full of excitement and possibilities..and now this. This emptiness. I guess this trilogy, this forum and eveyrthing about Pirates had become like a family, such a part of my life and for this movie to be such a HUGE...make that hugish disappointment.....i just feel so.....blah.......

That sounds so depressing! I feel so sad and insignficantly small!

[7. wedding dress sank, fate intervened, but apparently, that was a "Just Kidding!" moment. ]

Yep...DMC, the whole gist of it "just kidding"....a wedding interrupted, or FATE INTERVENES, Elizabeth hijacks a ship without firing a single shot..just like Jack...., the wedding dress sinks and then is followed by the "proposal" and curiosity conversation, the compass pointing to Jack after the Persuade Me scene and then again on the island, I mean I know all that has been explained..but when you watch it you think that is what is happening and especially because of everything developing or what we thought was developing between Jack and Liz, and don't forget Norrington saying "it's a curious thing, there was a time when I would have given anything for you to look like that while thinking about me"...meaning the way she looks when she thinks about Jack...see at this point Norrie has witnessed the compass and the persuade me conversation and he is quite aware of what is going on between jack and liz.....but then that was just dropped too......just kidding,,,not quite sure why Norrington had to say that to her.....just to tease us into thinking that it was possible i guess....so that when the kiss happened we would fall hook line and sinker......for something that never really was.....BITTER...very bitter.....

[9. Calypso the sea goddess can be imprisoned in a brig? WILL, ELIZABETH, AND JACK can escape those, for crying out loud. Yet she is just stuck there moping???? Once again, it's laughable. ]

True, I hadn't thought about this...but so very true and stupid...laughable like you say. The entire Calypso/Tia Dalhma story...ridiculous....why did they make such a big deal out of her in DMC, never really figured out why Jack was more worried about his front than his backside when facing Tia...and I hate how she grew into a Giant Creature and dispersed into a trillion crabs....i just wanted to crawl under my seat, like I was embarrased for the makers of the trilogy, like I owned it and couldn't believe that this is what they came up with....I guess I felt like I did own it since we had invested so much time in analyzing this dang movie/trilogy....

[2. Beckett. His whole character. All those twisty allusions they made about "marks" "ruling the sea" "pirate way coming to an end".... they wasted like 2 hours of screen time getting us all revved up to find out what all that meant, and then they totally SKIPPED IT!!!!!]

I know..I really thought we would hear about Jack's past and why Beckett hated Jack so much...and why Jack hated Beckett...and about Piracy coming to an end and all that stuff......"jack sparrow must find his place in the new world or perish".......good grief such hype for nothing...

they just rushed AWE and in their rush they blew it....but I guess they don't really care.....they made major bucks and all those Orli fans out there are happy with it.....just so they can see a "hot" will in a ripped red shirt with a scar on his chest nuzzling Elizabeth's knee on a beach..Pluzzeee......somebody just wake me from this nightmare and we can go back to May 2007 and start all over again.....

How about we go back to May 2006 instead?

How about that day when I watched the DMC trailer and felt so excited about the JE scenes I saw some one come up to me and shake me by the shoulder and tell me "GIRL!! Don't watch this movie! You'll fall in love and then have your heart broken."

Never mind though! I realized that if I could go back I would still watch DMC cause if we forget about AWE it was one of the bst movies in recent years.

When I stepped out of the theatre after watching DMC I had the sense that I wanted to watch it 100 more time again and I went to watch it the very next day. AWE didn't give me that sweet feeling. Instead left me with an emptiness in the bottom of my belly (I've seen it a lot pf times but I still get that feeling every time.)

I know what you mean Tigers...as I sat in the theatre watching AWE with my family I felt like it was MY movie. MY baby. And I was presenting it to them. I wanted to feel proud of it...to feel that all the analyzing and discussing we'd done hadn't gone to waste. Even though my family ended up loving it I myself felt it didn't step up to one and two.

DMC and COTBP had so much symbolism and hidden meanings and interpertations(wedding dress, fate intervenes, the heart shaped locker, JEs conversation, Jack rips Lizzie's corset...) and I don't see much of that woven in hidden meaning sin AWE. Do you guys see that?

The whole reason I loved pirates was that it seemed like a summer bluckbuster but beneath it, it was giving hidden messages of freedom and lopsided morality in smart subtle conversations, gestures and actions.

okay, i feel kind of bad. i don't want to imply that it wasn't a good film--- because it was, overall. Well made, well performed, good music (except that electric guitar part, um, whatever), all of it. Obviously it was brilliant, it did terrific at boxoffice.

It just didn't ring my bell right. My personal problems with the story are mainly emotive.

Definitely there were major plot holes, but most films have those. I could have overlooked those easily if the film had made me happier. 😉

I feel the same way about it, being my movie and stuff. I was embarrassed during the Tia transforming scene and I left feeling disappointed when everyone else really liked it or loved it even.

One of the things that I loved soooo much about Pirates 1 &2 was their endings. They were so exciting and just awesome. They left you with a smile on your face and a good feeling inside.. "Drink up me hearties yo ho" "What's become of my ship" And the credits pop up... AWE was sorta...la de da de da..

Originally posted by IheartPocky
One of the things that I loved soooo much about Pirates 1 &2 was their endings. They were so exciting and just awesome. They left you with a smile on your face and a good feeling inside.. "Drink up me hearties yo ho" "What's become of my ship" And the credits pop up... AWE was sorta...la de da de da..

I totally agree.
Pirates 1 was like "Aww that was sweet." or "That was so cool, I loved it" and such. Pirates 2 was like "Omg, so many amazing cliffhangers, I want more!" Pirates 3 was like "Um..okay? What next?" or "That was very sad. I feel a bit sick to my stomach now.."

Originally posted by tee_pirategirl
When I stepped out of the theatre after watching DMC I had the sense that I wanted to watch it 100 more time again and I went to watch it the very next day. AWE didn't give me that sweet feeling. Instead left me with an emptiness in the bottom of my belly (I've seen it a lot pf times but I still get that feeling every time.)

I know what you mean Tigers...as I sat in the theatre watching AWE with my family I felt like it was MY movie. MY baby. And I was presenting it to them. I wanted to feel proud of it...to feel that all the analyzing and discussing we'd done hadn't gone to waste. Even though my family ended up loving it I myself felt it didn't step up to one and two.

You hit the nail, baby! I felt cheated, as if I've just been dumped by my lover. I'm still feeling the pain and emptiness. I've never felt like this before for any movie. I can't explain it. Non-shipper family members think I'm crazy.

I still feel that there are so many holes in the J/E relationship. It bothers me so much.
I love how Jack's line in COTBP, "Stop blowing holes in my ship!" could be thought of as him yelling at the writers while they were writing AWE. It actually is HIS ship, because he's a part of it, and they needed to stop putting holes in it.
So it kind of has a double meaning. Lol, I don't know if that even makes sense. Hey, its 4AM.

😆 Great line.

Originally posted by tee_pirategirl
. When I stepped out of the theatre after watching DMC I had the sense that I wanted to watch it 100 more time again and I went to watch it the very next day.

I cried after dmc! Then my brother pointed out there was another 3 hours in which they could get back together. 😄

See...it's so sad...willabethers hated DMC and sparrabethers hated AWE...well, maybe not hate, hate is a strong word...more like disliked, felt uneasy.....

im a sparrabether and i loved AWE. I knew that it couldn't end J/E anyway, so i wasnt disappointed.

just saw it again (see, I tried!) and hated it twice as much. Between the lingerie, the conversation with knee and orgasm, the major frump outfit at the end, and the kissing every man in sight, Elizabeth was freakishly annoying.
the violence was out of control and totally unnecessary, and 7 full minutes were spent on shots of bursting wood smitherines during battles. i was actually embarrassed to watch most of it.

thank goodness for Gibbs and Barbossa.

HAHAHA!!! "Stop blowing holes in my ship!!" I'll be sure to yell that at T&T if I ever see them!!

But I'd accepted that JE wouldn't happen and I was just looking forward to seeing a great movie and get closure in the end and I didn't get the closure and I got upset. (I just love one and two more)

I didn't enjoy the romantic aspect of the plot and all the 'holes'...but I loved the performances, music, CGI and some of the lines were real classics.

Yes I DID feel VERY unseasy but...I still loved MOST of the things except for the ending. I loved every scene as a stand alone until we reached all the WE flufiness which I really don't think was even DONE very well.

Ok so maybe that's my JEness talking. Maybe it was really good and I can't see it but it wasn't my cup of tea.

Sorry for the double post but...crossed swords in the sand to make us understand what was happening? PUH-LEEEZ!

okay....so here's what I like about AWE:

Captain Jack Sparrow, Barbossa, Gibbs.....

I was embarrased by the Multiple Jack Scene...I mean I was okay with him shooting the guy eating the peanut, and stabbing the "good" jack that got them into that mess in the first place....but I didn't like the chicken egg layin thing and the goat.....

I liked when Jack said "Gentleman, I wash my hands of this weirdness" and jumps down off the Pearl and onto the sand.....

I like when jack sails in on the mast of the Pearl over the dunes and then walks up to the crew in Purgatory...and the way he walks back to Gibbs after seeing LIzzy and says "The Locker, you say?"

I like when Jack shoots himself in the cannon and says "If I wasnt (mad), then this would never work"...and then when he lands on the Pearl's Mast and says "and that was without a drop of rum"....

I love how tough and stoic he looks walking on the beach at Parlay and the way he tells Liz "Listen to the Tool" when refereing to Will.......and the way he bows to her and says "As you command" and then switches sides with Will....

I hated the multiple Jacks in the FD brig...I was embarrased by that part...

and of course I hated when WIll and Liz talk down in the hole of the Pearl about trust and how she killed Jack..and I hated the stupid Wedding in the middle of the battle...and by the way...Liz and Will aren't really married...one must be Captain of a Ship to marry someone in holy matrimony and Jack is Captain of the Black Pearl not Barbossa.....

and don't even get me started on that disgusting Love Scene sex on the beach scene.....I swear...that was torture to sit through.....

Okay...so the more I talk about this trilogy that I hold so near and dear to my heart...until AWE....I am highly confused as to what they did with Jack.....and why would Johnny agree to portray him so....I mean really...he was barely in the movie compared to one and two.....and that right there is reason enough for me to dislike AWE.....

So many Plot Holes..and not enough substance...I really can't relate to those that say this was an awesome, great movie.....it could have been..it had so much potential.......but failed...I can't believe it's 5th on the all-time money grossing movies......

Originally posted by tee_pirategirl
Sorry for the double post but...crossed swords in the sand to make us understand what was happening? PUH-LEEEZ!

sorry I double and triple posts sometimes...but so many thoughts cross my mind at one time and I want to express them....but these double crossed swords in the sand...was like a knife to my soul.....