Originally posted by brainchild81
Of course he was. Spidey kept beating him down to keep him from doing so. It's quite obvious honestly.
Clearly it's not.
Points that go against this "obvious" interpretation?
1. Wolverine has a full gaurd up. While Spiderman's prepping to start his own offensive, Wolverine states, "here it comes". This can easily be interpreted to mean that he was preparing himself to be hit by Spiderman and not a threat since he's been on the offensive for a short while already.
2. Wolverine's gaurd is up in front of his face, Spiderman throws a straight shot, and Wolverine's arms are nowhere in sight.
3. When Spiderman's planted Wolverine into the tombstone, Wolverine is smiling at him, this is clearly a sign that he isn't taking this fight as serious as he could be.
4. When Spiderman punches Wolverine the second time into the tombstone we see one of Wolverine's hands are open but in the next shot we see Wolverine's arms are flexed, both hands clenched into fists, showing he had some control over what they were doing.
5. He's being hit by a man who can pench press trucks, yet Wolverine's arms are not flailing all over the place, instead they are kept at his sides, shown to be rocketing back and forth the distance of no more than half his fist, another sign of control over his limbs.
6. The only argument you can make to say Wolverine was trying to get up was a comment made by Spiderman in "I'm trying to convince him to lie down, he starts to get the message" in which the ideal of an effective attack is immediately contradicted by his next comment in "I can't get him to stop smiling".
7. Wolverine's been able to have control over his limbs when Spiderman beat on him in the Avengers tower.
8. Wolverine was able to defend himself while Hulk was pounding away at him.
he wasn't trying to get up, he may have not been keeling over for Spiderman, but he wasn't doing anything to stop the assault on his face.
All evidence, considered it's likely he welcomed it.
Originally posted by brainchild81
What did Wolvie want to do? Get up.
Speculation on your part, another person might say that he wanted Peter to tire himself out, so that he wouldn't have to hurt the kid, it's fairly obvious he had no intention of actually using the claws on Parker as he had three oportunities to do so and took advantage of none of them.
Originally posted by brainchild81
That's why Spidey had to stay on him & "convince him to stay down".
Spiderman was trying to take him out of the fight, he saw that it wasn't working, Spiderman trying to KO Logan and seeing that it isn't working doesn't mean Logan was using the best of his abilities or even minimal effort to put a break in the action to get himself up.
Originally posted by brainchild81
What did Wolvie do as soon as Spidey LET him? Get up. Come on now.
Would you expect Wolverine to lie in that tombstone instead now? 🤨 Of course he got up, he had no intention of taking a nap on the grass, but as soon as he figured Peter pooped himself out, he decided it was time for a threat down. Come on as you would say.
Originally posted by brainchild81
It's not easy to get up when somebody faster than you & waaaaaaaaaaay stronger is on top of you punching you in the face.
it IS easy however to take a swipe at their face and get them to back off for 2 seconds allowing you to spring up when their waaaaaaay stronger punches aren't doing anything to you. 😐
Originally posted by brainchild81
If Wolvie could have done something about it, he would have.
No, if Wolverine WANTED to do something about it, he would have. he wasn't out to kill or mame spiderman it's that simple.
he had three chances and he took advantage of none of them.
I mean seriously, "come on"
Where as classic Spiderman is concerned, Spiderman's best feat of avoiding Logan comes from this and Secret Wars, yet in the comic immediately after this one Wolverine snagged Spiderman's clothing faster than Peter could even react to it, Wolverine has grabbed Spiderman by the throat and slammed his head into a tree, he's back fisted Spiderman accross a rooftop, kicked him in the gut and had him at claw point, and he's backflipped kicked parker the groin.
Since dissassembled and Spiderman's whahoho upgrades Wolverine's stabbed Spiderman, grabbed him and launched him out of the way of an oncoming car, STABBED him in the gut, grabbed him by the throat again, and tackled him and threatened him at claw point AGAIN.
And in spite of all your excuses, Spiderman had a fully functional Spiderman Sense, and his supposedly 40x faster than human reaction speeds and they availed him nothing.... Whether it's because Wolverine's THAT fast or he's THAT good, or Spiderman's CIS played against him like it does 99.9% of the time, Spiderman had no outside circumstances going against him in those scenarios that made him physically less capible.
The two times that Spiderman's ever successfully evaded Logan have been the two times that Logan has made it a point to try not to hurt Spiderman. Doesn't that tell you something?
Yet again, you grasp onto this gravyard incident like grim death and prey that Wolverine couldn't do anything to Spiderman even when it's obvious he wasn't trying. Well nothing I say can convince you and frankly feats speak louder than words or excuses, and you can tell me that Spiderman's untouchable to Logan all you like but my response is still going to be the same:
