Fruit of the vine: Did Jesus drink fermented (i.e. alcoholic) wine?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Prove it.

I was replying to this:

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I plead the fifth.

You know that any time someone pleads the fifth, they are guilty but don't want to testify against themselves.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You know that any time someone pleads the fifth, they are guilty but don't want to testify against themselves.

Not always true. A good prosecutor can make an innocent person look totally guilty.

Its a burden of the state, and you don't have to help them. And if the prosecution says that, a mistrial is declared.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I was replying to this:

You know that any time someone pleads the fifth, they are guilty but don't want to testify against themselves.

But I am merely exercising my constitutional right.

😂

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
But I am merely exercising my constitutional right.

😂

The Fifth doesn't actually apply here because you're not under oath in a court of law.

So answer the question: do you drink? (hint: Nobody will hold it against you)

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
The Fifth doesn't actually apply here because you're not under oath in a court of law.

So answer the question: do you drink? (hint: Nobody will hold it against you)

The fifth does apply.

😄

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The fifth does apply.

😄

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The fifth does apply.

😄

So, you drink...

Is drinking a sin?

Originally posted by Boris
Is drinking a sin?

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
According to JIA, yes. According to the Bible, it is in debate.

Then Jesus sinned. 😱 Or maybe drinking is not a sin, but over drinking is.

Marriage at Cana, debate ended.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Marriage at Cana, debate ended.

Explain please. 🙂

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Explain please. 🙂

Jesus (at the behest of Mary) changed water into wine, he wouldn't A) makes wine if it was a Sin, or B) Go on to drink it if it was a Sin.

Mary wouldn't have requested it if it was a sin either.

Originally posted by Boris
Is drinking a sin?

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
According to JIA, yes. According to the Bible, it is in debate.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Jesus (at the behest of Mary) changed water into wine, he wouldn't A) makes wine if it was a Sin, or B) Go on to drink it if it was a Sin.

Mary wouldn't have requested it if it was a sin either.

According to JIA it was grape juice. What do you say?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
According to JIA it was grape juice. What do you say?

It wasn't.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
It wasn't.

Can you give some support that JIA will listen too? I agree with you in that I think it was wine with alcohol in it, but JIA will not believe me. But I could tell him that the sky is blue and he would not believe me. 😆

According to the biblical and traditional witness, (1) alcohol is a good gift of God that is rightly used for making the heart merry, and (2) while its dangers are real, it may be used wisely and moderately rather than being shunned or prohibited because of potential abuse. Moderationism holds that temperance (that is, moderation or self-control) in all of one's behavior, not abstinence, is the biblical norm.

"[W]e must not ... reject [or] condemn anything because it is abused.... [W]ine and women bring many a man to misery and make a fool of him (Ecclus. 19:2; 31:30); so [we would need to] kill all the women and pour out all the wine." Martin Luther

In dealing with drunkenness at the love feast in Corinth, St. Paul does not require total abstinence from drink but love for one another that would express itself in moderate, selfless behavior

Probably is a sin.. but who cares.

Drinking is hella fun.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The fifth does apply.

😄

cheers