Originally posted by debbiejo
I sure wish I had my concordance, but I have just moved and it's in storage,...Yet this is true.
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Originally posted by JesusIsAliveThat is where you are assuming and your view is skewed, even in your own faith they debate if it was wine or grape juice so how can you be so sure that it was or wasn't. Even the references in the Bible that you and I have posted contradict each other. That part that I selectively read is what I'm referring to and is very important to the rest of the article is that they are making a post that it could be.
You are reading selectively, besides Jesus would not do anything that raises any suspicion about His character or sinlessness. Jesus lived a sinless life; therefore, all suppositions about whether He drank or made alcoholic wine would be centered on the axis of His sinlessness.
Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
That is where you are assuming and your view is skewed, even in your own faith they debate if it was wine or grape juice so how can you be so sure that it was or wasn't. Even the references in the Bible that you and I have posted contradict each other. That part that I selectively read is what I'm referring to and is very important to the rest of the article is that they are making a post that it could be.
Because I know Jesus. Don't you know your wife? Would you assume that your wife would do anything unbecoming of her? The principle is the same here. The Bibles states that Jesus never sinned.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveNo you don't know Jesus because you only read about him, and others of your faith that "know" Jesus said that it is OK to drink just not get drunk. Why do you feel that you are do right and other that belief and know Jesus say different? If you simply say that you feel this way or I think, that would be different but you do not use these terms.
Because I know Jesus. Don't you know your wife? Would you assume that your wife would do anything unbecoming of her? The principle is the same here. The Bibles states that Jesus never sinned.
For your assumption to be valid drinking would have to be a sin, and that is what is in question in the Bible and in your faith is if drink is a sin or getting drunk is a sin so until your faith or God comes down and re-writes the Bible and says different that statement is incorrect.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
There were ways just because you are not aware of them does not negate them (not to mention that the Romans perhaps did it).
There is a legend that the Romans knew how to preserve grape juice, but it has been tested and it does not work. Also the Jews would not use a Roman method that called on their gods to help them.
Re: Fruit of the vine: Did Jesus drink fermented (i.e. alcoholic) wine?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Matthew 26:29
But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father’s kingdom.”Mark 14:25
Assuredly, I say to you, I will no longer drink of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God.”Luke 22:18
for I say to you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes
That has got to be some really, really old wine by now.
Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
No you don't know Jesus because you only read about him, and others of your faith that "know" Jesus said that it is OK to drink just not get drunk. Why do you feel that you are do right and other that belief and know Jesus say different? If you simply say that you feel this way or I think, that would be different but you do not use these terms.For your assumption to be valid drinking would have to be a sin, and that is what is in question in the Bible and in your faith is if drink is a sin or getting drunk is a sin so until your faith or God comes down and re-writes the Bible and says different that statement is incorrect.
To some people drinking is a sin. Again, the Bible clearly states that Jesus drank fruit of the vine (i.e. grape juice).
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Because I know Jesus. Don't you know your wife? Would you assume that your wife would do anything unbecoming of her? The principle is the same here. The Bibles states that Jesus never sinned.
You don't know Jesus. And you certainly don't know him like you know your wife.
From a Christian point of view, if you knew Jesus you wouldn't always assume you are always above other religeons and beliefs. And you wouldn't be constantly informing people that you knew him and that they should just take your word for it.
And from any other point of view, you don't know somebody until you have met them.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
To some people drinking is a sin. Again, the Bible clearly states that Jesus drank fruit of the vine (i.e. grape juice).
fruit of the vine = wine not grape juice
wine = alcohol
Jesus drank the fruit of the vine = Jesus drank alcohol.
You can rationalize all you like, but a fact is a fact.
Originally posted by Quark_666
You don't know Jesus. And you certainly don't know him like you know your wife.From a Christian point of view, if you knew Jesus you wouldn't always assume you are always above other religeons and beliefs. And you wouldn't be constantly informing people that you knew him and that they should just take your word for it.
And from any other point of view, you don't know somebody until you have met them.
Like I said I know Jesus. I have not constantly informed anyone of knowing Jesus. I wrote that to PITT_HAPPENS because it was apropos.