It's not just that he force pushed a quasi-droid, it was the speed he hurled him into the air, the power with which he hit the ceiling, the distance he went up into the air, and when taking into account that the attack was performed in a furious combat situation, that the attack really didn't require too much effort, and the fact that gravity was working against him, it's quite clearly a tremendous display of the force, and what's 'sily' is people attempting to downplay it, by pointing out that grievous has no defence to TK.
Again, you seem to be glossing over things.
1. Hurling things that quickly is not exclusive to Obi-Wan; nearly every Jedi of Knight level and higher has that kind of Force control. If anything, the speed has little to do with its impressiveness, seeing as Grievous put up exactly 0% resistance to the attack.
2. Grievous can't counter a Force attack; Sith and Jedi can. This is apparent both in EU (Which you should read if you intend to debate here; ignorance is not an excuse for holding a poor opinion) and the movies. We can see Obi-Wan in a furious combat situation defending against Anakin Skywalker's Force attack. Not easily, but it was done. In a combat scenario against someone who has previously owned him, Obi-Wan was unable to do the same to Dooku twice. So it goes to stand that either Obi-Wan was incapable, or he was just so absorbed in his own uberness that he didn't bother to try. I don't think the latter makes any sense, do you?
Also, could you people please quit the name dropping, I have no idea who the hell Kit Fisto or Assaj Ventress are, so if you have a point to make, try being more elaborate.
FFS, you have access to the internet, and I have to educate you? How lazy is that? Use Google. Use Wikipedia. Go to the library and pick up one of the dozens of Clone Wars era novels. You have no excuse for not being able to know who they are, even in the vaguest sense.
No Janus, the burden of proof is not on me, I was never the one making the claims, I was just simply asking for proof for the claims that were being thrown around, so it's not up to me to substantiate jack.
No, it's actually on you because you preposed that Obi-Wan was a Force wizard because he can Force-push a cyborg who has no defense against such an attack while Dooku basically tooled his ass. You made the stance, prove it or drop it.
I find these comments especially ridiculous given that not only do I technically not have to substantiate jack, but how the hell is it anywhere near necessary to prove that bullsh1t when all that's being discussed is how Obi-Wan stacks up to Dooku in the force? Nobody's making a case for Obi-Wan being the most powerful force user ever here, come on now, pay attention.
Funny, I seem to recall this being said:
LMAO!! laughing laughingEdit: BTW, what proof is there exactly for Obi-Wan's supposed inferiority to Dooku in the force?
That was you.
You asked for proof of inferiority instead of proving the opposite. You are subtley making a stance that the comparison is incorrect, but then shouldering the burden on everyone else. And then you just ignore their points and what is evident.
Urm, the point I was making earlier that Faunus apparently didn't get was that Jedi -- while they have access to powers such as TK which can be used for many different functions, such as attack -- aren't trained to use the force offensively. This is made especially clear through Yoda's words to Luke in ESB:YODA: You will know. When you are calm, at peace. Passive. A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack.
No, they're trained to use Force powers defensively. Which means that Jedi should have adequate means of defending against Force attacks. And they do. Yoda defends against both Dooku and Sidious' Force attacks and wins, but this is a nod towards his mastery, experience, and power. Obi-Wan is able to get an adequate defense in on Anakin, who has more raw power than he does even in the heat of combat.
But at the same time, Obi-Wan was Dooku's sock puppet.
So either you're making the assumption that Obi-Wan suddenly forgot one of the defensive Jedi tenets (Which would be ludicrous because everything about the Jedi from his fighting style to his mindset is defensive), or you need to accept that he was overpowered.
Which is why simply pointing out that Dooku has owned trained jedi with the force is not definite in proving that he's superior to Obi-Wan in the force. Try again.
On the contrary- Dooku has severely owned well trained Jedi with the Force and stood up to Yoda in a Force duel which few if any can ever lay claim to (Really, only Sidious). If you suppose that Obi-Wan was "never in that position" and thus can't be judged on the same terms, you have to fold your hand. Although the fact is that Obi-Wan was in fights with Jedi in the Expanded Universe material and even in those cases he never outperformed Dooku's show and mastery of the Force, period. So your point comes to nothing.
LMAO. So Dooku simply rips tiny chunks out of the ceiling, and throws them down at really not too great a speed. This compares... how?
I suggest you watch that scene again. Dooku rips the ceiling apart with minimal effort and lets it drop on Yoda's head. This isn't like he's chipping away at a ceramic mug with a feather duster; he ripped the damn thing into chunks. Obi-Wan hasn't done anything even remotely that destructive or powerful. Certainly, Force pushing Grievous is not the same as having the destructive power to rip a stone ceiling apart. If you think otherwise, I suggest you finish high school science first.
Oh wow, so Dooku simply messed up the foundations of that crane, which in turn made the crane begin to fall over to the side. This compares... how?
He twisted and ripped it. It IS metal, you know. Have you ever ripped or twisted metal with your bare hands? Doubt it. Certainly don't see Obi-Wan doing that with the Force either. Nice try though.
From what I've seen in this thread, Dooku's supposed superiority is based on him overpowering Obi-Wan with the force twice in their RotS duel. However, what people seem to have ignored is that Dooku was only able to overpower Obi-Wan while they were both saber dueling, and while Obi-Wan was concentrating on Dooku's blade. So really, where exactly is the defence there? How exactly is Obi-Wan supposed to anticipate Dooku attempting such a force manoeuvre when the darkside was preventing him from being able to see into the future? How could Obi-Wan have possible put up a proper defence, let alone one to perfect efficiency? If anything, all it speaks for is a superiority in dueling ability/tactics/concentration, not force strength/mastery.
Funny. He was able to somehow come up with a defense while fighting Anakin in a longer, more emotionally intense battle which was tens times more in his face style. I guess he just suddenly gained a level in Force defense after Dooku? Or are you being just daft?