No reason? Saying that the thing someone believes in, grew up with, whole family follows is absurd can easily be offensive. Hell if I said that to some Muslims about the Quran they'd... well... they got pretty pissed. >__>
Take offense = its offensive. Being insecure has little to do with it, cant tell me the girl Nemesis spoke of should have been more secure with her sexuality so not to take offense to his joke.
That's another misconception. Commonly, Muslims aren't at all sensitive about their faith nor how some view the Qur'an. It is in fact a very friendly religion and so are the followers 🙂 If you take offense in a joke made towards your religion as a Muslim (or Christian) it is not because you respect God. It's because you're insecure about your belief and consider the joke threatening.
It's no different from joking about a nation, childhood or literature at all 😛
Originally posted by Peach
Except there is absolutely no reason why someone should be offended by someone else not believing in their religion, and finding the out-dated and contradictory teachings in the book silly, unless they are exceptionally insecure in their belief.
Giggle.
If I like a book and you were to call it silly, I would try and argue how it is a good book and highlight the qualities about it that make it good. However, I would ultimately have to accept your comment and reason that different strokes for different blokes.
Now make that book the center of a religion that has changed the world that is still praised and worshiped today and you run a great chance of offending people. Sort of like if I said I thought Martin Luther King Jr. was silly.
Intent is fine. I was merely pointing out that it could be offensive.
I do like the fact that people pick on the bible for having contradictions. The book that has tons of different authors who've written from different time periods about things they could not possibly know fully about has contradictions? Well huh, tan my hide.
Edit: Speaking of Muslims, I will point out that one of my Uncles went to Israel not too long ago and apparently it was illegal to have a bible in some places. So....not as friendly as I've heard before. Then again, I have only his word to go by so meh.
Originally posted by Pinkie Pie
That's another misconception. Commonly, Muslims aren't at all sensitive about their faith nor how some view the Qur'an. It is in fact a very friendly religion and so are the followers 🙂 If you take offense in a joke made towards your religion as a Muslim (or Christian) it is not because you respect God. It's because you're insecure about your belief and consider the joke threatening.It's no different from joking about a nation, childhood or literature at all 😛
..what about sexual preferences then? :3
Originally posted by Pinkie Pie
If you take offense in a joke made towards your religion as a Muslim (or Christian) it is not because you respect God. It's because you're insecure about your belief and consider the joke threatening.It's no different from joking about a nation, childhood or literature at all 😛
lolwut?
No seriously, what? haermm
Why is it so terrible to be critical of the Bible? It's a book like any other. Holy or not, it is written by man and man is flawed. I know it, you know it, God knows it. There's nothing in the Bible nor the Qur'an about not joking 😛 I spoke to a Muslim as late as today who actually didn't know for sure that strict followers of the Qur'an would go to paradise, because of how biased human authors can be and how things can get lost in translation. Not fully relevant but I thought it an interesting thing to add 🙂
If it is illegal to have a Bible, then someone has not done their homework. The Qur'an ask of you to respect the other Abrahamic faiths, because the Qur'an include Jewish and Christian 'prophets' and therefore they aren't false. Just ill-informed or lost.
Originally posted by BloodRain
:V I was making a real life example, Pinkie...what about sexual preferences then? :3
Joking about sexual preferences is alright. Same as with everything. There's a line between what's joking and what's provoking though. People don't take offense in jokes. People take offense in ignorance, bigotry and derogatory however ✅
- Why don't gay men want to become astronauts?
- Because space is endless.
Originally posted by Pinkie Pie
Why is it so terrible to be critical of the Bible? It's a book like any other.
It's not terrible. It is just offensive to some. And no, the bible is not like any other book, with the obvious exceptions being other religious/historical texts. People grow up in places where the lessons of the bible are force fed to them and to some it is a very very important part of their lives. Calling it silly can be offensive to some which is where the X-factor known as people come into play.
You've used the example of a Christian friend to defend yourself. Which is fine but inherently flawed. I have a black friend with whom I can make racist jokes and it won't be awkward at all. Does that make my joke less offensive to any other black guy? No, not at all.
Originally posted by Pinkie Pie
You'll need to be more specific 😛
Jokes can be offensive for several reasons. Not just because of insecurity. 😮
Life is very important to me. I still laugh to stand-up comedians who make fun of it. True stuff is the funniest stuff, it's said. My friend is the perfect example for this. Not flawed. She is a devoted Christian. She loves God and she lives by the Bible, yet we laugh about all kinds of things. I have quite the armory of distasteful jokes and she and I have a good time with them. She even tells a great deal of them herself. There's nothing wrong with joking about religion, same as there not being anything wrong about being critical of the Holy Book or calling it silly 🙂
Since we'll get nowhere discussing a void topic, can you share some examples of what's offensive?
The key word there is "friend." Yes you can joke around with topics with friends because they're your friends and they won't care in the slightest. But are you with friends right now? No, you're posting on an internet forum where people do not know you in real life. If a devout Christian person who was not your friend read that comment and thought it was offensive, would they be wrong?
And I'd prefer to drop it all together. I has to go. 😛
Words don't mean different things no matter who says them. You're either sensitive to jokes of a certain field or you're not. There's a time and a place for any joke though. It's an art to get them right. If I am able to joke with a devotee or this devotee is able to joke in general about her belief, then obviously there's not something innate offensive about the joke. It's just a joke 🙂
Now. I'd like to point out that I disagree with you. I view you and the rest of the people here as friends. I suppose it could be that I'm not as picky with filtering friends as other people, but that's a topic for another time.
The person reading the comment and finding it offensive isn't wrong for thinking so. What's wrong however is saying that it's an offensive comment. It's not. Silly is not even a demeaning word. It does not in any way invalidate or insult the book. The academic meaning of the word does not offend the name of God nor the text in which his name is written 🙂
Allow me to demonstrate. Homosexuality is a sensitive topic within Christianity, correct? False. There's Christians who has made it so. It's not like I'm joking about God's existence. I actually have a good example where the three worlds meet:
A time ago, I was at my friends place. We intended to watch a movie night and simply waited for our third to arrive. Homosexual. Upon arrival, I howled "Homosexual. By fire be purged!" to satirize the foolery of hating homosexuals as a Christian. My Christian comrade replied with "I'll get the oil" to which the third replied "I'm not worth going to Hell over"
What's my point, you might wonder? There's a time, a place and a crowd for everything. I wouldn't repeat the scenario in Church for example, because Church is a time and a place to respect the name of God in a crowd of equal minded. That doesn't mean it's any less of a joke, nor any more offensive. Just that it's an inappropriate situation.
My point is also that it's the individual that take offense. Not the group of people. That means the problem is on an individual level. I can say "Hitler" without anything else and I promise that there's a Jew out there who'll take offense.
Another example would be this: I'm a greeter. I greet everyone I meet. I'm a very interactive person who doesn't mind physical contact nor a dialogue with a stranger. During my time on the bus on Christmas day, a handsome middle-aged man lost balance and fell backwards. I caught him and uttered "Merry Christmas to me" with a giggle as I tried stabilizing him. He growled and aggressively pulled his shoulder away, then exited the bus 😛
People take offense for all kinds of things. It's not the jokes fault.
Originally posted by Peach
Oh please. It is not offensive to call the bible a "silly book" (which it is - it's really nothing more than a collection of faerie tales, just ones that people choose to call religion), nor is it offensive to not believe in said religions and find them silly.
Would you be offended if I said I didn't think homosexuality was natural?
What would make that offensive is that you speak of it as fact and not as an opinion that you've come to conclude homosexuality as for whatever reason.
It is natural for animals to display homosexual behavior. Chemical reactions in your body are natural as well. Love is a chemical reaction and two men, or women can love each other. The mind of a sane would conclude homosexuality as natural 🙂 It's the deep integrated prejudice of Christianity that make humans, even atheists, doubt homosexuality being natural. It's in the back of your head.
If you'd approach and speak to an ancient Greek that homosexuality is unnatural, he'd go "lolwut?" 😄
Originally posted by Pinkie Pie
*snippet*
Could write a lengthy reply but I dun wanna, so I'll let the conversation quietly die (hopefully).
Originally posted by BloodRain
mmm You sir, are awesome.
That sir is lacking a certain appendage. awesome
Originally posted by Pinkie Pie
What would make that offensive is that you speak of it as fact and not as an opinion that you've come to conclude homosexuality as for whatever reason.It is natural for animals to display homosexual behavior. Chemical reactions in your body are natural as well. Love is a chemical reaction and two men, or women can love each other. The mind of a sane would conclude homosexuality as natural 🙂 It's the deep integrated prejudice of Christianity that make humans, even atheists, doubt homosexuality being natural. It's in the back of your head.
If you'd approach and speak to an ancient Greek that homosexuality is unnatural, he'd go "lolwut?" 😄
Actually one could make the argument that it depends on how one defines natural. Though that is not my argument to make. 😛
And yes, the Ancient Greek men loved one another fiercely. Can't understand why that hasn't been implemented into God of War. mmm