Originally posted by Nemesis X
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Originally posted by Nemesis X
Rooster Teeth has really outdone itself:http://roosterteeth.com/home.php
These guys really need to make cut scenes for future Halo games.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
Based off of which tp
I won't constrain myself to TP.
feat is he faster ?
When he kills the sages for one. Multiple times in Wind Waker.
Push Voldy's head out of his body...based off of what ?
Being much stronger.
When did Dorf attack someone's soul in tp ? He didn't do so against zelda, link, or midna.
Zelda and Link are protected by Triforce, Midna is a Twili, and as such Twili Magic doesn't work on her like it does others. Zant was manipulating souls on a country scale.
When did Harry best him in battle ? What movie ?
The last one.
This is the most hypocritical post I've ever seen from you.
You're one to talk.
Harry Potter had the most help in like the history of movies against Voldemort.
Not one on one.
My word Dumbledore, Snape, he had his friends, and the orders aiding him to take down Voldemort yet Link had aid. Priceless.
None helped him fight Voldemort in Deathly Hallows 2.
Link beat him one on one with a few weeks training.
He had help from Zelda and Midna.
Dumbledore was the one on the ground and Voldemort left after the orders showed up
Dumbledore blocked his final attack. Compared to Voldemort who was thrashing wildly like a ***** in a prison of water. Voldemort left before anyone showed up, because he couldn't beat Dumbledore.
and Harry's goodness/love pushed Voldemort out of his body.
Voldemort couldn't control him because he is a weak-willed pussy.
Why would Voldemort stay and take on the orders along with Dumbledore ?
He left before the orders showed up.
Based off of what ?
The books and the fact that Dumbledore was obviously superior.
What in the movies shows you Dumbledore held back ?
Nothing. Doesn't change the fact that Dumbledore couldn't kill him, despite being the superior wizard.
I guess trying to drown someone in a bubble of water suggests holding back. Priceless.
Read above.
Would too.
Incorrect.
Voldemort would not only win he'd dominate.
Voldemort wins with a single backhand.
Voldemort was only killed because of his mother's sacrifice
An unremarkable witch is not as potent or powerful as divine protection froma goddess.
and the only reason he died against Harry was due to Neville killing the snake.
Because Voldemort is in fact stupid enough to bring a Horcrux to a place where many people want him dead.
Harry never once bested him as Voldemort.
Deathly Hallows.
Dorf died in tp.
Prove it.
Alternate timelines means alternate histories and alternate Dorfs so referencing another game after we see Dorf actually die against Link is purposely ignoring the game.
He didn't die, and we know for a fact that there are other games with Ganon after TP and WW. He didn't die, and even if he did, he can easily come back.
Here's the point. Link bests him in straight up combat.
With help from Midna and Zelda, while also wielding weaponry that is anathema to Ganondorf.
Dorf also has aid while Link pretty much takes on his entire army.
With long periods of rest and aid by divine forces.
No wizard can solo the deatheaters.
Pointless filler to support a weak argument.
Harry never bests him while one on one.
He did.
Harry's fled from him and had aid from various characters whereas Link defeated Dorf on his own.
And Link and Midna have been almost killed by Zant. Irrevelant prattle, your argument is.
One on one in a swordfight Link ultimately won.
After having a great deal of aid fighting him in his three previous forms, as well as in a cutscene.
Link defeated each form and had aid prior to just like Harry had aid while an infant
Voldemort had years of rest when he was defeated by baby Harry, Ganondorf had none. Your comparison sucks.
on but never bested Voldy even in the end the snake being killed is why Voldemort lost.
He was beaten and he was an idiot.
Voldemort was also tricked and never the rightful ruler of the wand too and fought on despite all this.
Because he's an idiot.
I think having your entire army solo'd by one inexperienced kid
Neville took out a good portion of Voldemort's army with a single spell.
with the same sword over and over again
The most powerful sword in existence.
is the definition of idiot.
If you ignore context.
Voldemort was outplayed by Dumbledore
Not that hard.
who lost his own life against him he was that formidable.
He was dying to a curse infecting the ring, but then made him dying advantagous and proceeded to make Voldemort look like an idiot.
He can't wade through fiendfyre
Valoo would probably disagree.
or the avada kedavra.
Divine protection of a goddess>Mother's love.
It shows he needs a horse to be fast.
Like how Wonder Woman needs a plane to be fast. Owait.
If he were as quickly as you portrayed why ride on a horse and not just teleport ?
No. Feats dictate Ganondorf is faster than Voldemort. Deal with it. Ganondorf in the sword fight also shows to be able to easily jump off the screen and instantaneously land somewhere else. He is faster.
Voldemort's speed in flight is far faster than Dorf on a horse.
Ganondorf doesn't even need to move to win.
Dorf relies on a horse and rarely ever flies.
Ocarina of Time and TP disagree.
In fact when does he fly ? I honestly can't recall him ever doing so though it's been a while since I played so I could be forgetting.
See above.
Originally posted by NemeBroYou can't use alternate versions of the character just because he's a weak character and doesn't match up.
I won't constrain myself to TP.When he kills the sages for one. Multiple times in Wind Waker.
Being much stronger.
Zelda and Link are protected by Triforce, Midna is a Twili, and as such Twili Magic doesn't work on her like it does others. Zant was manipulating souls on a country scale.
The last one.
You're one to talk.
Not one on one.
None helped him fight Voldemort in Deathly Hallows 2.
He had help from Zelda and Midna.
Dumbledore blocked his final attack. Compared to Voldemort who was thrashing wildly like a ***** in a prison of water. Voldemort left before anyone showed up, because he couldn't beat Dumbledore.
Voldemort couldn't control him because he is a weak-willed pussy.
He left before the orders showed up.
The books and the fact that Dumbledore was obviously superior.
Nothing. Doesn't change the fact that Dumbledore couldn't kill him, despite being the superior wizard.
Read above.
Incorrect.
Voldemort wins with a single backhand.
An unremarkable witch is not as potent or powerful as divine protection froma goddess.
Because Voldemort is in fact stupid enough to bring a Horcrux to a place where many people want him dead.
Deathly Hallows.
Prove it.
He didn't die, and we know for a fact that there are other games with Ganon after TP and WW. He didn't die, and even if he did, he can easily come back.
With help from Midna and Zelda, while also wielding weaponry that is anathema to Ganondorf.
With long periods of rest and aid by divine forces.
Pointless filler to support a weak argument.
He did.
And Link and Midna have been almost killed by Zant. Irrevelant prattle, your argument is.
After having a great deal of aid fighting him in his three previous forms, as well as in a cutscene.
Voldemort had years of rest when he was defeated by baby Harry, Ganondorf had none. Your comparison sucks.
He was beaten and he was an idiot.
Because he's an idiot.
Neville took out a good portion of Voldemort's army with a single spell.
The most powerful sword in existence.
If you ignore context.
Not that hard.
He was dying to a curse infecting the ring, but then made him dying advantagous and proceeded to make Voldemort look like an idiot.
Valoo would probably disagree.
Divine protection of a goddess>Mother's love.
Like how Wonder Woman needs a plane to be fast. Owait.
No. Feats dictate Ganondorf is faster than Voldemort. Deal with it. Ganondorf in the sword fight also shows to be able to easily jump off the screen and instantaneously land somewhere else. He is faster.
Ganondorf doesn't even need to move to win.
Ocarina of Time and TP disagree.
See above.
Charging and killing one sage proves what exactly that when they stand they stupidly he can run into and kill one while the next attack defeated him while he stood there. Kewl. Doesn't count for tp dorf.
He won't touch Voldemort so off the table.
Zant was not Dorf so this isn't applicable here to Dorf. Not in character.
False. The snake was killed which ultimately defeated Voldemort not Harry.
I am no hypocrite.
Yes, he did. Harry fled from him in gof, had aid in ootp, and the snake being destroyed in the last one is what won the battle. LOL.
Yeah, I mean Harry's friends weren't destroying horcruxes at all. Neville totally didn't kill Nagini which ultimately defeated him.
Yes, two friends while Harry had two friends, the orders, the other most powerful wizard out there, Snape, Malfoy's mother, Doby, etc.
Rewatch it he left as they saw him. The Minister saw him and freaked out and he left. Voldemort knocked him over and quickly recovered from the pool of water into affecting the entire room with his badass magic. Voldemort was winning against Dumbledore despite him wielding the most powerful wand ever.
Mainly because he represented the polar opposite of what he was. Unlike Dorf Voldemort was actually powerful without an artifact of power. LOL.
You're wrong. The orders see him then he leaves. I love it because this is factual proof I am right and you aren't.
This is the movie version only and Dumbledore not winning with the superior wand crushes your case.
He wasn't superior at all. Dumbledore was fighting for his life while Voldemort was putting on a show. Voldemort was obviously superior to Dumbledore who later willingly died against him rather than oppose him.
K.
No, I am usually right.
Voldemort wins with a single spell.
Link had no such protection he could have been killed at any time.
Voldemort thought Harry was dead and it all happened so quicly I mean Malfoy's mother lied to him and these were all factors outside his control he couldn't have known.
Never. The snake was killed which defeated him.
You never beat the game. I always assumed you did.
Dorf used someone else's body to fight for him so it's only fair Link had some minor aid but not in the end when he bested him in combat one on one.
Still almost soloing an entire army makes the villain look rather incompetent if you ask me.
Just making an accurate statement.
Nope.
Yes, Zant did what Dorf failed to do.
So what he lost one on one with both men fine.
Dorf had years of rest when he was defeated by the sages. Dorf was defeated each time by being simply bested in differing ways.
Are you describing the dorf man who gets beaten by the master sword in every game. Yeah, sounds about right.
Neville didn't solo an army. Killing them on the bridge shows how badass Voldemort's army was because they still had a lot of numbers on their side.
In that game not in the hp verse.
I never ignore context I embrace it.
It cost Dumbledore his life so it wasn't easily done and Voldemort was betrayed ad it was a group effort.
He died destroying a horcrux which shows how badass Voldemort was. The most powerful rival to him died opposing him.
Who is Valoo ?
Based off of what ?
Ww has combat speed unlike Dorf.
Then he dies if he stays still.
In tp he flies as zelda which isn't applicable here.
Okay, if I'm understanding the Zelda timeline correctly, and I'm sure GK will correct me if I'm wrong...but Ganondorf is not like Link and Zelda, where there are in fact multiples of them and each game, unless it's a direct sequel (as in, taking place in the same era, like OoT > Majora's Mask, or Wind Waker > Phantom Hourglass), has a different incarnation of Link and Zelda. Whereas, while Ganondorf occasionally is killed (or more often sealed away from Hyrule), due to his possession of the Triforce of Power he still continues to come back to life or escape and is himself; there's just one Ganondorf.
So, essentially what I'm getting at...quan, your argument that using Ganondorf from OoT as opposed to TP (the one you're familiar with) is not using an "alternate version" as you claim; they are indeed the same Ganondorf. Also, keep in mind that TP is more or less a sequel to OoT, albeit a century or so after. His presence in TP is because after he's defeated in OoT (he's turned to stone, not killed) he's locked in the Sacred Realm by the Sages, they try to kill him and fail, he kills one and they then send him to the Twilight Realm.
Originally posted by Peach
there's just one Ganondorf.
I don't think this is strictly true if there is a split in the timeline. The way I understand it is, after OoT the timeline splits into WW Timeline and TP Timeline. Because OoT had time travel and junk. So there must be at least two Ganons for two different timelines.
That said, since the timeline splits at OoT, there should technically be two Ganon's after that. One from the future that Link kicked the crap out of, and one from the past before getting the triforce, which I believe was the one in TP.
However, since both weild the triforce of power and generally act the same, the only difference being experience. The WW Ganon has more experience with his power than the TP Ganon, who got it in game correct?
Edit: GK really needs to put a link to his timeline so I can see it before talking. >_>
Well, yeah, after the timeline split there's two Ganons, but in essence WW Ganon is OoT Ganon, as TP and OoT Ganon are the same. They just exist in parallel timelines due to Link's actions.
I'm not great at interpreting the different timelines, and I haven't actually played WW. GK made up a thing that delineated what goes in which order, which I'm trying to find.
Edit: Damnit, I could have sworn I had his timeline saved on his computer, but apparently not. Guess we'll have to wait for him to get on to post it.
Originally posted by PeachIf he doesn't have the experiences of memories of OOT or the master sword and the triforce of power chose to back him which shocked them all despite it already occurring it makes no sense. You can't have it both ways. If Dorf is completely ignorant about the master sword and Link then his past history with regards to it doesn't apply to TP Dorf.
Okay, if I'm understanding the Zelda timeline correctly, and I'm sure GK will correct me if I'm wrong...but Ganondorf is not like Link and Zelda, where there are in fact multiples of them and each game, unless it's a direct sequel (as in, taking place in the same era, like OoT > Majora's Mask, or Wind Waker > Phantom Hourglass), has a different incarnation of Link and Zelda. Whereas, while Ganondorf occasionally is killed (or more often sealed away from Hyrule), due to his possession of the Triforce of Power he still continues to come back to life or escape and is himself; there's just one Ganondorf.So, essentially what I'm getting at...quan, your argument that using Ganondorf from OoT as opposed to TP (the one you're familiar with) is not using an "alternate version" as you claim; they are indeed the same Ganondorf. Also, keep in mind that TP is more or less a sequel to OoT, albeit a century or so after. His presence in TP is because after he's defeated in OoT (he's turned to stone, not killed) he's locked in the Sacred Realm by the Sages, they try to kill him and fail, he kills one and they then send him to the Twilight Realm.
Now I've looked online for random theories and what not when I got bakc into Zelda temporarily due to completing Tp. It seems the creator says random things in interviews and each game is left to the discretion of the team without really making anything official.
Ganondorf in TP is the same Ganondorf as in OoT. He was an immensely powerful Gerudo wizard even before he gained the Triforce of Power. Even without recognizing the Master Sword or the hero's clothing in TP, his attack style during his possession of Zelda and summoning of Phantom Ganons show that he has the same abilities in TP as he had in OoT, plus even more due to his spectral form and century of experience with the Triforce.
Ganondorf in WW is also the same Ganondorf as in OoT, after forcing his way out of the Sacred Realm. The only difference there is that, in remembering his defeat at Link's sword, he honed his own fighting capabilities even further, focusing on physical feats as opposed to the magical ones he already had. Tanking Valoo's fire is a valid example of his Triforce-assisted durability.
The confusing thing is that TP Link is an adult, but exists in the "child" timeline, whereas WW Link is a child in the "adult" timeline. In the child timeline, Zelda sends Link back in time to warn the King, which leads directly to Ganondorf's capture and execution in TP.
In the adult timeline, Zelda sending Link back in time basically means there's no more Link, which leads directly to Ganondorf taking over Hyrule and getting the world flooded, which then leads to Wind Waker.
Originally posted by General KalieroI am not sure about WW obviously never having playing through it but Tp Dorf can have the same abilities as it was obvious the oot game was copied hardcore in an attempt to recreate the magic this game created which in the end imo fell short but his lack of knowledge and the fact it happened after oot shows the two aren't the same and don't share the same past memories.
Zelda Timeline FTWGanondorf in TP is the same Ganondorf as in OoT. He was an immensely powerful Gerudo wizard even before he gained the Triforce of Power. Even without recognizing the Master Sword or the hero's clothing in TP, his attack style during his possession of Zelda and summoning of Phantom Ganons show that he has the same abilities in TP as he had in OoT, plus even more due to his spectral form and century of experience with the Triforce.
Ganondorf in WW is also the same Ganondorf as in OoT, after forcing his way out of the Sacred Realm. The only difference there is that, in remembering his defeat at Link's sword, he honed his own fighting capabilities even further, focusing on physical feats as opposed to the magical ones he already had. Tanking Valoo's fire is a valid example of his Triforce-assisted durability.
All this talk almost has me tempted to fire up the wii and give Dorf one more shot.
