Originally posted by janus77
but juggy's "forward momentum" has been bent out of shape by Hulk. so that's hardly a factor. it's also been stopped by Thor's Hammer (godforce).and also, no it's not "easy to get [juggernaut's] ... ass kicked", he's "invulnerable" remember, to have him knocked on his ass is to show that he can be 'winded' - that he can +feel+ the effects, of what the Hulk deals out.
As Trickster just reminded me on MSN, Juggernaut doesn't need to breathe so how exactley does he get "winded" by a punch?
Sort of supports a case for PIS if that is indeed how the writer wanted us to interupt it...
Originally posted by janus77
but juggy's "forward momentum" has been bent out of shape by Hulk. so that's hardly a factor. it's also been stopped by Thor's Hammer (godforce).and also, no it's not "easy to get [juggernaut's] ... ass kicked", he's "invulnerable" remember, to have him knocked on his ass is to show that he can be 'winded' - that he can +feel+ the effects, of what the Hulk deals out.
One little tiny insignifigant problem here. Juggernaut doesn't need to breathe. 😉
Juggs has been knocked down before, when he wasn't moving. But it's never really hurt him at full power.
He can't be winded, because he has unlimited stamina AND HE DOES NOT BREATHE. jugdurnaut
Originally posted by Herculesonly shows some hard licks. hes not down on the ground like juggy wasSome scans of the fight in 402.
Let me expand on the forward momentum thing, I was saying that Juggernaut has in the past been knocked off his feet when not moving.
Warpath literaly pushed him over a bent over Spiderman and he hit the floor, so if hes standing still he can be knocked over or down.
Every fight Hulk and Juggy had is filled with some sort of PIS/CIS.
One is interrupted, another was a psychic backlash, another was Hulk holding back to a construction worker, another still was the Amped War Hulk.
And the most current was a BFR by Hulk, which technically, Juggernaut returned.
They have never had a knock down, drag it out fight to determine who would be the victory.
All I can say is that in all there fights, the only Hulk to do any decent damage to Juggernaut was War Hulk, who was amped, and the psychic backlash, which is self explanatory.
Juggernaut has ALWAYS done decent damage to hulk.
Originally posted by spidey-dude
only shows some hard licks. hes not down on the ground like juggy was
Did you read the synopsis of the entire issue that I posted? Juggernaut knocks him out thats how Red Skull gets hold of him in the first place...
Those were the only scans on the net that I could find.
The fight ends like this.
Nothin’ can stop me! Nothing on this planet! Nothing in this galaxy! Nothing in the universe can stop me!” “Earl” punches Hulk in the face over and over. Hulk thinks to himself that he isn’t getting time to recover. He says that he didn’t realize his power, and that he has gotten too used to the Pantheon covering his back. “Earl” keeps pounding Hulk until the Red Skull tells him to stop. He tells Marko that he doesn’t want him dead yet, and that he can be of use to them. Red Skull says that his sources tell him that the Avengers have learned of his plans
So the argument can be made that Hulk didn't realise who he was fighting i.e. taken by suprise so the fight in 404 could be seen as *** for tat.
Seriously I post a synopsis of the entire issue for you to read (incidently if you have read 403 and 404 why have you not read 402?) and you ignore it and say Hulk didn't go down due to the scans...
Originally posted by Herculesonly one picture shows from your scans the others are messed up
Did you read the synopsis of the entire issue that I posted? Juggernaut knocks him out thats how Red Skull gets hold of him in the first place...Those were the only scans on the net that I could find.
The fight ends like this. ps i dont have 402
So the argument can be made that Hulk didn't realise who he was fighting i.e. taken by suprise so the fight in 404 could be seen as *** for tat.
Seriously I post a synopsis of the entire issue for you to read (incidently if you have read 403 and 404 why have you not read 402?) and you ignore it and say Hulk didn't go down due to the scans...
Originally posted by Hercules
Hmm, let me see if I can fix it, which scan can you see?
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u66/BigSid80/Scans/hulkandjuggy3.jpg
Originally posted by janus77
juggernaut got koed by Onslaught - physical force.
(btw for the scientifically challenged, magnetism is part of the physical world, it is a force that works within and through physical laws, like sound and light)War Hulk could have killed juggernaut, 'cept Hulk never kills unless he absolutely has to.
WWH arc Hulk wasn't even trying to fight juggernaut, juggernaut was inconsequential to him.
The Juggernaut that had the Gem torn out of his chest wasn't full powered Juggernaut. Onslaught was a psychic being and it wasn't hard to knock him out.
Magnetism isn't a physical thing. It may operate on phycial laws, but there is no actual physical contact.
War Hulk couldn't have killed Juggernaut. Just because he says so does not mean he can.
Originally posted by masterbruce
a question about Juggernaut: what does his armor do for him besides protection from telepathy?
Well with all the crap he would be doing he might end up naked at the end of the fight. So the armor is there to basically keep him clothed.
As for the winded thing. Juggernaut's body is still human. And lungs are basically a bag of air. So Hulk punching Juggs is cause and effect. The air had to go somewhere.
Hercules let me help you out with those scans.
Originally posted by spidey-dude
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u66/BigSid80/Scans/hulkandjuggy3.jpg
So its these two you can't.
Can you see them now?
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
The Juggernaut that had the Gem torn out of his chest wasn't full powered Juggernaut. Onslaught was a psychic being and it wasn't hard to knock him out.Magnetism isn't a physical thing. It may operate on phycial laws, but there is no actual physical contact.
War Hulk couldn't have killed Juggernaut. Just because he says so does not mean he can.
Well with all the crap he would be doing he might end up naked at the end of the fight. So the armor is there to basically keep him clothed.
As for the winded thing. Juggernaut's body is still human. And lungs are basically a bag of air. So Hulk punching Juggs is cause and effect. The air had to go somewhere.
Hercules let me help you out with those scans.
Thanks Ptr! 👆
Originally posted by spidey-dude
i see them now. and he still doesnt look down. the ones griffin posted yes hes holding them there but hes not down on the ground like juggy was. theres a difference there.
His eyes are closed, hes not fighting back and the only thing holding him up is Juggernaut...if he wasn't out when Red Skull told Juggernaut to stop hitting him, do you not think he would be fighting back?
I mean hes hardly being restrained by Juggernaut, in the last pic, his arms are free to struggle...
Regarding the lungs being filled with air because he has human anatomy, why would they be if he doesn't need to breathe?
Thats something that has always puzzled me 😕
Originally posted by Hercules
Regarding the lungs being filled with air because he has human anatomy, why would they be if he doesn't need to breathe?Thats something that has always puzzled me 😕
Well he still breathes, it is just that he does not require air to stay conscious or stay alive. Same way he still drinks beer and eats. He doesn't need to.
As for Juggernaut falling, it should be hard for Hulk to knock a 900 lb. guy on the ground.
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifinif hulk can knock down blob then 900lbs is no problem there for hulkster
Well he still breathes, it is just that he does not require air to stay conscious or stay alive. Same way he still drinks beer and eats. He doesn't need to.As for Juggernaut falling, it should be hard for Hulk to knock a 900 lb. guy on the ground.
