Pre-Crisis Superman v. Darkseid

Originally posted by quanchi112
i am. ds has lost to superman how many times in a row. after the stalemate on our worlds ar war supes has been kicked ds's ass and making him submit. superman most recently has kicked the utter snot out of ds. this precrisis supes would laugh his ass off and then beat him down with little to no effort. 😉

Originally posted by quanchi112
things change. ds has become much weaker. the guys falls off steps and scream in terror. apokolips now made ds look so bad. it brought his average done bigtime. its like in class when u get 4 a's and get like a 20 percent f. ur average goes way down. ds average is way down.

you mean like recently DS has created Universes over and over and in one hand pwned a far more powerful firestorm and Orion? Is that what you mean by current showings? Things do change. DS is far superior to the showings that you like to mention. Those showins are old. I guess your entire argument is defuncnt. DS hasn't even fought Superman since he's been upgraded. Too bad for you. You can't use any of things any more since DS is so much more powerful than he was. porr quan

Originally posted by starking
But that's only the more recent incarnation of Ds and if you read the forum rules, then you would realize that's not one of them. Even if we did, then Seid would still be above Supes, seeing how he recently pwned Firestorm and Orion. And Quanchi, I know you stole this argument from Panthergod, meaning you can't think for yourself and you need other's opinions to drive a debate. If you don't have much info on something, then don't use as your own.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
you mean like recently DS has created Universes over and over and in one hand pwned a far more powerful firestorm and Orion? Is that what you mean by current showings? Things do change. DS is far superior to the showings that you like to mention. Those showins are old. I guess your entire argument is defuncnt. DS hasn't even fought Superman since he's been upgraded. Too bad for you. You can't use any of things any more since DS is so much more powerful than he was. porr quan

Originally posted by quanchi112
ho wdid i steal anything from panther god? 😆 cuase we both use facts and expose ds lies and myths. we do have tha in common. me and panther tell the truth and dont try to distort the truth. how do u get since he beat firestorm and orion then he could beat supes. sorry but u dont know abc logic when they live and breathe in the same universe. until ds gets his revenged, kal-el has his number
kal-el for the win!

If you can show me one fight Superman has had with DS since DS has created Universes, Bitched all of the new Gods, and pwned Firestorm and Orion, then I'll say you are correct. If you can't, then none of the fights count becuz DS is showing considerably more power than he did when last fighting superman. I'd say you were a bad debator if you are going to use old fights that have no bearing upon recent showings of DS.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
If you can show me one fight Superman has had with DS since DS has created Universes, Bitched all of the new Gods, and pwned Firestorm and Orion, then I'll say you are correct. If you can't, then none of the fights count becuz DS is showing considerably more power than he did when last fighting superman. I'd say you were a bad debator if you are going to use old fights that have no bearing upon recent showings of DS.

Originally posted by quanchi112
ho wdid i steal anything from panther god? 😆 cuase we both use facts and expose ds lies and myths. we do have tha in common. me and panther tell the truth and dont try to distort the truth. how do u get since he beat firestorm and orion then he could beat supes. sorry but u dont know abc logic when they live and breathe in the same universe. until ds gets his revenged, kal-el has his number
kal-el for the win!

Originally posted by starking
You did steal it Quan and I knew you would deny it. It's funny how you say different shit, when someone expresses an opinion you agree with. And why is your logic so terrible? Seid has been wrecking both Superman and beings above him, during his entire history. You can keep on denying the facts, but Seid is viewed by the majority as a powerful skyfather. And the majorities view, is all that matters. If ten votes are given to a person and three votes are given to another, do you tip the scale in favor of the minority? It doesn't matter how Ds is portrayed recently, as long as he has many showings that put him above top tiers, then his power shouldn't be questioned.

Originally posted by quanchi112
i dont steal anyones arguments. pathergod and i dont agree with all things. we do agree that ds fans discount anytime he loses. and wanna just cry pis. its simple in hunter and prey ds was owned. superman went after doomsday after doomsday said hes unbeatable. bad actually terible showing for darkseid. the colts have beaten the patriots as of late three in a row. thing s change as superman has cuaght up to darksied. 😉

You dont' admit that DS did with energy what No one with energy has done to doomsday since DD has evolved. YOu wont' admit that DD managed to kill a guardian, a skyfather lvl being by adapting to his energy. you won't admit that DS was speed blitzed from behind. So you are a weak debator. You only talk about what you like and dismiss what everyone else says. You then talk trash when you aren't even a good debator. you dont' know how to look at the big picture. You are a fanboy and aren't a good poster. I wish star with stop trying to cram reason into a void of logic and intelligence.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You dont' admit that DS did with energy what No one with energy has done to doomsday since DD has evolved. YOu wont' admit that DD managed to kill a guardian, a skyfather lvl being by adapting to his energy. you won't admit that DS was speed blitzed from behind. So you are a weak debator. You only talk about what you like and dismiss what everyone else says. You then talk trash when you aren't even a good debator. you dont' know how to look at the big picture. You are a fanboy and aren't a good poster. I wish star with stop trying to cram reason into a void of logic and intelligence.

Originally posted by quanchi112
i admit doomsday was very powerful, but i also admit when darkseid said it himself that doomsday was unbeatable. darkseid viewed himself as weaker than doomsday. darkseid omegad him first. then got overconfident and assumed he was dead. big mistake. kal-el had to save him with a mother box. ds owes his life to superman. 😉

Actually If DS had the mother box, he could have done it himself. DOOMsday cost a guardian his life. a Guardian is more powerful than a hundred green lanterns. DS also did with his energy what NO ONE else has done with energy. That speaks volumes of how powerful DS is and how powerful Doomsday was at the time. DS also says DD is beyond death. He killed dd and dd came back. Now I must put you on block again. You kinda are circular in your arguing.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Actually If DS had the mother box, he could have done it himself. DOOMsday cost a guardian his life. a Guardian is more powerful than a hundred green lanterns. DS also did with his energy what NO ONE else has done with energy. That speaks volumes of how powerful DS is and how powerful Doomsday was at the time. DS also says DD is beyond death. He killed dd and dd came back. Now I must put you on block again. You kinda are circular in your arguing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
i dont steal anyones arguments. pathergod and i dont agree with all things. we do agree that ds fans discount anytime he loses. and wanna just cry pis. its simple in hunter and prey ds was owned. superman went after doomsday after doomsday said hes unbeatable. bad actually terible showing for darkseid. the colts have beaten the patriots as of late three in a row. thing s change as superman has cuaght up to darksied. 😉

Originally posted by starking
You claim you don't copy other people's debating tatics, but guess what your doing right now? After I start making comparisons to different situations, you suddenly replicate the very thing I do. This may seem harsh to you Quanchi, but your a lousy debator and a stubborn one at that. You need to learn how to not restate yourself, because you do it CONSTANTLY. Many posters have told you about the H/P incident and you have yet to acknowledge the fact, that Hp Doomsday caused a Guardian to kill himself and Ds was able to put Doomsday down, when so many others failed. Not only that but that story would've been retconned into an avatar. According to the logic you use, I would have to prove my power by killing a old crippled man. Yet I've shown the ability to left a thousand tons. Do you really believe yourself, when you type? You can defend yourself all you want to, but by doing so your blinding yourself from the truth. Don't get me wrong, this isn't a personal attack, but a way to help you see the error of your ways.

Originally posted by quanchi112
i love how in ur arguing u make excuses for darkseid. you try to avoid the whole darkseid getting beaten into oblivion thing. supes also killed doomsday once. so did darkseid so whats ur point. superman did it physically while darkseid lasted like two seconds. show u what happens to darkseid when he cant rely on his one trick. 😎

OMG. you are so bad at debating. DD was weaker when he fought Superman you tard. DD is also resistant and evolved against energy attacks. So for DS to kill DD with energy is a statement to how powerful DS is. Especially since at the time, DD had just killed a guardian. You are not good at debating. You dont' know your stories well, you dont' know the time frame of each battle or what was happening else where in the DCu. You need to stop posting.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
OMG. you are so bad at debating. DD was weaker when he fought Superman you tard. DD is also resistant and evolved against energy attacks. So for DS to kill DD with energy is a statement to how powerful DS is. Especially since at the time, DD had just killed a guardian. You are not good at debating. You dont' know your stories well, you dont' know the time frame of each battle or what was happening else where in the DCu. You need to stop posting.

Originally posted by quanchi112
ds used his omega and it kille dhim for how long? a minute if that. im saying that first time superman met doomsday he held his own. and fought with him for many panels. doomsday was more powerful but ds lasted a panel or three. he was beaten so quick it was freaking hilarious. this mighty ds after he thought he won was carreid and dragged like some doofus. then superman saved his life. then superman tracks him down and beat him. superman looked way better in this sotry. this story made ds look like a coward.

Um. DD was FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAr weaker when Superman killed him. DS killed DD after he had become far more powerful, had learned to adapt to any energy attacks, and DD still didn't kill DS. You say DS looked like a coward but I seem to remember DS killing DD. I seem to remember him doing what no other in comics has done since DD has evolved. I also seem to remember DS surviving a full on speed blitz from behind from a more powerful DD where superman died to a weaker DD. I say DS looked better. Especially since Superman had use of an MB. Which DS could have used on his own but for the sake of the story, Superman had to be the hero.

Originally posted by quanchi112
ds used his omega and it kille dhim for how long? a minute if that. im saying that first time superman met doomsday he held his own. and fought with him for many panels. doomsday was more powerful but ds lasted a panel or three. he was beaten so quick it was freaking hilarious. this mighty ds after he thought he won was carreid and dragged like some doofus. then superman saved his life. then superman tracks him down and beat him. superman looked way better in this sotry. this story made ds look like a coward.

Now your at it again, your restating shit that's been debunked down to nothing. A Guardian COULDN'T do shit to DD, yet he got the crap knocked outta him by Ds's Oe.

Doomsday was uber as hell when he faced Seid and you can't deny that no matter what. Besides, that was retconned into an avatar.

Originally posted by starking
Of course he looked way better, BECAUSE HE WAS MUCH WEAKER WHEN SUPERMAN FACED HIM.

Now your at it again, your restating shit that's been debunked down to nothing. A Guardian COULDN'T do shit to DD, yet he got the crap knocked outta him by Ds's Oe.

Doomsday was uber as hell when he faced Seid and you can't deny that no matter what. Besides, that was retconned into an avatar.

Originally posted by quanchi112
wanst an avatar. ds said he rarely uses it. he wouldnt use it to save his planet. it makes no sense. superman saves an avatar. and ds says doomsday is unbeatable. to u darkseid always tells the truth. so u must also admit doomsday is unbeatable. 😛

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