M. Bison vs Kyo Kusanagi and Iori Yagami

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Mary Jane, Hwoarang, and Iori are awesome.

Ryuumonohozukimaru is freakin awesome. It can kill Hwoarang and Ior with one shot.

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Ryuumonohozukimaru will chop that thing into bits and then eat it.

The only true example of inhereted chi powers from what you gave is Howard's bloodline. Kaphwan's sons trained with their father, and Adelheid is tricky. The only thing I know for sure is that he received training in the same MA style as his great father...maybe just by studying his fighting data. Howard's powers are inherited, that's true.

But anyways...even though you missed with Kaphwan example...you're good.

And as for Riot of Blood state...there's a theory that Orochi spirit posesses the blood in said moments, making it sentient. In non-riot state the blood still present, of course, but it's not sentient. When person is made a temporary avatar of Orochi via Riot of Blood, his or her own mind is no longer responsible of controlling the body, he or she is driven by "Orochi presence" in the blood. That also explains an extra boost in strength person receives in that state- the blood works at its fullest extent (that's why 6years old Leona in RoB state managed to kill everyone in her village, despite they all had Orochi blood in their veins). The reverse is that person temporary turned into mindless beast, driven by single wish to kill everyone in his or hers path.
Orochi spirit can be summoned into normal human body- but that should be done by legitimate Orochi avatar. And I strongly doubt that Kyo in KOF 2001 really shown in RoB state- more like a representation of his great anger towards NESTS.

And finally- "Kusanagi flame gene" and Kusanagi battle data are different stuff. If it really was tampering preventing K' from performing Kusanagi-ryu, he should have started performing that when he finally was able to control the flames.

What I've trying to say is that pyrokinetic abilities and martial arts aspects in Kusanagi-ryu aren't the same. The first one passes with genes (just like Howard's chi powers), the second one can be learned, that's so-called "battle data". Kyo's complete clones got everything from Kyo including giving them his battle data. If it were just regular chi flames, K' won't be facing such a trouble in controlling them- he's not THAT weak, I think. He has to struggle to learn how to control them.
And if those two aspects were just the same, there would be collecting Kyo's battle data instead of trying to infuse people with his flame gene etc. The whole point of the thing that pyrokinesis powers are genetically inherited is supported by possibility to create reversed version of flame gene which was infused into Kula.
Shingo has learned MA aspect of Kusanagi-ryu but was never able to summon true flames- just imitate them with his chi.

But apart from inherited flame powers, there's nothing special in Kusanagi bloodline, unlike Yagami bloodline.

And as for Riot of Blood state...there's a theory that Orochi spirit posesses the blood in said moments, making it sentient. In non-riot state the blood still present, of course, but it's not sentient. When person is made a temporary avatar of Orochi via Riot of Blood, his or her own mind is no longer responsible of controlling the body, he or she is driven by "Orochi presence" in the blood. That also explains an extra boost in strength person receives in that state- the blood works at its fullest extent (that's why 6years old Leona in RoB state managed to kill everyone in her village, despite they all had Orochi blood in their veins). The reverse is that person temporary turned into mindless beast, driven by single wish to kill everyone in his or hers path.
Orochi spirit can be summoned into normal human body- but that should be done by legitimate Orochi avatar. And I strongly doubt that Kyo in KOF 2001 really shown in RoB state- more like a representation of his great anger towards NESTS.

well what you say here does go hand-in-hand with what i said about the Orochi in Iori's blood taking hold of him before. or more like it seems to have a conscious of its own that tampers with Iori's mind making him go berserk. as i said before, japanese love metaphors so this was what "his blood awakened" really meant.
the "orochi poison" that you mentioned then also explains the kusanagi's riot of blood as well.

But anyways...even though you missed with Kaphwan example...you're good.

💃
*pats himself in the back*

And finally- "Kusanagi flame gene" and Kusanagi battle data are different stuff. If it really was tampering preventing K' from performing Kusanagi-ryu, he should have started performing that when he finally was able to control the flames.

yeah i get what you mean. sorry, i can be a little thick sometimes.

What I've trying to say is that pyrokinetic abilities and martial arts aspects in Kusanagi-ryu aren't the same. The first one passes with genes (just like Howard's chi powers), the second one can be learned, that's so-called "battle data". Kyo's complete clones got everything from Kyo including giving them his battle data.[/qoute]
agreed.

[quote]If it were just regular chi flames, K' won't be facing such a trouble in controlling them- he's not THAT weak, I think. He has to struggle to learn how to control them.


well the explanation given for his glove was that he was too skinny to actually master the flames power. everytime he took it off, they went out of control. heck, even kyo wears special gloves cuz his flames hurt him too. the point is that flames hurt when you weild them. about the only kusanagi who doesn't wear special flames is Saishu cuz he's gotten used to it.....and it seems he can produce them without actually touching them (as seen in his KoF98 fight intro where the flames are in midair between his hands, unlike kyo and iori whose flames burn at their hands).

And if those two aspects were just the same, there would be collecting Kyo's battle data instead of trying to infuse people with his flame gene etc. The whole point of the thing that pyrokinesis powers are genetically inherited is supported by possibility to create reversed version of flame gene which was infused into Kula.

yeah, like i said, i agree. and i even mentioned that kusanagi's and yasakani's combined "their pyrotechniques with chinese martial arts". so flames weilding is a seperate technique from their kusnagi ryu MA. i already agreed to that.

Shingo has learned MA aspect of Kusanagi-ryu but was never able to summon true flames- just imitate them with his chi.

that's debatable. on wiki (i know, i know, shitty source but hey!) they say its related to his training with Saishu. as of yet, who knows.

But apart from inherited flame powers, there's nothing special in Kusanagi bloodline, unlike Yagami bloodline.

yup.
see ya.

Rock & Iori are awesome

foo! don't be putting iori and rock on the same level!? 😠
saw the links yet?
*stands with a big log in his hand to smash on brain's head if the answer is 'no'*

~Sado

Saisui trained him in MA aspect of Kusanagi-ryu...and Shingo never wielded "true" flames, but was able to imitate them with his own chi. And even to be able to do that...he had to train hard.

And the "Orochi poisoning" theory was almost the only logical way to explain some stuff that happened in KOF;Kyo, taking into account that it was orchestrated by one of known Orochi avatars (Shermie).

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
The only true example of inhereted chi powers from what you gave is Howard's bloodline. Kaphwan's sons trained with their father, and Adelheid is tricky. The only thing I know for sure is that he received training in the same MA style as his great father...maybe just by studying his fighting data. Howard's powers are inherited, that's true.

But anyways...even though you missed with Kaphwan example...you're good.

And as for Riot of Blood state...there's a theory that Orochi spirit posesses the blood in said moments, making it sentient. In non-riot state the blood still present, of course, but it's not sentient. When person is made a temporary avatar of Orochi via Riot of Blood, his or her own mind is no longer responsible of controlling the body, he or she is driven by "Orochi presence" in the blood. That also explains an extra boost in strength person receives in that state- the blood works at its fullest extent (that's why 6years old Leona in RoB state managed to kill everyone in her village, despite they all had Orochi blood in their veins). The reverse is that person temporary turned into mindless beast, driven by single wish to kill everyone in his or hers path.
Orochi spirit can be summoned into normal human body- but that should be done by legitimate Orochi avatar. And I strongly doubt that Kyo in KOF 2001 really shown in RoB state- more like a representation of his great anger towards NESTS.

But in the KoF Kyo game, it's stated that the Kusanagis are also cursed. And that Kyo's cousin and dad did once go through Riot. And check Kyo's facial expression, I sure think he's Rioting.

Originally posted by SteelEagle
But in the KoF Kyo game, it's stated that the Kusanagis are also cursed. And that Kyo's cousin and dad did once go through Riot. And check Kyo's facial expression, I sure think he's Rioting.

That supports theory about Orochi poisoning since there is no Orochi blood in Kusanagi. The thing about curse explains the easiness of that "poisoning", though...

Originally posted by Guilty Gear
Mary Jane, Hwoarang, and Iori are awesome.

Mary Jane is 😍

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Mary Jane is 😍
I concur dd

Ryuumonohozukimaru!

ever notice how Kyo smiles when he's KO'd in the 2D games?

Originally posted by SteelEagle
ever notice how Kyo smiles when he's KO'd in the 2D games?

The Demon Fruit Lives!

And I LOL whenever Kyo gets Ko'd.

It's funny imagining someone smiling when they're KO'd.

i wanna see Nightmare's true face.

His SCIII incarnation probably doesn't even have one. It's just a living armor.

This is what SCII Nightmare looks like without the top armor.