Iceman Vs. Magneto

Originally posted by batdude123
A. Yeah, I'd like to see Bobby do that. Especially once Magneto puts those shields up. 🙄

B. Magneto could sense which is the real one and attack Bobby.

C. There are dozens upon dozens of things Magneto could do to kill Bobby, while you only have a few.

D. Wow, transmutating ice into water. 😂 🙄 Not exactly a big step there, Blair. And it wouldn't exactly be called "transmutating" considering ice and water are the same damn chemical. 😂 So, there goes your transmutating argument out the window.

A) His shields? What do shields have to do with anything? He attacks past it. Or his body. Besides the point.

B) Real one? Icemans in the air somewhere...he can create ice dupes to fight others. He rips his water out. Nuff said

C) Cant defend against it can you?

D) Bah you know what I mean....Iceman can control gas, water, and ice. How does Mags defend against having his own water supply (which is like what 70% of the human body) suddeny turn to water vapor?

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
btw by in uncanny x-men comics when polaris tried to kill bobby tried to freeze polaris who easily controlled bobby iceblast and said even in water there are molecules she can manipulate magneto>>>>>>polaris

Pish Posh. Who the hell has said hes gonna use an ice blast? Of course he would lose that way. Iceman has more options than just the "iceblast"
Read what I said again 😬

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Rough? You havent seen anything yet
😕 where are you getting this idea of pure "ice"? Look at my posts again. Read what I said. Magneto can control ice (and I of course would like to see this scan that your basing so much of it on) but can he control molecules in the way that Iceman can? The actual movement of them? oh and look at this again:
Why does it have to be a physical matter (ie Iceman impales him?)
Iceman does the miousture inversion trick and he can do many different things:
A) Stop his molecular motion
B) Create a "iceman" to fight magneto while dehydrating him like storm was doing in YOUR OWN scan (and iceman can do it MUCH quicker by just ripping his water out)
C) Miousture inversion his head (and how can he defend against that?)
E) Transmute the water in Mags body to gas (just like he transmuted Ice into water) How does he defend against this??

now lets think of this logically, again. You say Magneto would be able to tell where Iceman is because he can "see" water vapor. Listen to what you just said. Water vapor is ALREADY present in the air. Its ALL around us. Iceman can turn himself, and others to water vapor. Its not DIFFERENT from water vapor. Its all the same. No one could tell where icemans water vapor is compared to.......water vapor.
(oh and space? Iceman is king in terms of ice powers. He froze what space could not: Ie a Celestial ship and ALL OF ITS MOLECULES (actualy wording, everything it IS). You really think that Iceman cant go colder than space?)

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Pish Posh. Who the hell has said hes gonna use an ice blast? Of course he would lose that way. Iceman has more options than just the "iceblast"
Read what I said again 😬

Originally posted by Blair Wind
now lets think of this logically, again. You say Magneto would be able to tell where Iceman is because he can "see" water vapor. Listen to what you just said. Water vapor is ALREADY present in the air. Its ALL around us. Iceman can turn himself, and others to water vapor. Its not DIFFERENT from water vapor. Its all the same. No one could tell where icemans water vapor is compared to.......water vapor.
(oh and space? Iceman is king in terms of ice powers. He froze what space could not: Ie a Celestial ship and ALL OF ITS MOLECULES (actualy wording, everything it IS). You really think that Iceman cant go colder than space?)

Bobby is alive, isn't he? He isn't pure water vapor or ice. He is alive. Therefore, he can have his lifefoce sucked out, and Magneto can sense where he is. Plain and simple. Water and ice have molecules that can be manipulated by Magneto. He was POWERED up by Bobby's attack. The cold is not going to hurt him. And Iceman can't transmutate. To transmutate means to convert one chemical into another. Turning ice into water isn't transmutating. 😂 THEY'RE THE SAME CHEMICAL. crylaugh Oh, and Magneto can also create a sentient being of EM energy to combat for him as well. And the space comment was just a word of association. Virtually absolute zero doesn't mean it is absolute zero. Other wise, Bobby wouldn't even be able to move himself at all. He would LACK kinetic movement in his body. Nothing in the universe can happen without kinetic movement. 😂 And gravity could also be taken over by Magneto, so Bobby would be helpless. Magneto wins here. 😉

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Pish Posh. Who the hell has said hes gonna use an ice blast? Of course he would lose that way. Iceman has more options than just the "iceblast"
Read what I said again 😬

And Magneto is more than one little power as well.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
C) Cant defend against it can you?

Water vapor has molecules that can be manipulated by Magneto. Null point. That better?

Originally posted by batdude123
Bobby is alive, isn't he? He isn't pure water vapor or ice. He is alive. Therefore, he can have his lifefoce sucked out, and Magneto can sense where he is. Plain and simple. Water and ice have molecules that can be manipulated by Magneto. He was POWERED up by Bobby's attack. The cold is not going to hurt him. And Iceman can't transmutate. To transmutate means to convert one chemical into another. Turning ice into water isn't transmutating. 😂 THEY'RE THE SAME CHEMICAL. crylaugh Oh, and Magneto can also create a sentient being of EM energy to combat for him as well. And the space comment was just a word of association. Virtually absolute zero doesn't mean it is absolute zero. Other wise, Bobby wouldn't even be able to move himself at all. He would LACK kinetic movement in his body. Nothing in the universe can happen without kinetic movement. 😂 And gravity could also be taken over by Magneto, so Bobby would be helpless. Magneto wins here. 😉

You do know your making no sense right? Bobby is an elemental. Omega mutant elemental to be more precise. Therefore he CAN turn to PURE ice, water, or water vapor. Please show me one more scan of Magneto ever stealing someones life force. Please.
Damn you use one word wrong and someone jumps at you. Doesnt matter. Ive listed various ways as to how Iceman could win, and all your defenses for him where a bit ambigious. Oh and Bobby can MAKE it that cold. Doesnt mean when he is ice he becomes that cold 😬
Gravity? What does gravity have to do with it? Iceman "teleports" to more water vapor. Tell me HOW does Magneto know where Iceman is coming from and HOW Magneto can stop his water turning to gas, or is head?

Iceman could occupy the water vapor in Magneto's own body. I fail to see what Mags is going to do to combat that.

Originally posted by H. S. 6
Iceman could occupy the water vapor in Magneto's own body. I fail to see what Mags is going to do to combat that.

Originally posted by batdude123
Water vapor has molecules that can be manipulated by Magneto. Null point. That better?

Show me where Mags can do that.

Besides the point. How can he locate Iceman in that form?

and HS6 is right. What is he going to do prey tell?

Originally posted by Validus
Rubbish. Any scan of Magneto going to hand to hand with Colossus is highly suspect.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
magneto can exist as pure enrgy aswell 😉

First time I've heard that one.

Scans?

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
magneto can exist as pure enrgy aswell 😉

Yea? Show me in 616 cannon where Magneto can do that. Ill admit to being wrong if you can show me. Not a what if, or a "future" timeline.

i don't have scans only read it in his bios

Originally posted by H. S. 6
Iceman could occupy the water vapor in Magneto's own body. I fail to see what Mags is going to do to combat that.

Water and ice have electrons and magneto can control all electrons and protons. He will have complete control over his own body's water. Iceman isn't going to usurp the will of magneto. Magneto can ball iceman up in a nice tight force field and send him str8 into the sun. let's see bobby put that out.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
i don't have scans only read it in his bios

Well, then it has no place in this debate, does it? 😉

Ive heard it was only in a what if. Therefore not valid for this debate.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Water and ice have electrons and magneto can control all electrons and protens. He will have complete control over his own body's water. Iceman isn't going to usurp the will of magneto. Magneto can ball iceman up in a nice tight force field and send him str8 into the sun. let's see bobby put that out.

Too bad a consciousness doesn't have electrons or protons. There goes that theory. 🙄

Originally posted by Blair Wind
You do know your making no sense right? Bobby is an elemental. Omega mutant elemental to be more precise. Therefore he CAN turn to PURE ice, water, or water vapor. Please show me one more scan of Magneto ever stealing someones life force. Please.
Damn you use one word wrong and someone jumps at you. Doesnt matter. Ive listed various ways as to how Iceman could win, and all your defenses for him where a bit ambigious. Oh and Bobby can MAKE it that cold. Doesnt mean when he is ice he becomes that cold 😬
Gravity? What does gravity have to do with it? Iceman "teleports" to more water vapor. Tell me HOW does Magneto know where Iceman is coming from and HOW Magneto can stop his water turning to gas, or is head?

All this "he's an Omega Mutant, so he automatically wins" bullshit is getting a little tiring here at KMC. Stating he's an Omega in my opinion is a cop out answer.

Stealing life energy? Um.... kay?

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/2629/magdrawslifeenergy8et.jpg

😑 And you still haven't come up with a way for Bobby to defend against this.

Alright alright, sorry for the transmutating comment. 😂

Bobby can't make it absolute zero. Plain and simple. Ice and water can be manipulated by Mags. Magneto used Bobby's attack to POWER himself up. Why's that hard to understand? Obviously Bobby can be manipulated by Magneto's powers. So yes, he can sense where Bobby is. And Magneto can create sentient beings out of EM energy as well. It goes both ways. Water can be controlled by Magneto as well, just like it can with Bobby. The difference? Magneto has thousands of other powers at his disposal.

And Magneto's shields can't be manipulated on the inside. He controls what goes on in there. So at best, Bobby's powers get deflected, or power Magneto up, while he's getting his life energy drained.