Iceman Vs. Magneto

Originally posted by batdude123
Bobby is alive, isn't he? He isn't pure water vapor or ice. He is alive. Therefore, he can have his lifefoce sucked out, and Magneto can sense where he is. Plain and simple. Water and ice have molecules that can be manipulated by Magneto. He was POWERED up by Bobby's attack. The cold is not going to hurt him. And Iceman can't transmutate. To transmutate means to convert one chemical into another. Turning ice into water isn't transmutating. 😂 THEY'RE THE SAME CHEMICAL. crylaugh Oh, and Magneto can also create a sentient being of EM energy to combat for him as well. And the space comment was just a word of association. Virtually absolute zero doesn't mean it is absolute zero. Other wise, Bobby wouldn't even be able to move himself at all. He would LACK kinetic movement in his body. Nothing in the universe can happen without kinetic movement. 😂 And gravity could also be taken over by Magneto, so Bobby would be helpless. Magneto wins here. 😉

For Claritys sake,

he wasnt wrong by using the word Transmutate, well, potentially wasnt wrong.

SCIENTIFFICLY, you are correct. it is, "to convert one element into another by bombarding it with alpha particles or neutrons"

But to transmutate can also mean to transform in form or apperance IE Solid to liquid, gas. etc.

so your both right

Originally posted by batdude123
All this "he's an Omega Mutant, so he automatically wins" bullshit is getting a little tiring here at KMC. Stating he's an Omega in my opinion is a cop out answer.

Stealing life energy? Um.... kay?

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/2629/magdrawslifeenergy8et.jpg

😑 And you still haven't come up with a way for Bobby to defend against this.

Alright alright, sorry for the transmutating comment. 😂

Bobby can't make it absolute zero. Plain and simple. Ice and water can be manipulated by Mags. Magneto used Bobby's attack to POWER himself up. Why's that hard to understand? Obviously Bobby can be manipulated by Magneto's powers. So yes, he can sense where Bobby is. And Magneto can create sentient beings out of EM energy as well. It goes both ways. Water can be controlled by Magneto as well, just like it can with Bobby. The difference? Magneto has thousands of other powers at his disposal.

And Magneto's shields can't be manipulated on the inside. He controls what goes on in there. So at best, Bobby's powers get deflected, or power Magneto up, while he's getting his life energy drained.

No show me one BESIDES that Phoenix life force scan? Ive seen it enough times. Please

Show me a scan of Magneto actually controlling bobby since he is ice. Or that scan your obsessing over that is just pure hearsay. Get the scan.

He can sense Bobbys consciousness?? Please, how is going to differentiate between water vapor.............and water vapor?
Thats he he defends. Bobby wont let him find him.

Mags can control what happens beyond the shield? So if say Spartan could teleport a peice of wood inside the shield, it wouldnt happen because? He cant control what happens if it just bypasses the shield itself. So yet again he can stop all his molecular motion. Die by turning his water into gas, or his head into water. Iceman wins 😉

Another thing, in that scan of phoenix, phoenix was weakened in that;;;, im not saying Magneto COULDENT do the same to iceman, but Iceman IS a very powerful mutant with complete mastery over his own element.

Whats to say magneto wouldent struggle trying rip his life force and or manipulate iceman? You have to factor in Iceman being an omega mutant into that formula, because it would be the difference between iceman getting played with and iceman remaining firm

Originally posted by Blair Wind
No show me one BESIDES that Phoenix life force scan? Ive seen it enough times. Please

Show me a scan of Magneto actually controlling bobby since he is ice. Or that scan your obsessing over that is just pure hearsay. Get the scan.

He can sense Bobbys consciousness?? Please, how is going to differentiate between water vapor.............and water vapor?
Thats he he defends. Bobby wont let him find him.

Mags can control what happens beyond the shield? So if say Spartan could teleport a peice of wood inside the shield, it wouldnt happen because? He cant control what happens if it just bypasses the shield itself. So yet again he can stop all his molecular motion. Die by turning his water into gas, or his head into water. Iceman wins 😉

I show a scan proving what I say, and what do I get? Blair being a buttmunch. 😐 If he can do that to the Phoenix, then he can do it to Bobby... 😗 He obviously can do it, you just can't defend against it.... evillaugh

Srank has the scans...

Actually, good try, but no. The shield he created around his house can even stop teleporters from entering... yeah, he's that damn good. 😐

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/5045/magbigforcefield4wy.jpg

So Bobby ain't doing jack inside Magneto's shield. 😉

Magneto wins.

Originally posted by batdude123
I show a scan proving what I say, and what do I get? Blair being a buttmunch. 😐 If he can do that to the Phoenix, then he can do it to Bobby... 😗 He obviously can do it, you just can't defend against it.... evillaugh

Srank has the scans...

Actually, good try, but no. The shield he created around his house can even stop teleporters from entering... yeah, he's that damn good. 😐

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/5045/magbigforcefield4wy.jpg

So Bobby ain't doing jack inside Magneto's shield. 😉

Magneto wins.

He did it once.....once isnt good enough man

and umm......when did it show the person actually.....teleporting? 😕

Originally posted by batdude123
I show a scan proving what I say, and what do I get? Blair being a buttmunch. 😐 If he can do that to the Phoenix, then he can do it to Bobby... 😗 He obviously can do it, you just can't defend against it.... evillaugh

Srank has the scans...

Actually, good try, but no. The shield he created around his house can even stop teleporters from entering... yeah, he's that damn good. 😐

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/5045/magbigforcefield4wy.jpg

So Bobby ain't doing jack inside Magneto's shield. 😉

Magneto wins.

I understand what your saying and its a good point, but i mean, the scan doesnt entirely proove that he could absolutely do it to magneto. She even said herself in the scan that she needs more energy, and that magneto saw her weakness, which enabled him to do such. Its not as impersseive as say, an anus wielding life beating pheonix. Not to say it was a lackluster feat. My point is, She was weak in that state, thus makeing it very questionable wether or not he could do the same to Iceman, or even manipulate him.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
She was weak in that state, thus makeing it very questionable wether or not he could do the same to Iceman, or even manipulate him.

He did it before, and she was weak after combatting Erik. 😐

Originally posted by Blair Wind
He did it once.....once isnt good enough man

and umm......when did it show the person actually.....teleporting? 😕

Btw, I forgot to mention the simple fact that Magneto could send Bobby to another dimension for the BFR win via a wormhole. (X-Men: The End and Excalibur Vol. 3) Iceman=bye bye 😛

Originally posted by batdude123
He did it before, and she was weak after combatting Erik. 😐

But he weakened her through combat or what have you, and THEN sucked her life force right? (im not being smart if it sounds that way lol, i am just trying to ensure my memory is not faulty)

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
But he weakened her through combat or what have you, and THEN sucked her life force right? (im not being smart if it sounds that way lol, i am just trying to ensure my memory is not faulty)

Something like that, but a hell of a feat nonetheless. And it's not like Bobby is gonna win in .5 seconds (if he does win). Magneto has used Bobby's ice to power himself up. Ice can be controlled by Erik.

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Originally posted by batdude123
Something like that, but a hell of a feat nonetheless. And it's not like Bobby is gonna win in .5 seconds (if he does win). Magneto has used Bobby's ice to power himself up. Ice can be controlled by Erik.

I see, yes a good feat none the less. I just dont think he could do it right off the bat, Perhaps eventually though as he did to phoenix. The only problem im seeing is sure, Magneto can control Ice to some degree, becuase some of what ice/water is composed of is in the em spectrum. But i seriously doubt he could do what iceman could do withinn his own range and better, let alone overpower Icemans own manipulation.

I could see it going either way, although i think Mags has more ways to kill iceman than iceman does mags. As far as raw power goes though, i duno.. hard to say. I mean, iceman is an omega mutant. BUT dont get me wrong, i am by no means saying that is merit for an iceman win

im just saying, when you look at all the other omega mutant feats and put them in perspective with iceman, (Vulcan, Cable, to name a few) they are all rediculous.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
I see, yes a good feat none the less. I just dont think he could do it right off the bat, Perhaps eventually though as he did to phoenix. The only problem im seeing is sure, Magneto can control Ice to some degree, becuase some of what ice/water is composed of is in the em spectrum. But i seriously doubt he could do what iceman could do withinn his own range and better, let alone overpower Icemans own manipulation.

I could see it going either way, although i think Mags has more ways to kill iceman than iceman does mags. As far as raw power goes though, i duno.. hard to say. I mean, iceman is an omega mutant. BUT dont get me wrong, i am by no means saying that is merit for an iceman win

im just saying, when you look at all the other omega mutant feats and put them in perspective with iceman, (Vulcan, Cable, to name a few) they are all rediculous.

Oh I agree that he can't control ice as well as Iceman. That'd be retarded of me to say. 😂 However, the effects of it have proved to by null. As a matter of fact, he can be powered up by it. 😉

Fair enough. It'd be a good battle.

And did you say something about Cable? 😖hifty:

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Originally posted by batdude123
Oh I agree that he can't control ice as well as Iceman. That'd be retarded of me to say. 😂 However, the effects of it have proved to by null. As a matter of fact, he can be powered up by it. 😉

Fair enough. It'd be a good battle.

And did you say something about Cable? 😖hifty:

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http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xforce2538ku3.jpg
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I agree, i think it would be a good battle, i just dont know as much about iceman as i do about magneto though, so im not entirely sure from his side. Im almost inclined to say magneto due to his incredible defenses, but i cant make a firm descision becuase of my iceman ignorance
ice-ignorance.
lol

as for the last part of your post lol

I ment Cable circa Cable & Deadpool 7-11? i think those are the issues. I think that cable would kill magneto or put up an extremely good fight. but i could be wrong. Maybe someone shuold make that thread>?

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Somebody tampering with MAGNETO'S blood. Yeah, good luck with that one. 😂 🙄

Celestial Ship>Anything Magneto has ever done.Bobby>Celestial ship.Bobby>Magneto.