You're Favorite Sith Lord

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Originally posted by Allankles
What does Exar Kun stunning non-force sensitives have to do with anything? And the Exile is far from average, an average or slightly above average Jedi wouldn't have accomplished what the Exile did.
Its not a non force sensitive, its millions if not hundreds and thousands which pretty much shows the immense power he wields and along with that the fact he had the dark side energy to back him up aiding him to rip lukes spirit from his bodies.

Oh i forgot and exars amulet can instantly dissintegrate nihilus along with that not much effort to do so.

Right and just what did the exile achieve anyway other than killing her mentor kreia and being able to bond with people quickly.

Oh so now shes a powerhouse? Put her against exar or revan, she wouldnt last long against either of them

Originally posted by Darth Sparrow
ok, Im sorry if i thought episode 1,2,3 were better. point being-they were. and Nilhius was a great Sith...so don't even put them in the same league...I have more respect for characters like Assjii Ventress then i do for Luke! He isn't worthy to carey the skywalker name...

This guy has serious mental problems..

Originally posted by Thiru
Its not a non force sensitive, its millions if not hundreds and thousands which pretty much shows the immense power he wields and along with that the fact he had the dark side energy to back him up aiding him to rip lukes spirit from his bodies.

Oh i forgot and exars amulet can instantly dissintegrate nihilus along with that not much effort to do so.

Right and just what did the exile achieve anyway other than killing her mentor kreia and being able to bond with people quickly.

Oh so now shes a powerhouse? Put her against exar or revan, she wouldnt last long against either of them

Kun is overrated, and he's nowhere near as powerful as Nihilus. Kun stunned a group of a hundred senators, that's nothing compared to draining an entire planet with sheer force power. Don't get me wrong, it is a measure of Kun's power over the force, however it has nothing on Nihilus' draining Katarr (sp?).

Secondly, the Luke Exar Kun dealt with was far less powerful than the current Luke of the NJO. He was still a green Jedi when he encountered Kun, plus that feat had more to do with Luke's lack of knowledge than any power by Kun.

And as far as the Exile being a powerhouse... well duh! She was a powerhouse in her own era. And why does Revan get the benefit of the doubt? I would say the Exile achieved more, combat wise in Kotor 2 than Revan did in Kotor 1.

I dare you to tell me that any old Jedi could achieved what the Exile did in Kotor 2. She's quite obviously a uniquely gifted Jedi. I also recall the Jedi Masters mentioning that she grew more powerful with every successive kill.

Originally posted by Allankles
Kun is overrated, and he's nowhere near as powerful as Nihilus. Kun stunned a group of a hundred senators, that's nothing compared to draining an entire planet with sheer force power. Don't get me wrong, it is a measure of Kun's power over the force, however it has nothing on Nihilus' draining Katarr (sp?).
Again not a hundred but millions, And draining the entire planet? He merely drained a group of jedi along with the miraluka whom are inferior to him that is all.
Again elaborate just how "powerful" nihilus is seeing he never does anything remarkable other than draining a planet. Oh i forgot, he simply cuts them off the force, kills them and then feeds on the death he has just caused, it isnt a singular attack or technique.
Originally posted by Allankles

Secondly, the Luke Exar Kun dealt with was far less powerful than the current Luke of the NJO. He was still a green Jedi when he encountered Kun, plus that feat had more to do with Luke's lack of knowledge than any power by Kun.
Just to let you know that was a post DE luke whom surpasses everybody including yoda as well as gaining vast amounts of knowledge from DE sidious. Along with that kun is a 4000 year old spirit and spirits tend to weaken as time passes by, oh yes i forgot that he hasnt used force powers in lets say over 4000 years.

Yet he kills gantoris instantly with a wave of his hand while choking 10 students at once

Originally posted by Allankles

And as far as the Exile being a powerhouse... well duh! She was a powerhouse in her own era. And why does Revan get the benefit of the doubt? I would say the Exile achieved more, combat wise in Kotor 2 than Revan did in Kotor 1.
You forgot revan achieved alot more combat wise being stated to be the best swordsman of the kotor era and due to the fact he has more knowledge than the entire jedi and sith archives, right knowledge = power.

And as for the malachor incident instead of being crushed by malachors he fed on it, while sion nihilus traya and the exile got consumed buy it turning into what they are.

A powerhouse indeed

Originally posted by Allankles

I dare you to tell me that any old Jedi could achieved what the Exile did in Kotor 2. She's quite obviously a uniquely gifted Jedi. I also recall the Jedi Masters mentioning that she grew more powerful with every successive kill.
Fallible opinions, I dare you to tell me exile > revan and exar kun. And what is powerful to them?

The last i recall vrook, atris and zez kai ell are bantha fodder save for kavar whom is an exceptional duelist in my opinion. Atris gets consumed by the dark side by merely having a few sith holocrons in her academy, Vrook and zez kai ell on the other matter dont have shit on them.

Did they ever met exar kun personally? Did they even train him? No they didnt,

Face it, revan and kun >>>> exile seeing she is stated to be an ordinary jedi

Originally posted by Thiru
Again not a hundred but millions, And draining the entire planet? He merely drained a group of jedi along with the miraluka whom are inferior to him that is all.

Nihilus draining the entire planet's life, in unseen, unheard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK8UiRGIltY

And before I forget here's Kun's feat.

A good feat, but not on the same level as Nihilus's. Let's not forget also, that he was freezing a bunch of non force sensitives.

Originally posted by Thiru
Oh i forgot, he simply cuts them off the force, kills them and then feeds on the death he has just caused, it isnt a [b] singular attack or technique.[/B]

Here's an excerpt on Nihilus power.

It is a technique that is almost as old as the Sith themselves... it is a means of severing connections between life, the Force, and feeding upon the death it causes.It cannot be taught... it can only be gained through instinct, through experiencing its effects, first-hand.{Quietly}Yes. And he fed upon its destruction - it will sustain him, for a time.Because it is not something that can ever truly be controlled... and it leaves nothing to conquer in its wake.

It's immensely destructive. The feeding, is what Nihilus does after he's killed you.

Originally posted by Thiru
Just to let you know that was a post DE luke whom surpasses everybody including yoda as well as gaining vast amounts of knowledge from DE sidious. Along with that kun is a 4000 year old spirit and spirits tend to weaken as time passes by, oh yes i forgot that he hasnt used force powers in lets say over 4000 years..

😆 Surpasses Yoda! Who's feeding you these lies?! Yoda is the epitome of Jedi power and wisdom. Only the overpowered Luke of the Vong series onwards could have Yoda beat and that's only in the power department.

DE Luke is dark side enhanced (then aided by Leia against Palps) and only briefly. Afterwards he goes on to stalemate Jorus C'baoth who (even somewhat acknowledges himself) is the inferior to Palps, struggles with droids in the Hand of thrawn duology etc etc. Let's not forget that Kun caught Luke by suprise. Really, in comparison to the PT masters Luke's knowledge was inferior by the time of the Jedi academy series (15 ABY).

Originally posted by Thiru
Yet he kills gantoris instantly with a wave of his hand while choking 10 students at once
You forgot revan achieved alot more combat wise being stated to be the best swordsman of the kotor era and due to the fact he has more knowledge than the entire jedi and sith archives, right knowledge = power.

Gantoris was an average Jedi. Chocking padawns? big deal. Kun's spirit is brimming with DS energy, the padawans are mere fledglings in the ways of the force. Now, Kun must be the uber.

Revan's swordmanship has never been commented on, further still if you want to go the route of back ground story, the Exile was a General on the field in the Mando wars while Revan commanded from the safety of his flagship.

Moving on from there, the Exile was in more large scale battles in Kotor 2 than Revan was in Kotor 1 e.g. the battle for Dantooine, the Civil war in Onderon, the destruction of the exchange, not to mention the battle of Telos. Not saying Revan didn't battle (the frequency is the same) but the Exile was in more large scale battles.

Originally posted by Thiru
And as for the malachor incident instead of being crushed by malachors he fed on it, while sion nihilus traya and the exile got consumed buy it turning into what they are.

A powerhouse indeed
[B]

The Exile was right there on Malachor 5 when it crushed the Mandos, Revan wasn't - he was delayed. Second, if you followed Kotor 2 you'd know that the Exile turned away from the dark side, she was not consumed by it.

Originally posted by Thiru
[B]Atris gets consumed by the dark side by merely having a few sith holocrons in her academy, Vrook and zez kai ell on the other matter dont have shit on them.[B]

What do the Kotor council have to do with this? And Atris fell because of regret, not because of holocrons. The holcrons were a consequence of her fall.

Originally posted by Thiru
[B]Face it, revan and kun >>>> exile seeing she is stated to be an ordinary jedi

She was stated to be average as a padawan, but things obviously change. But even in that recording Vandar observes that Exile has some unique gifts. Also, Vandar himself states (in Kotor 1) that he's not a fine judge of talent. Malak states that "[the Exile's] masters spoke highly of [her],..... of [her] skills in battle."

If you wish to believe that the Exile isn't a powerhouse of her time, then there's obviously a disconnect, in your assesment, with what she might have been in the past, with what she is now.

Lastly, Mandalore (the great admirer of Revan) pretty much considers the Exile, Revan's equal, despite the countless Jedi he's come into contact with.

"With Revan I thought he was a single warrior (i.e one of a kind), nothing we threw at him could stop him, until I met you.... [then he goes of on a rant about how the Mandos will do their best to serve]" - Mandalore Kotor 2.

here's the convo....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzAkL4147M0

If you add in the Exile's big achievements, plus Kreia stating that the Exile is her greatest student (despite training Revan), you pretty much have enough support for the Exile being a powerhouse in her era. It's not even worth arguing over, but I've entertained you.

Originally posted by Allankles
Nihilus draining the entire planet's life, in unseen, unheard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK8UiRGIltY

So?

Originally posted by Allankles

And before I forget here's Kun's feat.

A good feat, but not on the same level as Nihilus's. Let's not forget also, that he was freezing a bunch of non force sensitives.

Does everything have to be done on a force user to be "impressive"? Lets also forget that nihilus got defeated by a non force sensitive with the exile

Originally posted by Allankles

It is a technique that is almost as old as the Sith themselves... it is a means of severing connections between life, the Force, and feeding upon the death it causes.It cannot be taught... it can only be gained through instinct, through experiencing its effects, first-hand.{Quietly}Yes. And he fed upon its destruction - it will sustain him, for a time.Because it is not something that can ever truly be controlled... and it leaves nothing to conquer in its wake.
Good thing this backs my claims, that his drain isnt a singular technique. And i guess kreias opinion is fallible seeing that sidious learnt this technique and used it on byss.
Originally posted by Allankles

It's immensely destructive. The feeding, is what Nihilus does after he's killed you.
Or it could be it is "immesely destructive" before he kills you, now for that part exar kun beats him in that category, seeing that his amulet blast holds enough power to dissentigrate a sith wrym made out of sith alchemy and the force

Lets not forget nihilus used this power on kreia when she stated he cut her off the force, wheres the destruction? Or when he tried to do it on the exile, wheres the destruction?

Originally posted by Allankles

😆 Surpasses Yoda! Who's feeding you these lies?! Yoda is the epitome of Jedi power and wisdom. Only the overpowered Luke of the Vong series onwards could have Yoda beat and that's only in the power department.
Lets see, as of DE luke studies under sidious as well as the ancient jedi artifacts on ossus, Him receiving tutelage from de sidious whom alone > yoda pretty much indicates to me how much luke has learnt
Originally posted by Allankles

DE Luke is dark side enhanced (then aided by Leia against Palps) and only briefly. Afterwards he goes on to stalemate Jorus C'baoth who (even somewhat acknowledges himself) is the inferior to Palps, struggles with droids in the Hand of thrawn duology etc etc. Let's not forget that Kun caught Luke by suprise. Really, in comparison to the PT masters Luke's knowledge was inferior by the time of the Jedi academy series (15 ABY).
Wasnt heir to the empire and jorus before DE? I think your point holds no water

Originally posted by Allankles

Gantoris was an average Jedi. Chocking padawns? big deal. Kun's spirit is brimming with DS energy, the padawans are mere fledglings in the ways of the force. Now, Kun must be the uber.

Now that nihilus drained weakling miralukas and inferior jedis, he also must be uber, Good one allankes, the fact that he choked students in DA whom were able to send the force into space distorting an imperial fleet pretty much says otherwise.

Right, the jedi nihilus killed were also average or who knows? maybe even below average seeing they have never done shit in their life

Originally posted by Allankles

Revan's swordmanship has never been commented on, further still if you want to go the route of back ground story, the Exile was a General on the field in the Mando wars while Revan commanded from the safety of his flagship.

It has by dorak. And how do you know revan stayed in his flagship? it has been stated by kreia that he himself went to the battlefield that he killed mandalore in a hand to hand fight.
Originally posted by Allankles

Moving on from there, the Exile was in more large scale battles in Kotor 2 than Revan was in Kotor 1 e.g. the battle for Dantooine, the Civil war in Onderon, the destruction of the exchange, not to mention the battle of Telos. Not saying Revan didn't battle (the frequency is the same) but the Exile was in more large scale battles.
The battle of dantooine wasnt a "large scale" one seeing that in only involves 20 people per side. A part where a jedi has an obvious advatnage. And what did the exile to during the battle of telos? Right nothing other than fighting nihilus, Oh wait how bout onderon when she has an army?(queen talias royalists)

Originally posted by Allankles

The Exile was right there on Malachor 5 when it crushed the Mandos, Revan wasn't - he was delayed. Second, if you followed Kotor 2 you'd know that the Exile turned away from the dark side, she was not consumed by it.
Sadly kreia said that he actually set foot on malachor and learnt everything in the trayus academy while at the same time he was draining malachors dark side auras, kreia on the other hand got consumed and overpowered by the energies despite her "strength in the force"

Originally posted by Allankles

What do the Kotor council have to do with this? And Atris fell because of regret, not because of holocrons. The holcrons were a consequence of her fall.
Ill concede this point, still that means shes a weak-willed jedi which equates to being bantha fodder

Originally posted by Allankles

She was stated to be average as a padawan, but things obviously change. But even in that recording Vandar observes that Exile has some unique gifts. Also, Vandar himself states (in Kotor 1) that he's not a fine judge of talent. Malak states that "[the Exile's] masters spoke highly of [her],..... of [her] skills in battle."
The unique gift of forming bonds quickly, and prehaps learning forms quickly, Again so what? How is this relevant to combat prowess?
Originally posted by Allankles

If you wish to believe that the Exile isn't a powerhouse of her time, then there's obviously a disconnect, in your assesment, with what she might have been in the past, with what she is now.
Nothing to back your claim
Originally posted by Allankles

Lastly, Mandalore (the great admirer of Revan) pretty much considers the Exile, Revan's equal, despite the countless Jedi he's come into contact with.
Quote? And equal doesnt necessarily mean power, it could mean tactis which is WHAT the mandalorians admired him about
Originally posted by Allankles

"With Revan I thought he was a single warrior (i.e one of a kind), nothing we threw at him could stop him, until I met you.... [then he goes of on a rant about how the Mandos will do their best to serve]" - Mandalore Kotor 2.
Military tactics

here's the

Originally posted by Allankles
convo....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzAkL4147M0

If you add in the Exile's big achievements, plus Kreia stating that the Exile is her greatest student (despite training Revan), you pretty much have enough support for the Exile being a powerhouse in her era. It's not even worth arguing over, but I've entertained you.

The keyword is greatest not strongest, While dorak who also knows the exile stated that revan is the strongest they ever trained

EDIT. lets not forget that a DE luke can absorb a bolt shot by an ATAT as well as taking it down by merely gesturing,

Or how but the fact that he destroys an entire army of war droids with a wave of his hand

Originally posted by Allankles
Kun is overrated, and he's nowhere near as powerful as Nihilus. Kun stunned a group of a hundred senators, that's nothing compared to draining an entire planet with sheer force power. Don't get me wrong, it is a measure of Kun's power over the force, however it has nothing on Nihilus' draining Katarr (sp?).

Except for the fact that he was able to withstand a wall of light technique so what makes you think Nihilus will automatically drain him. Furthermore, what's to stop Kun from amulet blasting him or shooting that black lightning at him. You have no logic whatsoever.

And as far as the Exile being a powerhouse... well duh! She was a powerhouse in her own era. And why does Revan get the benefit of the doubt? I would say the Exile achieved more, combat wise in Kotor 2 than Revan did in Kotor 1.

This is the dumbest thing you've ever stated. Not only was the exile NOT a powerhouse which we've proven and you've been defeated many times, but the exile was NOWHERE near Revan's abilities nor accomplishments. This makes you look incredibly stupid.

I dare you to tell me that any old Jedi could achieved what the Exile did in Kotor 2. She's quite obviously a uniquely gifted Jedi. I also recall the Jedi Masters mentioning that she grew more powerful with every successive kill.

Revan achieved more. The exile was an average jedi. We have proven this time and time again yet you make a fool out of yourself because you just don't know when to shut up.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Except for the fact that he was able to withstand a wall of light technique so what makes you think Nihilus will automatically drain him. Furthermore, what's to stop Kun from amulet blasting him or shooting that black lightning at him. You have no logic whatsoever.

This is the dumbest thing you've ever stated. Not only was the exile NOT a powerhouse which we've proven and you've been defeated many times, but the exile was NOWHERE near Revan's abilities nor accomplishments. This makes you look incredibly stupid.

Revan achieved more. The exile was an average jedi. We have proven this time and time again yet you make a fool out of yourself because you just don't know when to shut up.

Stop frothing in the mouth and you've proven nothing. Where's your proof? The Exile has done more than enough to be considered a powerhouse in her era and Kotor pretty much supports my claims, that Revan and the Exile were equals, two polar halves; life and death; yin and yang. The symbolism is easily identified. I don't care for your fanboyish attachement to Revan either.

"I thought that Revan was a singular Jedi, but now there's you [the Exile]. With all our martial training, battles and ethics, even our greatest warriors are no much for you [the Exile]" - Mandalore to the Exile.

Originally posted by Thiru
So?

The unique gift of forming bonds quickly, and prehaps learning forms quickly, Again so what? How is this relevant to combat prowess?
Nothing to back your claim

Laughable. What about the feats that speak for themselves? The quotes I've provided? The supporting evidence that's on offer?

I know all of Revan's major feats (and the substantial ones i.e. Kotor 1). I don't need retelling, but you needed abit of that from me with regards to the Exile.

Oh and you forgot to add that the Exile grows more powerful with every kill.

And Kun is still overrated, he's powerful but well below the PT Sith and as far as sheer force power goes, Nihilus has him beat there as well. I mean, Nihilus was described as a force of nature i.e. he's more of a presence tjan a man.

He can rip life out of planets with his will alone (no artifacts necessary). He's got higher TK showings than most Sith (Sidious being the exception). Is almost ilvulnerable to force sensitives in direct combat.

Any one strong in the force is extremely vulnerable to Nihilus.

The Exile isn't given as much verbal fellatio as Revan. I chalk that up to the less juvenile writing in Kotor 2, but there's more than enough evidence in her showings and the verbal fellatio that she's received to easily support her being a powerhouse in her era.

Originally posted by Thiru
EDIT. lets not forget that a DE luke can absorb a bolt shot by an ATAT as well as taking it down by merely gesturing,

Or how but the fact that he destroys an entire army of war droids with a wave of his hand

Didn't Mace do that in the clone wars (against a much larger droid army)? How the hell does this put him above Yoda? The whole post DE Luke has surpassed (insert golden era top tier) consensus opinion here, is a myth. And I'll tell you why, post DE Luke still struggles with big threats like every other Jedi. It's only much further on in the NJO does his power definitively eclipse the golden era Jedi.

Post DE Luke is still having trouble fighting C'baoth. Still having trouble battling droids in the Hand of Thrawn duology etc etc. So while Kun's DS knowledge is impressive and he's undoubtedly powerful, ripping Luke's spirit is not as big a deal as you're making it out to be.

If Luke had expected such an attack the outcome would have been different. You're also trying to make it seem that post DE Luke never gets surprised, he did and he still does even now. On the flip side of this irrelevant point (it still pales in comparison to Nihilus ability to drain a planet's life), Kun got beaten by a group of padawans.

Originally posted by Allankles
Stop frothing in the mouth and you've proven nothing. Where's your proof? The Exile has done more than enough to be considered a powerhouse in her era and Kotor pretty much supports my claims, that Revan and the Exile were equals, two polar halves; life and death; yin and yang. The symbolism is easily identified. I don't care for your fanboyish attachement to Revan either.

I've proven nothing? I (along with everyone else) have defeated your points back and forth and you can't shut up. The exile has done NOTHING that would consider her a powerhouse, and just because you say so doesn't make it happen. Revan and the exile were equals? That is yet another moronic statement backed up by absolutely NOTHING. The exile wasn't half as powerful as Revan was. Symbolism? Right moron. Fanboyism? Based on your pathetic (and defeated) arguments, I'd say you're a huge exile fanboy, while I've backed up Revan ample times.

"I thought that Revan was a singular Jedi, but now there's you [the Exile]. With all our martial training, battles and ethics, even our greatest warriors are no much for you [the Exile]" - Mandalore to the Exile.

Great, and Revan was called the heart of the force and the greatest tactician ever by Canderous. What's your point? Oh right, that passing off 3rd party speculation as fact makes your arguments pitiful.

Originally posted by Allankles
The Exile isn't given as much verbal fellatio as Revan. I chalk that up to the less juvenile writing in Kotor 2, but there's more than enough evidence in her showings and the verbal fellatio that she's received to easily support her being a powerhouse in her era.

You can "chalk" up whatever the hell you want, but your disappointment with the story doesn't replace fact. By your pathetic logic, I can say Sidious and Luke are the most verbally fellated characters in the SW universe, yet they are the most powerful. There is NO evidence supporting her being a powerhouse. Just because you throw in the same ridiculous arguments repeatedly doesn't change any facts.

Originally posted by Allankles
I know all of Revan's major feats (and the substantial ones i.e. Kotor 1). I don't need retelling, but you needed abit of that from me with regards to the Exile.

Actually nothing the exile has done comes remotely close to Revan's accomplishments and feats. You claiming it does makes no difference.

Oh and you forgot to add that the Exile grows more powerful with every kill.

Irrelevant.

And Kun is still overrated, he's powerful but well below the PT Sith and as far as sheer force power goes, Nihilus has him beat there as well. I mean, Nihilus was described as a force of nature i.e. he's more of a presence tjan a man.

You claiming Kun is overrated is your opinion and nobody cares. Well below the PT sith? The only sith he is "below" would be Sidious. He's a top 5-10 powerhouse. Who cares what Nihilus was described as, he was a wound in the force.

He can rip life out of planets with his will alone (no artifacts necessary). He's got higher TK showings than most Sith (Sidious being the exception). Is almost ilvulnerable to force sensitives in direct combat.

He destroyed ONE planet. Congratulations. ANd it's not his ability, it's who he is.

Any one strong in the force is extremely vulnerable to Nihilus. [/B]

And vice versa. Except the likes of Luke and Sidious who would wipe the floor with Sidious.

Originally posted by Allankles
Didn't Mace do that in the clone wars (against a much larger droid army)? How the hell does this put him above Yoda? The whole post DE Luke has surpassed (insert golden era top tier) consensus opinion here, is a myth. And I'll tell you why, post DE Luke still struggles with big threats like every other Jedi. It's only much further on in the NJO does his power definitively eclipse the golden era Jedi.

Post DE Luke is still having trouble fighting C'baoth. Still having trouble battling droids in the Hand of Thrawn duology etc etc. So while Kun's DS knowledge is impressive and he's undoubtedly powerful, ripping Luke's spirit is not as big a deal as you're making it out to be.

If Luke had expected such an attack the outcome would have been different. You're also trying to make it seem that post DE Luke never gets surprised, he did and he still does even now. On the flip side of this irrelevant point (it still pales in comparison to Nihilus ability to drain a planet's life), Kun got beaten by a group of padawans.

Yet choking 20 of Luke's students simultaneously while being a spirit, IS impressive.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Actually nothing the exile has done comes remotely close to Revan's accomplishments and feats. You claiming it does makes no difference.

This is why you suck at debating you don't know how to put your bias aside.

Revan:-

Converted Jedi with the ds

Led the Republic to victory in the mando wars - a respected military strategist.

Defeated Malak

Help defeat Czerka on Kasshyk

Defeated a number of dark Jedi in the star forge

Defeated the dark Rakata in Rakata prime.

Saved the Republic

Exile:-

Helped the Republic win the Mando wars - a feared general.

Helped deafeat the mercenary invasion of Dantooine.

Defeated Sion, Nihilus and Traya

Helped end the exchange's slave trafficing in the NarShadda sector.

Defeated a number of Dark Jedi on Malachor 5.

Ended the Onderonian civil war.

Won the battle of Telos

Saved the galaxy

I would say the Exile's accomplishments stack up well against Revan

Originally posted by Allankles
This is why you suck at debating you don't know how to put your bias aside.

LOL.. Coming from an exile fanboy. When you win a debate, let me know.

Revan:-

Converted Jedi with the ds

Led the Republic to victory in the mando wars - a respected military strategist.

Defeated Malak

Help defeat Czerka on Kasshyk

Defeated a number of dark Jedi in the star forge

Defeated the dark Rakata in Rakata prime.

Saved the Republic

Exile:-

Helped the Republic win the Mando wars - a feared general.

Helped deafeat the mercenary invasion of Dantooine.

Defeated Sion, Nihilus and Traya

Helped end the exchange's slave trafficing in the NarShadda sector.

Defeated a number of Dark Jedi on Malachor 5.

Ended the Onderonian civil war.

Won the battle of Telos

Saved the galaxy

I would say the Exile's accomplishments stack up well against Revan


Except they don't. Revan and his war left 100 jedi, Revan destroyed the SF and Malak, Revan was the heart of the force, Revan went to fight the true sith. There's no competition, no matter what you ***** about.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
LOL.. Coming from an exile fanboy. When you win a debate, let me know.

Except they don't. Revan and his war left 100 jedi, Revan destroyed the SF and Malak, Revan was the heart of the force, Revan went to fight the true sith. There's no competition, no matter what you ***** about.

Which exile fanboy? I use logical deduction. She's one of only two great heroes in the Kotor series thus far. Defeated arguably three of the most powerful Sith Lords of her era.

Was stated to be at least Revan's equal by respectable sources (Revan's former master, and a loyal Revan cronie in Canderous). What part of supported evidence don't you get?

Revan didn't kill those Jedi in the civil war, I don't see what kind of point your making. Starting a war isn't a great feat. And as usual you've answered my substance with this inane dribbling.

Do a run down of significant accomplishments and the Exile stacks up well with your god Revan. Just because you don't think highly of the Exile, doesn't mean she wasn't a powerhouse in her era.

I don't think highly of Revan but at least I recognize his ability, and the Exile has abilities that pretty much support the idea that she was a power house in her era.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
You can "chalk" up whatever the hell you want, but your disappointment with the story doesn't replace fact. By your pathetic logic, I can say Sidious and Luke are the most verbally fellated characters in the SW universe, yet they are the most powerful. There is NO evidence supporting her being a powerhouse. Just because you throw in the same ridiculous arguments repeatedly doesn't change any facts.

Dude, why the hell do you get so defensive over this s**t? I never claimed dissapointment with the story, but it's obvious Kotor 1's plot is more juvenile. This is proven by the lack of consequences to actions performed by characters whether ds/ls.

And the fairy tale endings to the games both ls and ds. So it's obviously going to have more room for the kind of verbal fellatio we see, because it's trying to sell the character and can't do that with story depth and so has to rely on hyperbole and plot twists.

When your story has more depth you don't need to sell the character with additional compliments, the story will speak for the character.