You're Favorite Sith Lord

Originally posted by Allankles
Which exile fanboy? I use logical deduction. She's one of only two great heroes in the Kotor series thus far. Defeated arguably three of the most powerful Sith Lords of her era.

I don't think highly of Revan but at least I recognize his ability, and the Exile has abilities that pretty much support the idea that she was a power house in her era.

Originally posted by Allankles
[B]Dude, why the hell do you get so defensive over this s**t? I never claimed dissapointment with the story, but it's obvious Kotor 1's plot is more juvenile. This is proven by the lack of consequences to actions performed by characters whether ds/ls.

Starting a war isn't a great feat?

It isn't.

Post DE Luke is still having trouble fighting C'baoth. Still having trouble battling droids in the Hand of Thrawn duology etc etc. So while Kun's DS knowledge is impressive and he's undoubtedly powerful, ripping Luke's spirit is not as big a deal as you're making it out to be.

Luke battled C'Boath before DE. The Hand of Thrawn discrepency was explained by Zahn as a way to "depower" Luke so as to make him more believable; in the grand spectrum, we can disregard it.

Originally posted by Allankles

Post DE Luke is still having trouble fighting C'baoth. Still having trouble battling droids in the Hand of Thrawn duology etc etc. So while Kun's DS knowledge is impressive and he's undoubtedly powerful, ripping Luke's spirit is not as big a deal as you're making it out to be.

Originally posted by Allankles
Laughable. What about the feats that speak for themselves? The quotes I've provided? The supporting evidence that's on offer?

Originally posted by Allankles

I know all of Revan's major feats (and the substantial ones i.e. Kotor 1). I don't need retelling, but you needed abit of that from me with regards to the Exile.

Originally posted by Allankles

Oh and you forgot to add that the Exile grows more powerful with every kill.

Originally posted by Allankles

And Kun is still overrated, he's powerful but well below the PT Sith and as far as sheer force power goes, Nihilus has him beat there as well. I mean, Nihilus was described as a force of nature i.e. he's more of a presence tjan a man.

Originally posted by Allankles

He can rip life out of planets with his will alone (no artifacts necessary). He's got higher TK showings than most Sith (Sidious being the exception). Is almost ilvulnerable to force sensitives in direct combat.

And just how deep was the gravity well? And the loading screen never specified weather he used the force to lift his flagship if i recall correctly, Seeing that the engines are in working condition, i might as well assume he and his group of goons hopped into the ship and flew it out of the gravity well with guidence with the force (sp)

Since you love to speculate allankes, I am going to speculate like a moron such that since exar and vader and great masters of force choke and TK attacks, either of them will use the force to pop nihilus balls and wtf pwn him afterwards

Originally posted by Allankles

Any one strong in the force is extremely vulnerable to Nihilus.

We have kuns black lightning, force choke and amulets, We have banes force wave, we have vaders force crush while we have dookus mastery of makashi and would beat nihilus in a saber duel seeing we know jack about his abilities. As for revan, i think he would win too.

Im pretty sure if you strike with a devastating attack and if your a very strong force user before nihilus attacks with his drain, im sure he wouldnt be able to concentrate to use that technique because there is no evidence to show that his drain attacks are instant unlike TK and force lightning

Originally posted by Allankles

If Luke had expected such an attack the outcome would have been different. You're also trying to make it seem that post DE Luke never gets surprised, he did and he still does even now. On the flip side of this irrelevant point (it still pales in comparison to Nihilus ability to drain a planet's life), Kun got beaten by a group of padawans.

Keyword, combined efforts of the entire academy with exars former master along with them, And they were killing a 4000 eyar old spirit which according to nadd, weakens over time (unconfirmed but seeing that ragnos as a 5000 year old spirit couldnt defeat jaden, i think its pretty much true)

Originally posted by Thiru
You proved nothing save for fallible 3rd pt quotes

Fallible third party sources as opposed to what? Your opininon? Are you serious? Do you ever think over your points before posting them? Look here Sherlock, Mr. Perceptive, the third part sources (that you're so quick to call fallible) are viable as SUPPORTING evidence.

Besides, power level assessment is not objective in some cases e.g this case. A lot of Revan's hype is dependant on thrid party quotes, his biggest feats are equal to the Exiles'. We wouldn't even be having this debate if Revan didn't have third party quotes. Can you say bias?.

Originally posted by Thiru
You dont, while i do, having more knowledge than the jedi archives, reversing the effects of malachors dark side energies when it destroyed kreia turning her into what she is, killing malak while he was being empowered on the SF as well as killing many dark jedis along the way.

This is irritating, I don't need the run down. I know he beat Malak, converted Jedi and wasn't consumed by the dark side (even though he turned to the dark side which makes the feat redundant). As long as the DS doesn't consume your humanity and character, it doesn't matter.

Kun got consumed, Vader got consumed, from a certain perspective they all get taken in by the dark side, the difference is that unlike Nihilus, dark siderS don't normally loose their personalities.

Originally posted by Thiru
Powerful to a group of jedi whom could easily be broken and fall to the dark side
As far as sheer power goes according to DS he choked 20 jedi knights at once which even malak on the SF or vader a complete master of this technique could do, The most vader ever choked is 10 african like beats at once.

I hope you know you're not making a point. The same applies to Revan, he was master to a group of Jedi he easily broke. This is just irrelevant, if you're more powerful than others that is what it is, how can you hold that against anyone?

Originally posted by Thiru
And just how deep was the gravity well? And the loading screen never specified weather he used the force to lift his flagship if i recall correctly, Seeing that the engines are in working condition, i might as well assume he and his group of goons hopped into the ship and flew it out of the gravity well with guidence with the force (sp).

If that were the case I don't think, 'lifted' would have been the word used. I'm glad that your willing to dissect the feats of fictional characters, but that's a fool's errand I'm afraid. Nihilus is set in stone, metaphorically speaking of course, it's pointless to have an argument that's angleD like this, over a character we have no control over.

Originally posted by Thiru
Since you love to speculate allankes, I am going to speculate like a moron such that since exar and vader and great masters of force choke and TK attacks, either of them will use the force to pop nihilus balls and wtf pwn him afterwards
And anybody strong in the force can counter nihilus technique, not necessarily by the fallanasi technique but by attacking before being attacked.

Since you seem unable to use analogies correctly, I'll let you in on a secret, using the force on Nihilus would naturally be a disadvantage, seeing as his hunger responds more powerfully in the presence of strong force sensitives.

Of course Nihilus can be killed with a force attack and many other means, no one is denying that, but arguing with random scenarios doesn't reflect well on your reasoning.

Originally posted by Thiru
We have kuns black lightning, force choke and amulets,.

See above. This is childish reasoning. Any one strong in the force would naturally be at a disadvantage against Nihilus in single combat, I don't need to come up with subjective scenarios.

Originally posted by Thiru
Im pretty sure if you strike with a devastating attack and if your a very strong force user before nihilus attacks with his drain, im sure he wouldnt be able to concentrate to use that technique because there is no evidence to show that his drain attacks are instant unlike TK and force lightning

He attacks by stripping you of the force, the stronger you are the more efficient this technique works. It has only been shown to fail once, when Nihilus used it on another wound in the force.

Originally posted by Thiru
Keyword, [b] combined efforts of the entire academy with exars former master along with them, And they were killing a 4000 eyar old spirit which according to nadd, weakens over time (unconfirmed but seeing that ragnos as a 5000 year old spirit couldnt defeat jaden, i think its pretty much true) [/B]

It had to be a combined effort because:-

They were fledglings in the way of the force.

Kun had bound his spirit to Yavin's temples via a Sith ritual, so the Jedi had to perform a counter ritual of sorts to remove him.

Vodo as you know was fulfilling his promise before his death by helping to send Kun's spirit to oblivion.

Ragnos' spirit wasn't bound in the same way as Kun's. Secondly, Ragnos chose to posses Tavion and it's safe to assume Jaden was the more skillful combatant. Ragnos was beaten more by skill than power. Jaden was actually pretty exceptional based on his JA perfomances, plus his TK was quite impressive.

DS owns you and you come back for more

Originally posted by Allankles
Fallible third party sources as opposed to what? Your opininon? Are you serious? Do you ever think over your points before posting them? Look here Sherlock, Mr. Perceptive, the third part sources (that you're so quick to call fallible) are viable as SUPPORTING evidence.

Great supporting k2 fanboy

Originally posted by Allankles

Besides, power level assessment is not objective in some cases e.g this case. A lot of Revan's hype is dependant on thrid party quotes, his biggest feats are equal to the Exiles'. We wouldn't even be having this debate if Revan didn't have third party quotes. Can you say bias?.

Originally posted by Allankles

This is irritating, I don't need the run down. I know he beat Malak, converted Jedi and wasn't consumed by the dark side (even though he turned to the dark side which makes the feat redundant). As long as the DS doesn't consume your humanity and character, it doesn't matter.

Originally posted by Allankles

Kun got consumed, Vader got consumed, from a certain perspective they all get taken in by the dark side, the difference is that unlike Nihilus, dark siderS don't normally loose their personalities.

Originally posted by Allankles

I hope you know you're not making a point. The same applies to Revan, he was master to a group of Jedi he easily broke. This is just irrelevant, if you're more powerful than others that is what it is, how can you hold that against anyone?

Originally posted by Allankles

If that were the case I don't think, 'lifted' would have been the word used. I'm glad that your willing to dissect the feats of fictional characters, but that's a fool's errand I'm afraid. Nihilus is set in stone, metaphorically speaking of course, it's pointless to have an argument that's angleD like this, over a character we have no control over.

Originally posted by Allankles

Since you seem unable to use analogies correctly, I'll let you in on a secret, using the force on Nihilus would naturally be a disadvantage, seeing as his hunger responds more powerfully in the presence of strong force sensitives.

And whats to prove nihilus can strike faster than somebody whom is superior to him? What? Because you say so?

Originally posted by Allankles

Of course Nihilus can be killed with a force attack and many other means, no one is denying that, but arguing with random scenarios doesn't reflect well on your reasoning.

Originally posted by Allankles

See above. This is childish reasoning. Any one strong in the force would naturally be at a disadvantage against Nihilus in single combat, I don't need to come up with subjective scenarios.

Again his technique isnt singular seeing that he cuts his victims off the force, kills them, and then feeds on the death he caused, exactly as kreia stated.

Explain and elaborate how is nihilus, whom is inferior to exar and revan in the force, going to cut them off the force seeing that luke, despite the fact that he could destroy entire armys of droids with a wave of his hand, destroy and at at by gesturing with his hand, unable to cut sidious off the force alone?

Originally posted by Allankles

He attacks by stripping you of the force, the stronger you are the more efficient this technique works. It has only been shown to fail once, when Nihilus used it on another wound in the force.

Originally posted by Allankles

It had to be a combined effort because:-

They were fledglings in the way of the force.

Originally posted by Allankles

Ragnos' spirit wasn't bound in the same way as Kun's. Secondly, Ragnos chose to posses Tavion and it's safe to assume Jaden was the more skillful combatant. Ragnos was beaten more by skill than power. Jaden was actually pretty exceptional based on his JA perfomances, plus his TK was quite impressive.

You fail again

Originally posted by Allankles
Fallible third party sources as opposed to what? Your opininon? Are you serious? Do you ever think over your points before posting them? Look here Sherlock, Mr. Perceptive, the third part sources (that you're so quick to call fallible) are viable as SUPPORTING evidence.

Besides, power level assessment is not objective in some cases e.g this case. A lot of Revan's hype is dependant on thrid party quotes, his biggest feats are equal to the Exiles'. We wouldn't even be having this debate if Revan didn't have third party quotes. Can you say bias?.

Kun got consumed, Vader got consumed, from a certain perspective they all get taken in by the dark side, the difference is that unlike Nihilus, dark siderS don't normally loose their personalities.

I hope you know you're not making a point. The same applies to Revan, he was master to a group of Jedi he easily broke. This is just irrelevant, if you're more powerful than others that is what it is, how can you hold that against anyone?

If that were the case I don't think, 'lifted' would have been the word used. I'm glad that your willing to dissect the feats of fictional characters, but that's a fool's errand I'm afraid. Nihilus is set in stone, metaphorically speaking of course, it's pointless to have an argument that's angleD like this, over a character we have no control over.

Since you seem unable to use analogies correctly, I'll let you in on a secret, using the force on Nihilus would naturally be a disadvantage, seeing as his hunger responds more powerfully in the presence of strong force sensitives.

Of course Nihilus can be killed with a force attack and many other means, no one is denying that, but arguing with random scenarios doesn't reflect well on your reasoning.

See above. This is childish reasoning. Any one strong in the force would naturally be at a disadvantage against Nihilus in single combat, I don't need to come up with subjective scenarios.

Kun had bound his spirit to Yavin's temples via a Sith ritual, so the Jedi had to perform a counter ritual of sorts to remove him.

Vodo as you know was fulfilling his promise before his death by helping to send Kun's spirit to oblivion.

Ragnos' spirit wasn't bound in the same way as Kun's. Secondly, Ragnos chose to posses Tavion and it's safe to assume Jaden was the more skillful combatant. Ragnos was beaten more by skill than power. Jaden was actually pretty exceptional based on his JA perfomances, plus his TK was quite impressive. [/B]

Ragnos' spirit was in the body of a weakling. I guess you forgot what happened to Tavion once Ragnos got really angry. She got wtfpwned.

Originally posted by Thiru
DS owns you and you come back for more

To the facts moron, kreia said nihilus technique couldnt be learned, yet sidious learnt it, kreia states that the ancient sith lightsabers when various sources stated and depicted the ancient sith USING SWORDS. Tobin states nihilus pulled out a fleet, while the loading screen, a more credible source states that he only pulls his ship out.

Who's DS?

It's laughable how you think, you've owned when your arguments aren't even well thought out.

Now to dissect this bs.

Nihilus' technique could be acquired (Kreia didn't say otherwise), but it was not learned. It wasn't like practicing force lightning, it was an experience is what Kreia was saying. It was something you had to make a leap of faith with, and it's true. Look at Sidious, the dark side personified and Nihilus a ravager of worlds with absolutely no regard for life. I don't see how you've discredited Kreia here. She wasn't saying Nihilus was the only one that could use the technique merely stating the means with which it could be acquired.

You don't even understand the meaning of her words and you're quick to try and discredit her. It simple enough to read. You can gain the Nihilus ability but you cannot attain merely by study, you have to experience it.

To your other points:

Tulak Horde was not amongst the Sith of the Hyperspace war. Kreia wasn't saying the ancient Sith in the comics used lightsabers, but a different generation as Tulak Horde has been established belonged to.

Originally posted by Thiru
Great supporting k2 fanboy.

At least get a grasp of what your talking about before throwing fanboy around. You haven't discredited Kreia at all.

Originally posted by Thiru
Um no, malachor BROKE the exile, while revan FED on malachors dark side energy. That ALONE proves revan > the exile.

Did you watch the Exile's trial? Zez Kai Ell even senses that the Exile was far from broken. "Great defiance in this one.." "Many battles still left in this one" "The future is a shifting thing and she cuts like a blade through it" "Revealing such truths to the Exile would leave as vulnerable on both sides." Let's not forget that the Exile willfully turned from war and the dark side, what Malachor did was it showed the Exile the path Revan and the other Jedi were leading and she didn't want a part of that. Even Sion questions why she walked away from such power.

Originally posted by Thiru
And it destroyed kreia and the exile when it didnt to revan due to his strength of the force
This is relevant how?.

It didn't destroy the Exile, you also have to remember that the Exile formed bonds easily and the deaths caused by the MSG would have had an amplified effect on her. Besides it's a weak basis for your assertion. Kreia walked into Malachor 5 with regret, doubt and shame in her heart, it wasn't because she wasn't strong enough, merely that she wasn't emotionally stable enough - the chronicles and the story pretty much confirm this.

Originally posted by Thiru
The thing is i am, Theres enough feats and quotes to put revan > exile whereas for the exile, theres absolutely nothing?.

I would say the Exile's feats (especially the combat feats) would be slightly better than Revan's. Not to forget the accomplishments the Exile achieved on planetary level to stabilize the Republic and save the galaxy. Then on top of being responsible for the revival of the Jedi order. From a Jedi perspective the Exile would have the slightly better achievements.

Revan does have more quotes to his favor, but on the only two quotes directly comparing the two. The Exile is said to be an equal and then later the greater student.

Originally posted by Thiru
And whats to prove nihilus can strike faster than somebody whom is superior to him? What? Because you say so?
Lol and your not argueing on random scenarios? Hypocrite

Hypocrite? I haven't come up with a single random scenario. I'm not going to say Nihilus will do this or that, that's totally irrelevant. My point is that Kun or most other characters you're a fan boy of, would be at a greater disadvantage than Nihilus i.e. Nihilus would have the edge. I don't care whether Kun is a quick draw and disintegrates Nihilus that's irrelevant to the point I'm making.

Originally posted by Thiru
I guess luke and sidious would be at a disadvantage too, because you say so. I think its pretty much nihilus IS at a disadvantage against anybody seeing that he is constantly weakened when he doesnt drain a world which would give his opponents a huge advantage.

See above. It doesn't matter who? As long as they're strong in the force they'll be at a disadvantage. Whether or not they'll be killed is irrelevant.

Originally posted by Thiru
Again his technique isnt singular seeing that he cuts his victims off the force, kills them, and then feeds on the death he caused, exactly as kreia stated.

How about coming up with a relevant argument? He feeds of residual force energy that emanates from a victim who he has drained of life. He doesn't kill you in a step wise fashion.

He takes your life the instance he uses his 'hunger' and then feeds of of the death or residual dark side energy this severing creates. It's not like the victim has time to interrupt the process. It's instant.

Why is your idiotic break down of the process not addressing the manner in which Nihilus kills his victims? He drains the life from his victims by breaching the victims life energy form the force.

Originally posted by Thiru
Explain and elaborate how is nihilus, whom is inferior to exar and revan in the force, going to cut them off the force seeing that luke, despite the fact that he could destroy entire armys of droids with a wave of his hand, destroy and at at by gesturing with his hand, unable to cut sidious off the force alone?.

Kun and Revan in terms of power are Nihilus' inferior. He possesses the power to drain the life out of a galaxy, a planet at a time. He's hunger is powerful enough to breach a planets connection with the force. He perceives single beings as insignificant.

Kreia stressed the point that Nihilus was growing ever more powerful and that he would reach a point in his power where no single force user would have a chance against him, including the Exile and her 'wound'.

If Revan or Kun went up against Nihilus they'd better have packed their instant kill devices, otherwise they'd be killed and easily.

Originally posted by Thiru
Oh and we have seen him use it on kreia, yet she could still tilt a lightsaber, explain clearly please how will an inferior force user cut a superior force user off the force, Luke couldnt do it to sidious and he needed leias help, this ALONE would make nihilus technique useless, because his hunger merely feeds on the death it causes and right, how is he going to kill somebody superior?

So now a devourer of planets can't kill single targets who have never demonstrated this level of power? As far as your point about Kreia, it's one of the most idiotic arguments against Nihilus' drain and has been destroyed numerous times. First off, Nihilus and Sion didn't try to kill Kreia. As Kreia says herself, "they thought that by living me alive, I would break ..."

Sion and Nihilus wanted to break Kreia, they thought that by beating her and then weakening her in the force that she would break, but Kreia had already been disgraced earlier by the Jedi.

Originally posted by Thiru
Or due to the fact that he is superior to every one of them as a weakened spirit, again those "weaklings" were powerful enough to distort an imperial fleet

Plus a spirit weakens over time, especially over 4000-5000 years.

You fail again

The Luke of the Academy series wasn't uber, he wasn't anywhere near the powerhouse he is now.

Kun was superior to Jedi padawans, no one questioned that.

Whether or not Spirits weaken is down to the liberties of the EU writers. Ragnos seemed powerful as did Kun, whereas Nadd wasn't. I wouldn't try to assume some kind of pattern here. Jaden defeated Ragnos while Ragns was in a living body. Of course, Ragnos in his own physical form you would expect would be a tougher fight, but what about his skills? If his power was missing then his skills should have compensated, but they didn't. Plus JA suggest that Jaden was special.

Originally posted by Allankles

Originally posted by Allankles
Who's DS?

It's laughable how you think, you've owned when your arguments aren't even well thought out.

Nihilus' technique could be acquired (Kreia didn't say otherwise), but it was not learned. It wasn't like practicing force lightning, it was an experience is what Kreia was saying. It was something you had to make a leap of faith with, and it's true. Look at Sidious, the dark side personified and Nihilus a ravager of worlds with absolutely no regard for life. I don't see how you've discredited Kreia here. She wasn't saying Nihilus was the only one that could use the technique merely stating the means with which it could be acquired.

Did you watch the Exile's trial? Zez Kai Ell even senses that the Exile was far from broken. "Great defiance in this one.." "Many battles still left in this one" "The future is a shifting thing and she cuts like a blade through it" "Revealing such truths to the Exile would leave as vulnerable on both sides." Let's not forget that the Exile willfully turned from war and the dark side, what Malachor did was it showed the Exile the path Revan and the other Jedi were leading and she didn't want a part of that. Even Sion questions why she walked away from such power. [/B]

Originally posted by Allankles
It didn't destroy the Exile, you also have to remember that the Exile formed bonds easily and the deaths caused by the MSG would have had an amplified effect on her. Besides it's a weak basis for your assertion. Kreia walked into Malachor 5 with regret, doubt and shame in her heart, it wasn't because she wasn't strong enough, merely that she wasn't emotionally stable enough - the chronicles and the story pretty much confirm this.

I would say the Exile's feats (especially the combat feats) would be slightly better than Revan's. Not to forget the accomplishments the Exile achieved on planetary level to stabilize the Republic and save the galaxy. Then on top of being responsible for the revival of the Jedi order. From a Jedi perspective the Exile would have the slightly better achievements.

Revan does have more quotes to his favor, but on the only two quotes directly comparing the two. The Exile is said to be an equal and then later the greater student.

Hypocrite? I haven't come up with a single random scenario. I'm not going to say Nihilus will do this or that, that's totally irrelevant. My point is that Kun or most other characters you're a fan boy of, would be at a greater disadvantage than Nihilus i.e. Nihilus would have the edge. I don't care whether Kun is a quick draw and disintegrates Nihilus that's irrelevant to the point I'm making.

See above. It doesn't matter who? As long as they're strong in the force they'll be at a disadvantage. Whether or not they'll be killed is irrelevant.

Kun and Revan in terms of power are Nihilus' inferior. He possesses the power to drain the life out of a galaxy, a planet at a time. He's hunger is powerful enough to breach a planets connection with the force. He perceives single beings as insignificant.

Kreia stressed the point that Nihilus was growing ever more powerful and that he would reach a point in his power where no single force user would have a chance against him, including the Exile and her 'wound'.

If Revan or Kun went up against Nihilus they'd better have packed their instant kill devices, otherwise they'd be killed and easily.

So now a devourer of planets can't kill single targets who have never demonstrated this level of power? As far as your point about Kreia, it's one of the most idiotic arguments against Nihilus' drain and has been destroyed numerous times. First off, Nihilus and Sion didn't try to kill Kreia. As Kreia says herself, "they thought that by living me alive, I would break ..."

Whether or not Spirits weaken is down to the liberties of the EU writers. Ragnos seemed powerful as did Kun, whereas Nadd wasn't. I wouldn't try to assume some kind of pattern here. Jaden defeated Ragnos while Ragns was in a living body. Of course, Ragnos in his own physical form you would expect would be a tougher fight, but what about his skills? If his power was missing then his skills should have compensated, but they didn't. Plus JA suggest that Jaden was special. [/B]

Except Ragnos' power is irrelevant when placed in the care of a highly inferior force user.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Revan also formed bonds easily, he learned a technique for it.

Quote please. He only formed a force bond with Bastilla due to circumstance. The Exile was the one who was unique in the way she formed force bonds quite easily.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
And this is why you are a poor debater and your arguments always fail, when you make stupid assertions like that, which have no logical basis to them whatsoever. The Exile is not anywhere near Revan's league in ANYTHING. You just sound like a babbling, repetitive fanboy. .

And how has this attacked my point? How as this addressed the relevant sources for my claims? I don't care what you think, Kotor 2 is the only legitimate source here and it says the Exile was Revan's equal.

This bias you have has no relevance when faced up against acutal supporting evidence form an official Lucas arts product. You can froth in the mouth for all I care, doesn't change a damn thing. You sound like a petulant child that doesn't realize the world doesn't revolve around them. All I'm saying is that Kotor 2 supports my assertion that the Exile was Revan's equal.

You're the only one arguing here with a fanboy's mentality.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
The same could be said for you who always gets owned yet has the audacity to keep posting pure bullshit.

The only thing you own is your ego. You suck and you've never seemed to get the concept that, insults don't count as a substantial argument. You can't debate for shit.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
How is this relevant to anything?

That was a disccussion I was having with the other poster, unlike you I try to avoid writing inane rebuttals.

Originally posted by Allankles
Quote please. He only formed a force bond with Bastilla due to circumstance. The Exile was the one who was unique in the way she formed force bonds quite easily.

And how has this attacked my point? How as this addressed the relevant sources for my claims? I don't care what you think, Kotor 2 is the only legitimate source here and it says the Exile was Revan's equal.

This bias you have has no relevance when faced up against acutal supporting evidence form an official Lucas arts product. You can froth in the mouth for all I care, doesn't change a damn thing. You sound like a petulant child that doesn't realize the world doesn't revolve around them. All I'm saying is that Kotor 2 supports my assertion that the Exile was Revan's equal.

You're the only one arguing here with a fanboy's mentality. [/B]

Says the exile fanboy who can't seem to form a cogent argument. Pwned..

Originally posted by Allankles
The only thing you own is your ego. You suck and you've never seemed to get the concept that, insults don't count as a substantial argument. You can't debate for shit.

Cry me a river ******, seriously. You can't debate and your "arguments" have all been defeated. Now:

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Revan also formed bonds easily, he learned a technique for it.

Yep, you definitely are an idiot. Instead of accepting canon as fact, you choose to claim that Revan just has more "quotes" to his name. The exile was never stated to be anything near Revan's level, and while Kreia loved Revan, Kreia had a special relationship with the exile because she wanted death to the force, and that is what the exile represented.

What are you babbling about? They've only been compared twice in quotes and both times the Exile was said to be Revan's equal and then stated by Kreia to be the greater student. It doesn't matter what you think, there's no canon comparison of the two that has stated the Exile was nowhere near Revan, that's just your opinion.

Your opinion's isn't canon, but Mandalore and Kreia's quotes are - and those are the only two quotes that had relevance in a comparison between the two.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Stop calling people hypocrites when you make absolutely retarded claims such as the exile is equal to or greater than revan.

What does that have to do with the hypocrisy I was referencing? And there's nothing retarded about providing supporting evidence (to go along with impressive feats) that suggest the Exile is Revan's equal. Only in your bizzaro world would it be criminal to make such a claim and I'm afraid this isn't your world.

It's perfectly logical that the Exile would be an equal to Revan. In Kotor 2 they are compared (albeit with a little hyperbole) as death and life, two polar halves of a whole - the symbolism is quite evident in Kotor 2.

"I thought that Revan was a singular Jedi, but now there's you [the Exile]. With all our martial training, battles and ethics, even our greatest warriors are no much for you." - Kotor 2

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Except yet again, this is not true so stop passing it off as fact. Luke and Sidious would not be at a disadvantage. .

Since when did Sidious and look stop being force sensitive? Since when did they become indestructible. You've refused to acknowledge a perfectly logical assessment.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Except Kun and Revan are NOT inferior. One technique does not make someone powerful. I don't even know why you keep spouting off your nonsense because it's not that Nihilus is powerful, Nihilus just IS.. Period. He has one inane ability, while Revan and Kun have offensive weapons.

Except you have no idea what you're talking about. Kun and Revan are inferior in TERMS power. And why do keep screaming one technique? This isn't paper rock scissors i.e. to cause a breach between a planet's life and the force requires a tremendous amount of dark side power. That's what you never consider, the technique is of the dark side, the immensity of the technique reflects on Nihilus dark side power. That's why I keep saying Nihilus' raw ds power is greater than either Revan's or Kun.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Except she's never stated anything resembling this, try again.

Oh but she has you misguided fan boy, she has. It follows the discussion over Visas and Nihilus. I'll get the exact quote later. I don't come up with half-baked ideas for arguments, like you.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Glad you can predict a fight. I would say the same for nihilus otherwise he'll get electrocuted, blasted by an amulet, or have his soul ripped out of his body.

Irrelevant, my point was already made, not much of a rebuttal.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
You're like Noobaris, you claiming you've "destroyed" anything doesn't make it so, especially considering all of your points have been destroyed.

Destroyed by whom? You? Don't delude yourself.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Except Ragnos' power is irrelevant when placed in the care of a highly inferior force user.

Ragnos possessed her, meaning he had absolute control - still got his ass handed to him.

Originally posted by Allankles
What are you babbling about? They've only been compared twice in quotes and both times the Exile was said to be Revan's equal and then stated by Kreia to be the greater student. It doesn't matter what you think, there's no canon comparison of the two that has stated the Exile was nowhere near Revan, that's just your opinion.

Your opinion's isn't canon, but Mandalore and Kreia's quotes are - and those are the only two quotes that had relevance in a comparison between the two.

What does that have to do with the hypocrisy I was referencing? And there's nothing retarded about providing supporting evidence (to go along with impressive feats) that suggest the Exile is Revan's equal. Only in your bizzaro world would it be criminal to make such a claim and I'm afraid this isn't your world.

It's perfectly logical that the Exile would be an equal to Revan. In Kotor 2 they are compared (albeit with a little hyperbole) as death and life, two polar halves of a whole - the symbolism is quite evident in Kotor 2.

"I thought that Revan was a singular Jedi, but now there's you [the Exile]. With all our martial training, battles and ethics, even our greatest warriors are no much for you." - Kotor 2

Since when did Sidious and look stop being force sensitive? Since when did they become indestructible. You've refused to acknowledge a perfectly logical assessment.

Except you have no idea what you're talking about. Kun and Revan are inferior in TERMS power. And why do keep screaming one technique? This isn't paper rock scissors i.e. to cause a breach between a planet's life and the force requires a tremendous amount of dark side power. That's what you never consider, the technique is of the dark side, the immensity of the technique reflects on Nihilus dark side power. That's why I keep saying Nihilus' raw ds power is greater than either Revan's or Kun.

Oh but she has you misguided fan boy, she has. It follows the discussion over Visas and Nihilus. I'll get the exact quote later. I don't come up with half-baked ideas for arguments, like you.

Ragnos possessed her, meaning he had absolute control - still got his ass handed to him. [/B]

No tool. Your attempts at diminishin RAgnos' ability are hilarious. He was limited in his abilities because of the weakness of Tavion. That's why he killed her with one yell. Go back to the drawing board N00b.