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Here are a few quotes on Nihilus.

"One cannot have power of that magnitude and still think and perceive the universe as we do."
¯Kreia[src]

"He is a wound in the Force, more presence than flesh, and in his wake life dies… sacrificing itself to his hunger."

Here's the quote I was talking about Saxy.

"he must be destroyed before his power grows beyond what anybody could contend with."

Another quote.

"He cares nothing for the Sith or its teachings… or the Jedi. And when the Jedi are dead, he will feed on the galaxy, the Republic, and eventually, consume the Sith as well."
¯Kreia[src]

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Ah so I pwn you and your arguments and your response is "well YOU suck at debating". Good one child, any more "I know you are but what am I" comments?

Cry me a river ******, seriously. You can't debate and your "arguments" have all been defeated. Now:

You haven't pwned my arguments. Unless you consider "OMFG UR UN IDIOT" pwning an argument. You suck because you don't address the gist of the argument you'd rather pussy foot around what is considered consensus opinion and try for the insults which with your ego assume, are "getting" me. I'm not noobaris, insults don't mean s**t to me.

About the picture, I'm guessing the iron wasn't on. 😆

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
First of all nobody stated that the exile was Revan's equal, not even Kreia. Secondly, if that WERE the case (its not), you're passing off 3rd party sources as fact, whereas other facts like Revan's power clearly show the exile doesn't come close. You are wrong again, shut up.

"I thought that Revan was a singular Jedi, but now there's you [the Exile]. With all our martial training, battles and ethics, even our greatest warriors are no much for you." - Kotor 2

"You are greater than any I have ever trained". - Kreia to the Exile

And Revan's power (as you put it) is dependant on the same third party sources. Or don't you get that? Who but Kreia, Dorak and one or two others have ever talked about Revan's power. The same few people (Kreia and Mandalore) have also stated the Exile was an equal and/or the greater student.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Except 3rd party sources mean shit if they aren't backed up by anything else. By your logic, Revan really is the "heart of the force".

I've quite clearly stated that Kreia's quote in that regard was hyperbole and the Exile did back up the quotes with substantial feats. Again I'll say it, outside of Revan's feats everything concerning his power are relayed from third party sources. Take of those Revan tinted goggles.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Yes, in MY own world, considering you are the only one dumb enough to make a claim that the exile=Revan.

Wlecome to the world Dorothy. We actually have differing opinions? I guess people can really think for themselves. I'll say it again, only in your bizzarro world can such a clim be perceived as idiotic. It's not like there isn't supporting evidence.

"I thought that Revan was a singular Jedi, but now there's you [the Exile]. With all our martial training, battles and ethics, even our greatest warriors are no much for you." - Kotor 2

"You are greater than any I have ever trained". - Kreia to the Exile

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Except it's not logical at all, and your symoblism garbage doesn't hold any water.

The symbolism should hold water in the real world. It should hold water in an out-of-universe persepctive. But I'm talking to the biggest Revanite on the board outside of (I forget his name), so what am I doing making sense?

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Except this has nothing to do with anything, nor does it in any way state the exile=Revan.

If this is about the discussion I had with Manslayer, it has no reference to what you and I are were talking about.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
You don't have any concept of logic, so simply saying logic this and logic that doesn't make it so.

Logic is founded on sound reasoning. If you're reasoning is skewed of course you won't find it logical.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
You're boring me with your repetitive nonsense.

And I tire of your non points, and irrelevant insults. At least try to come up with an argument that isn't mirred with bias. It's like I feel the spittle coming out of your frothing mouth, with the way you post sometimes.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
No tool. Your attempts at diminishin RAgnos' ability are hilarious. He was limited in his abilities because of the weakness of Tavion. That's why he killed her with one yell. Go back to the drawing board N00b.

Who's dimishing Ragnos? He got tooled and that's all that matters. Whether it was done by an Ewok or a powerful Jedi, the victor should be credited first, before making excuses for the loser. Ragnos didn't hold back, and he should naturally still have had his skills.

Originally posted by Allankles
"You are greater than any I have ever trained". - Kreia to the Exile

And Revan's power (as you put it) is dependant on the same third party sources. Or don't you get that? Who but Kreia, Dorak and one or two others have ever talked about Revan's power. The same few people (Kreia and Mandalore) have also stated the Exile was an equal and/or the greater student.

I just want to point out that there is a difference between being called great and powerful. Just because you are considered great doesn't make you powerful and vice-versa. Nihilus for example is very powerful sith but not a great sith since he didn't care for them and would destroy them too eventually.

And im also going to point out that Bane was in aw of Revan knew in PoD

To Bane it seemed the teachings contained within the single Holocron surpassed those of the Academy's entire archives. Revan had discovered many of the rituals of the ancient Sith, and as the Holocron's avatar explained their nature and purpose, Bane could barely wrap his mind around their awesome potential. Some of the rituals were so terrible-so dangerous to attempt, even for a true Sith Master-that he doubted he would ever dare to use them. Yet he dutifully copied them down on sheaves of flimsi, preserving them so he could study them in greater depth later.

Originally posted by Darth Hord
I just want to point out that there is a difference between being called great and powerful. Just because you are considered great doesn't make you powerful and vice-versa. Nihilus for example is very powerful sith but not a great sith since he didn't care for them and would destroy them too eventually.

And im also going to point out that Bane was in aw of Revan knew in PoD

To Bane it seemed the teachings contained within the single Holocron surpassed those of the Academy's entire archives. Revan had discovered many of the rituals of the ancient Sith, and as the Holocron's avatar explained their nature and purpose, Bane could barely wrap his mind around their awesome potential. Some of the rituals were so terrible-so dangerous to attempt, even for a true Sith Master-that he doubted he would ever dare to use them. Yet he dutifully copied them down on sheaves of flimsi, preserving them so he could study them in greater depth later.

You know I'm fully aware of this? And Kreia's quote was there to support my point, I know greatness can include or exclude power, but that is irrelevant here.

I read POD my friend.

Yeah! Revan had knowledge of a number of unknown Sith rituals doesn't speak for his power though, reading this logically. Plus there's a lot of meaningless descriptive in this. Is "barely wrap his mind around it" supposed to prove the power and scope of these rituals? But that would be assuming Bane had great insight and intelligence himself. If he wasn't all that intelligent or insightful then such descriptions offer little substance as they are.

On top of all that, the nature of a ritual is that it involves the contribution of others in a concert/group, it can't be done alone or in a single step process. So it doesn't involve personal power, as some might assume at first glance of this excerpt.

I'm all for trying to make a point without bs, so I commend you for your contribution.

As I side note I felt Drew Karpyshyn, screwed up POD. It read a lot like a Jedi Academy novel but with Sith and it made Bane's era of Sith look poorer than any other era of Sith.

Originally posted by Allankles
You haven't pwned my arguments. Unless you consider "OMFG UR UN IDIOT" pwning an argument. You suck because you don't address the gist of the argument you'd rather pussy foot around what is considered consensus opinion and try for the insults which with your ego assume, are "getting" me. I'm not noobaris, insults don't mean s**t to me.

About the picture, I'm guessing the iron wasn't on. 😆

Denial is a ***** Allankles. Your arguments have been pwned time and time again yet you continue typing like Noobaris.

Originally posted by Allankles
"I thought that Revan was a singular Jedi, but now there's you [the Exile]. With all our martial training, battles and ethics, even our greatest warriors are no much for you." - Kotor 2

"You are greater than any I have ever trained". - Kreia to the Exile

Who's dimishing Ragnos? He got tooled and that's all that matters. Whether it was done by an Ewok or a powerful Jedi, the victor should be credited first, before making excuses for the loser. Ragnos didn't hold back, and he should naturally still have had his skills.

Originally posted by Allankles
I read POD my friend.

Yeah! Revan had knowledge of a number of unknown Sith rituals doesn't speak for his power though, reading this logically. Plus there's a lot of meaningless descriptive in this. Is "barely wrap his mind around it" supposed to prove the power and scope of these rituals? But that would be assuming Bane had great insight and intelligence himself. If he wasn't all that intelligent or insightful then such descriptions offer little substance as they are.

As I side note I felt Drew Karpyshyn, screwed up POD. It read a lot like a Jedi Academy novel but with Sith and it made Bane's era of Sith look poorer than any other era of Sith. [/B]

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Denial is a ***** Allankles. Your arguments have been pwned time and time again yet you continue typing like Noobaris.

That's junior high mentality, in the real world you have to provide a better argument to win the debate. The only thing being pwned are your delusions.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Yet at the same time she has shown bias towards the exile because she represents the death of the force. At any rate, this has absolutely no bearing on your claim that the exile=revan.

And at the same time given Revan verbal fellatio. I would say that she provides ample support given all these things. Wouldn't you say, bias aside?

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
REvan's power is dependant on 3rd party sources? Wtf are you smoking? You've clearly never played KOTOR, read the Chronicles, nor POD because his power is obvious. Nobody ever claimed the exile was equal to Revan.

He's power isn't obvious, it's assumed and specualted based on third party sources e.g. Dorak and Kreia. The only thing the chronicles says in reference to Revan's power is that he wasn't consumed by the DS energy of Malachor due to his strength in the force and then Kreia is only consumed because she was emotionally unstable. So it takes away any luster from such an ambiguous feat.

All the chronicles proves is that Revan was stronger than the Jedi he converted and nothing more. And Kotor 2 claims the Exile was Revan's equal. "Death" of the force as Revan is "life".

"I thought that Revan was a single Jedi, but now there's you [The Exile]. With all our training, battles and tradition, not even our greatest warriors are a mcuh for you."

Originally posted by Darth Sexy

We have different opinions yet I back mine up with logic and you back yours up with nothing and have the audacity to continue typing.

You haven't backed up a single thing. All you do is deny, and you can carry one denying it doesn't do a thing to discredit the points I've made.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
No the symbolism is nothing but your opinion which holds no water in a debate dealing with facts.

How can it be merely an opinion when I'm basing it off of actual fiction? The game uses the metaphor of "life" and "death" to symbolise that they are both different and equal. It's like saying Othello isn't a symbol for human possessiveness, or Romeo and Juliet a symbol for loves tragic fate in the midst of hate. Of course those meataphoric symbolisms hold water, in our real world.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Yet again, you've not shown any instance of logic on this forum and claiming that the exile=Revan doesn't help your case.

Yeah! Maybe if you lean on your bias long enough, it will suddenly turn into sound reasoning. I don't get where it says there's no evidence to support the Exile being an equal to Revan. Afterall she wasn't a great hero in the Kotor era, who achieved just as much if not more than Revan in her quest to save the galaxy from a Sith threat.

I must not be making sense.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
My argument is 100% objective and based on facts. Your argument is 100% speculation and bias based on 3rd party sources.

Maybe if you sell this bs long enough it suddenly turn to gold. You haven't made one objective argument in this thread.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
You're an idiot if this is what you really believe. Ragnos did NOT get tooled. Ragnos' spirit was brought back the scepter so the circumstances of his force ghost are unknown. Furthermore, he possessed an inferior body with limited abilities. Try again.

So because he was brought back by the sceptre and possessed a supposedley less gifted force user than himself, he didn't get tooled? I'm guessing you need a lesson in concepts. Ragnos fought Jaden and is the only one accountable for how he handled himself in that fight. If Ragnos' power had diminished as you assume, then at least his skills would count for something, but he was found wanting in that department as well.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
I highly doubt this unless your interpretation is highly "skewed"

No, it speaks for his power. His knowledge of force abilities=power. You look like a fool arguing this.

Knowledge by itself doesn't equal power. In that case the Jedi chroniclers are the most powerful in the order. Knowledge without a substantiating feat is meaningless. Besides, how does having the knowledge of a ritual add to your personal power? A ritual as I've said earlier, requires a group/concert of people.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
This is your opinion and holds no water, as usual. The sith in Bane's era were meant to look like shit for a reason. If you haven't figured this reason out, I'm afraid you miss the whole point of star wars.

Of course they were made to look like shit for a reason, and that was to make Bane look good and/or give Bane a good reason to wipe them out. But that's called lazy writing. I'm not asking Bane's Sith to be the greatest, I'm just asking that they are made to look credible as nefarious masters of the dark side, not near complete incompetents.

Originally posted by Allankles
That's junior high mentality, in the real world you have to provide a better argument to win the debate. The only thing being pwned are your delusions.

Originally posted by Allankles
Who's DS?

It's laughable how you think, you've owned when your arguments aren't even well thought out.

Originally posted by Allankles

Now to dissect this bs.

Originally posted by Allankles

Nihilus' technique could be acquired (Kreia didn't say otherwise), but it was not learned.

Originally posted by Allankles

It wasn't like practicing force lightning, it was an experience is what Kreia was saying. It was something you had to make a leap of faith with, and it's true. Look at Sidious, the dark side personified and Nihilus a ravager of worlds with absolutely no regard for life. I don't see how you've discredited Kreia here. She wasn't saying Nihilus was the only one that could use the technique merely stating the means with which it could be acquired.

Originally posted by Allankles

You don't even understand the meaning of her words and you're quick to try and discredit her. It simple enough to read. You can gain the Nihilus ability but you cannot attain merely by study, you have to experience it.

As for revan, she personally knew and witnessed everything she did which equates to you being an *******

Originally posted by Allankles

Tulak Horde was not amongst the Sith of the Hyperspace war. Kreia wasn't saying the ancient Sith in the comics used lightsabers, but a different generation as Tulak Horde has been established belonged to.

Originally posted by Allankles

At least get a grasp of what your talking about before throwing fanboy around. You haven't discredited Kreia at all.

Originally posted by Allankles

Did you watch the Exile's trial? Zez Kai Ell even senses that the Exile was far from broken. "Great defiance in this one.." "Many battles still left in this one" "The future is a shifting thing and she cuts like a blade through it" "Revealing such truths to the Exile would leave as vulnerable on both sides." Let's not forget that the Exile willfully turned from war and the dark side, what Malachor did was it showed the Exile the path Revan and the other Jedi were leading and she didn't want a part of that. Even Sion questions why she walked away from such power.

Originally posted by Allankles
It didn't destroy the Exile, you also have to remember that the Exile formed bonds easily and the deaths caused by the MSG would have had an amplified effect on her. Besides it's a weak basis for your assertion. Kreia walked into Malachor 5 with regret, doubt and shame in her heart, it wasn't because she wasn't strong enough, merely that she wasn't emotionally stable enough - the chronicles and the story pretty much confirm this.

You fail again

Originally posted by Allankles

I would say the Exile's feats (especially the combat feats) would be slightly better than Revan's.

Originally posted by Allankles

Not to forget the accomplishments the Exile achieved on planetary level to stabilize the Republic and save the galaxy. Then on top of being responsible for the revival of the Jedi order. From a Jedi perspective the Exile would have the slightly better achievements.

Originally posted by Allankles

Revan does have more quotes to his favor, but on the only two quotes directly comparing the two. The Exile is said to be an equal and then later the greater student.

Originally posted by Allankles

Hypocrite? I haven't come up with a single random scenario. I'm not going to say Nihilus will do this or that, that's totally irrelevant.

Originally posted by Allankles

My point is that Kun or most other characters you're a fan boy of,

I might as well dispute you a raging hormone fanboy of the exile seeing that you claim she > revan without proof and you use speculation to back your assertions

Originally posted by Allankles

would be at a greater disadvantage than Nihilus i.e. Nihilus would have the edge. I don't care whether Kun is a quick draw and disintegrates Nihilus that's irrelevant to the point I'm making.

Originally posted by Allankles

See above. It doesn't matter who? As long as they're strong in the force they'll be at a disadvantage. Whether or not they'll be killed is irrelevant.

Common sense would obviously indicate a superior force user would be at an advantage. The fact weather his hunger will react or not is irrelevant

Originally posted by Allankles

How about coming up with a relevant argument? He feeds of residual force energy that emanates from a victim who he has drained of life. He doesn't kill you in a step wise fashion.

Originally posted by Allankles

He takes your life the instance he uses his 'hunger' and then feeds of of the death or residual dark side energy this severing creates. It's not like the victim has time to interrupt the process. It's instant.

I dont see how is this going to effect somebody who is superior to him as well as a superior force user would have a much greater defence and resistance to his attacks

Originally posted by Allankles

Why is your idiotic break down of the process not addressing the manner in which Nihilus kills his victims? He drains the life from his victims by breaching the victims life energy form the force.

Originally posted by Allankles

Kun and Revan in terms of power are Nihilus' inferior. He possesses the power to drain the life out of a galaxy, a planet at a time. He's hunger is powerful enough to breach a planets connection with the force. He perceives single beings as insignificant.

Originally posted by Allankles

Kreia stressed the point that Nihilus was growing ever more powerful and that he would reach a point in his power where no single force user would have a chance against him, including the Exile and her 'wound'.

Your a lying fool

Originally posted by Allankles

If Revan or Kun went up against Nihilus they'd better have packed their instant kill devices, otherwise they'd be killed and easily.

Originally posted by Allankles

So now a devourer of planets can't kill single targets who have never demonstrated this level of power?

Seems to me because kun or revan doesnt perform a paticular feat, it means nihilus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both of them.

Originally posted by Allankles

The Luke of the Academy series wasn't uber, he wasn't anywhere near the powerhouse he is now.

Originally posted by Allankles

Kun was superior to Jedi padawans, no one questioned that.

Originally posted by Allankles

Whether or not Spirits weaken is down to the liberties of the EU writers. Ragnos seemed powerful as did Kun, whereas Nadd wasn't. I wouldn't try to assume some kind of pattern here. Jaden defeated Ragnos while Ragns was in a living body. Of course, Ragnos in his own physical form you would expect would be a tougher fight, but what about his skills? If his power was missing then his skills should have compensated, but they didn't. Plus JA suggest that Jaden was special.

Imagine your a pro boxer, try not practicing or boxing for 10 years and see how good your skills are after that, try not boxing for thousands of years if you could live that long then try to fight after that.

Make sense? To the logical and those whom have common sense....

Originally posted by Allankles
And at the same time given Revan verbal fellatio. I would say that she provides ample support given all these things. Wouldn't you say, bias aside?

So because he was brought back by the sceptre and possessed a supposedley less gifted force user than himself, he didn't get tooled? I'm guessing you need a lesson in concepts. Ragnos fought Jaden and is the only one accountable for how he handled himself in that fight. If Ragnos' power had diminished as you assume, then at least his skills would count for something, but he was found wanting in that department as well.

Wow, yet again you have absolutely no logical points. If someone who has any credibility tells me I need a lesson in concepts, I'll take it seriously. When it's someone who hasn't won a single debate on this forum and who can't for the life of him understand logic, I can just laugh.

Originally posted by Allankles
Knowledge by itself doesn't equal power. In that case the Jedi chroniclers are the most powerful in the order. Knowledge without a substantiating feat is meaningless. Besides, how does having the knowledge of a ritual add to your personal power? A ritual as I've said earlier, requires a group/concert of people.

Of course they were made to look like shit for a reason, and that was to make Bane look good and/or give Bane a good reason to wipe them out. But that's called lazy writing. I'm not asking Bane's Sith to be the greatest, I'm just asking that they are made to look credible as nefarious masters of the dark side, not near complete incompetents.

You can't beat Darth Nihilus,

He's So Freakin' Awesome

my favorites have to be Bane And Revan

😖hifty: 😖hifty: 😖hifty:

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Wrong. Yoda had the knowledge of an 800 year old jedi master.. And he was powerful. Sidious knew virtually every sith and jedi technique, and yet he was powerful. You have no point yet again.

And Revan being neither 800 years old and not knowing virtually every Sith technique, would have knowledge equivalent to whom? A jedi historian/chronicler? To say that the knowledge of rituals (which don't even apply to personal power), would make someone powerful is merely an unsubstantiated assumption.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
No dumbass, they were made to look incompetent because they were meant to be incompetent. They were meant to be incompetent as to give justification to Bane destroying the sith and recreating them. Nobody cares about your opinion of anything on here.

Stop being an idiot. I said the exact same thing in my post. The Sith were incompetent to make Bane look good and to give him reason to kill them. In the real world however, this is classified under lazy writing and is one of the reasons for my dissatisfaction with POD.

Don't start ranting before you've read the post.