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Ambient MAJIN_OVERLORD

This scan \/ has got to be the weakest i've seen for both Galactus and Surfer yet still remain majestic..

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darthgoober Senior Member

So I've been going through some old Surfer stuff and stumbled across a piece of bad news for Surfer fans... the Unilord Saga's not actually canon to 616 Surfer 🙁 . Sorry to everyone about promoting it as canon this whole time, the story's kinda complicated and I always ended up a little confused when I tried reading it. Anyway since Surfer's fans will want to know my reasoning behind now saying that it's not canon I'll explain...

This is from Silver Surfer vol. 3 #112 and it shows Surfer successfully riding the Cosmic Swell...
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... So everything we see Surfer do in that other universe is actually a 'What if' contained in Surfer's series. Further conformation that it's not actually canon can be found in Spiderman Team Up #2 when he talks about the difficulty of surfer the Cosmic Rift and how he was unable to save Outrider Seven's people...

http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr347/darthgoober/Spider-ManTeam-Up2p12.jpg

So that's my bad on promoting the arc 😮 .

Firestorms Member

No the arc is legit, it is part of 616 continuity. The story arc begins with Outriders who come from a dying Universe, they want to contact bricks like Odin, Watcher, Beta Ray Bill and Quasar. They fail and ultimately and their universe will fall to the Uni-Lord and Blackbodies will also grow and consume the 616 Universe. Watcher and Surfer spent the next 2 issues doing some philosophical stuff, this is where the what-if part of the story comes in, because Surfer and Watcher are pondering the time paradox events etc.
In the next issue he finally does travel back and alters the time of another Universe but his body is broken and other aliens get cosmic ability, other Silver riders gain his powers. A blackbody then starts to eliminate the new surf board riders while the real Silver Surfer attempts to reassemble his own body. Surfer reassembled now has the power of a Blackbody and now has the advantage of tapping into the power of a Galactus level being and uses Uni-Lord's own energy against him. The have one big kickass battle where Surfer finally takes out Unilord. The elder Skooka says good bye to Surfer as he tries to return to his own timeline/universe, Surfer uses up the Unilord's soul powers to open a tear between universes and returns crashing back at multiple lightspeed right before the feet of 2 bricks called Beta Ray Bill and Quasar.

Ambient MAJIN_OVERLORD

Originally posted by darthgoober
[B]So I've been going through some old Surfer stuff and stumbled across a piece of bad news for Surfer fans... the Unilord Saga's not actually canon to 616 Surfer 🙁 . Sorry to everyone about promoting it as canon this whole time, the story's kinda complicated and I always ended up a little confused when I tried reading it. Anyway since Surfer's fans will want to know my reasoning behind now saying that it's not canon I'll explain...[B]

I have to disagree on the continuity part Darth, if you flip through
SS #121, we see Unilord Surfer emerged through the cosmic swell and then hit/merged to 616 Surfer.

Here's another look..

A temporal merging if you call it, dough the Unilord story is a else world/What if arc it still affected 616 Surfer through the merging.. My 2 cents..

nij-ayias Senior Member

Originally posted by Endless Mike
I can't wait to throw this in the faces of everyone who says he can't fight FTL

I don't want to troll but where are the lightspeed volume of punches, kicks and firepower if he can fight at light speed?
Surfer's board is lightspeed in travel but his fighting speed/relexes was not.
OK, to make it clear Surfer can fight at lightspeed if he can make his board travel at lightspeed, if he cannot, I doubt he can fight at lightspeed using his body alone.

Endless Mike Sqirrel Girl fanboy

He can't travel faster than lightspeed using his body alone. He still has the reflexes to see things faster than light though. However his board is part of him and he can summon it or recreate it at will.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Ambient
I have to disagree on the continuity part Darth, if you flip through
SS #121, we see Unilord Surfer emerged through the cosmic swell and then hit/merged to 616 Surfer.
Here's another look..
A temporal merging if you call it, dough the Unilord story is a else world/What if arc it still affected 616 Surfer through the merging.. My 2 cents..

You definitely have a legitimate interpretation for what's going on with the beams and such, but I have to disagree because of the mention in the Spiderman Team Up. I mean I myself believed the arc to be legit until I caught that part, but IMO Surfer talking about his inability to help Outrider pretty much cements that it didn't happen.

I mean I won't try to go around correcting you if you still want to use it because the whole story is a convoluted mess so it's possible Marvel intended for it to be canon and just poorly showed it, but my own personal interpretation of the events has changed so I just thought I'd let people know since I've promoted the arc so frequently.

nij-ayias Senior Member

Originally posted by Endless Mike
He can't travel faster than lightspeed using his body alone. He still has the reflexes to see things faster than light though. However his board is part of him and he can summon it or recreate it at will.

Silver Surfer's body reflexes and his ability to see things faster than light was not coordinated in fighting because he cannot unleash lightspeed volume of attacks coming from weird angles.
Meaning, SS is not a combatant lightspeed, Silver Surfer is only maneuvering his board that can travel lightspeed and combine it with his ability to see things FTL .
Silver Surfer's fighting speed is not lightspeed but he can travel at lightspeed and maneuver it to battle. It's more of a maneuvering or control feat than fighting speed.
If SS fighting speed is lightspeed, no street level villains could touch him. Americans are not that stupid to think that travel at lightspeed is fighting at lightspeed too.

Ambient MAJIN_OVERLORD

Originally posted by darthgoober
You definitely have a legitimate interpretation for what's going on with the beams and such, but I have to disagree because of the mention in the Spiderman Team Up. I mean I myself believed the arc to be legit until I caught that part, but IMO Surfer talking about his inability to help Outrider pretty much cements that it didn't happen.
I mean I won't try to go around correcting you if you still want to use it because the whole story is a convoluted mess so it's possible Marvel intended for it to be canon and just poorly showed it, but my own personal interpretation of the events has changed so I just thought I'd let people know since I've promoted the arc so frequently.

Right i agree, failing to traverse the cosmic breach 616 Surfer never fought Unilord however a new timeline was made deviating from 616, a what if? where he was able to breach the rift, fought and won against the Unilord but at the cost of the destruction of that Universe (and a new one being born---don't feel like going thru that), anyhow the Unilord Surfer escape through the rift and ....

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/Surfer/SS_v3_121_14a.jpg

then is united with 616 Surfer through temporal merging..

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/Surfer/SS_v3_121_17a.jpg

Course you know all this, thought it might help the onlookers 🙂 understand my interp. of that arc..

My take on the Spiderman team up is that Surfer even after the merge really had no recollection of the Unilord saga and only remembers his failed attempt to breach the rift, he even forgot the 1-1-1 code which was downloaded in him before trying to cross the temporal rift (perhaps a mistake from the writers) ...

http://s198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/Surfer/?action=view&current=SS_v3_122_03b.jpg

Also wondering if Spiderman team up took place before or after SS 121?

Yeah this is a really convoluted arc .. So many question still remains to be answered, like the Surfer Universe.. ahh hell... lol my 2 cents..

Naija boy Senior Member

I see what ambient is saying about the merging. Also if surfer 121 came out after spiderman team up then the merging would not have occured prior to that comic. If we assume that the spiderman team came out soon after Surfer 114 then surfer 121 would have definitely come out after it.

Endless Mike Sqirrel Girl fanboy

Originally posted by nij-ayias
Silver Surfer's body reflexes and his ability to see things faster than light was not coordinated in fighting because he cannot unleash lightspeed volume of attacks coming from weird angles.

What?

Meaning, SS is not a combatant lightspeed, Silver Surfer is only maneuvering his board that can travel lightspeed and combine it with his ability to see things FTL .

And FTL movement + FTL reaction + FTL attacks = FTL combat.

If SS fighting speed is lightspeed, no street level villains could touch him. Americans are not that stupid to think that travel at lightspeed is fighting at lightspeed too.

You know that shit is PIS, right? He never seriously tries to fight or hurt street level guys anyway.

nij-ayias Senior Member

Originally posted by Endless Mike
What?

Show me, when did he unleash a lightspeed volume of attacks in one direction? And I will concede.

And FTL movement + FTL reaction + FTL attacks = FTL combat.[/B]

Where did you get that formula? Is that official

Motorcycle racer: fast movement + fast reaction = fast combat speed?

Marathon Runner: fast movement + fast reaction = fast combat speed?

Are you trying to say a marathon runner can dodge Pacquiao's volume of punches? Prove me

Silver Surfer's FTL movement = Surfboard
SIlver Surfer's FTL reaction = while traveling and maneuvering using his SurfBoard
Silver Surfer's FTL = Travel not fight

Show me that Surfer can dodge volume of attacks and unleash volume of attacks in one direction without his surfboard traveling.

Are you trying to say that controlling his lightspeed surfboard is not maneuvering?

You know that shit is PIS, right? He never seriously tries to fight or hurt street level guys anyway. [/B]

PIS is not official.

I didn't say he will hurt a street level guy, I said street level can hit Surfer, dodging will not hurt an opponent. Surfer don't need to be serious to dodge a street level, you failed to show that Surfer can dodge volume of attacks and unleash volume of attacks at the same time.

Anyway, I can't change you mentality for over ten years that:

travel speed maneuvering = WTF he is fighting at that speed and reflexes OMG

Funny, not even Stan Lee stated that.

Bouboumaster Senior Member

Originally posted by nij-ayias

Silver Surfer's FTL movement = Surfboard
SIlver Surfer's FTL reaction = while traveling and maneuvering using his SurfBoard
Silver Surfer's FTL = Travel not fight
Show me that Surfer can dodge volume of attacks and unleash volume of attacks in one direction without his surfboard traveling.
Are you trying to say that controlling his lightspeed surfboard is not maneuvering?

The surfboard is part of him, like an arm, or a leg. It's not just a mean of transport.

nij-ayias Senior Member

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
The surfboard is part of him, like an arm, or a leg. It's not just a mean of transport.

Acording to Marvel Handbook, it's a paraphernalia. The board is mentally linked to the Surfer and moves in response to his mental commands even when he is not in physical contact with it.
And if the surfboard is a part of him like an arm, it should hurt Silver Surfer when Cable destroyed his surfboard but it didn't.
Still, no high showings of Surfer's speed/reflexes dodging volume of attacks and unleash volume of attacks at the same time and at a single direction.

Ambient MAJIN_OVERLORD

Originally posted by Naija boy
I see what ambient is saying about the merging. Also if surfer 121 came out after spiderman team up then the merging would not have occured prior to that comic. If we assume that the spiderman team came out soon after Surfer 114 then surfer 121 would have definitely come out after it.

Spiderman team up must have happened before SS #121 - 122, Surfer had reminiscences about the encounter with outrider While SS # 122 had him remember none of it..

Here let me exp..

Issue 111..

After Surfer fallowed/traced 1-1-1 code believing it was a distressed signal, the code was then downloaded to him..

The code contains the navigational chart/history of the Unilord/Blockbodies.

Quite clear he should fully remembers knows about the code..

Issue 122..

After the merge, Surfer remembers none of the code/distress signal, he even said " i should but it hurts to even try." Therefore the Spiderman team up happened before the merging (SS#121) as he had recollection of the outlander, so i guess during that time the unilord saga was not in continuity but as soon as the merging happened it became canon.. My 2 cents..

Endless Mike Sqirrel Girl fanboy

Originally posted by nij-ayias
Show me, when did he unleash a lightspeed volume of attacks in one direction? And I will concede.

What exactly do you mean by that? It seems you are trying to invent a very specific scenario and ignore anything that doesn't match this idea you have in your mind.

Where did you get that formula? Is that official

It's not a formula, it's called common sense.

Motorcycle racer: fast movement + fast reaction = fast combat speed?

A motorcycle doesn't move faster than a human can track or react to. In addition, although it is faster than a human being it doesn't have the same agility. If there was a motorcycle with the same agility as a human body (capable of making turns and stopping just as quickly), then someone riding it would be able to blitz the **** out of an unarmed human being.

Even with a normal motorcycle you would have a huge advantage over a person on foot.

Marathon Runner: fast movement + fast reaction = fast combat speed?

Marathon running doesn't involve faster reaction speed, someone like a jet fighter pilot would have higher reaction speed than a marathon runner even if they couldn't run as fast.

Now take the running speed of a marathon runner and combine it with the reflexes of a jet fighter pilot and you have someone who could probably blitz an average person easily.

Are you trying to say a marathon runner can dodge Pacquiao's volume of punches? Prove me

No, that's not what I'm saying at all. You do realize a professional athlete can throw a punch much faster than a professional athlete can run. This is due to limits of the human body. You can't run faster than you punch in real life, but in fiction you can. Surfer was flying (running) at FTL speed while dodging FTL attacks (punches). Analogy is more proper there. So obviously he could dodge a bunch of much slower attacks.

Silver Surfer's FTL movement = Surfboard
SIlver Surfer's FTL reaction = while traveling and maneuvering using his SurfBoard
Silver Surfer's FTL = Travel not fight

Except he was fighting. Just because he was traveling while doing so doesn't somehow invalidate it. Are you trying to imply that his surfboard grants him his reaction speed? Because it doesn't, only his movement speed. He was dodging, attacking, and reacting to attacks while moving at FTL speed, that's FTL fighting whether you like it or not.

Show me that Surfer can dodge volume of attacks and unleash volume of attacks in one direction without his surfboard traveling.

Why would that be a requirement? And why wouldn't he be allowed to use his board to help him dodge? It's standard equipment, after all.

Are you trying to say that controlling his lightspeed surfboard is not maneuvering?

Of course it is, WTF are you even trying to say here? Do you somehow think that maneuvering cannot be done in combat or something? Technically every movement you make is a maneuver.

PIS is not official.

But it's necessary to explain stuff like Spider-Man beating Firelord, Hulk getting choked by a snake, or the entirety of Jeph Loeb's work in the last 10 years.

I didn't say he will hurt a street level guy, I said street level can hit Surfer, dodging will not hurt an opponent.

What would be the pointing of dodging someone who is too weak to hurt you?

Surfer don't need to be serious to dodge a street level, you failed to show that Surfer can dodge volume of attacks and unleash volume of attacks at the same time.

I have no idea what you're talking about. Every character has low - end feats but they don't invalidate everything else. The fact is that he has reacted to FTL attacks and that proves he can do it.

Anyway, I can't change you mentality for over ten years that:
travel speed maneuvering = WTF he is fighting at that speed and reflexes OMG
Funny, not even Stan Lee stated that.

WTF are you even talking about here? Do you expect everything to be stated when it is clearly shown? When Thing punches someone does it somehow not count because the comic doesn't include an explanation of the principle of kinetic energy? When Hulk does a thunderclap and people are cringing in pain do you need the comic to explain that it was very loud?

Stan Lee never stated that getting punched in the face by Spider-Man would hurt, so I guess it doesn't, right? 😆

This is called COMMON SENSE.

Also you took the arm/leg analogy too far, just because it doesn't hurt him when the board gets damaged or destroyed doesn't mean he can't control it as naturally as a part of his body.

Why do so many people try to downplay Surfer's obvious speed. If he's moving at lightspeed, and he can see you, and he can hit you, and he can dodge you, that's FIGHTING AT LIGHTSPEED. You are making this way more complicated than it is.

Power Cosmic II BigG > Mad Celestial Host

why dont you guys debate this in the versus forum

nij-ayias Senior Member

Originally posted by Endless Mike
What exactly do you mean by that? It seems you are trying to invent a very specific scenario and ignore anything that doesn't match this idea you have in your mind.
It's not a formula, it's called common sense.[B]

[B]FOR THE PAST TEN YEARS, YOU'RE DOING IT AGAIN, A VERY LONG REPLY. WILL YOU PLEASE READ MY POST FIRST AND SUMMARIZE YOUR REPLY?

Common sense means nothing against comics portrayal power. Common sense is not canon or genuine.

No high showings of lightspeed volume of attacks and dodging lightspeed attacks at the same time, Silver Surfer is not lightspeed combatant.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
A motorcycle doesn't move faster than a human can track or react to. In addition, although it is faster than a human being it doesn't have the same agility. If there was a motorcycle with the same agility as a human body (capable of making turns and stopping just as quickly), then someone riding it would be able to blitz the **** out of an unarmed human being.
Even with a normal motorcycle you would have a huge advantage over a person on foot.[B]

Exactly, same with Silver Surfer, it's not fighting but a hit and run or should I say travel speed.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
[B]Marathon running doesn't involve faster reaction speed, someone like a jet fighter pilot would have higher reaction speed than a marathon runner even if they couldn't run as fast.[B]

LOL, Marathon runner have reaction speed because they know when to stop without accidentally hitting anywhere.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
[B]Now take the running speed of a marathon runner and combine it with the reflexes of a jet fighter pilot and you have someone who could probably blitz an average person easily.[B]

Probably means nothing but a wild guess, it can't provide any concrete evidence to your opinion.
If a jet fighter pilot could easily blitz a person, name me a world champion boxer that is a former jet fighter pilot. Don't make an excuse about money, a world champion can earn million dollars in 1 year.
At least prove me that a jet fighter pilot can dodge Pacquiao's punch or Mosley's punch or Mayweather's punch. I think you don't know them because you can't comprehend fighting from running.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
[B]No, that's not what I'm saying at all. You do realize a professional athlete can throw a punch much faster than a professional athlete can run. This is due to limits of the human body. You can't run faster than you punch in real life, but in fiction you can. [B]Surfer was flying (running) at FTL speed while dodging FTL attacks (punches). Analogy is more proper there. So obviously he could dodge a bunch of much slower attacks.

Show me scans where Silver Surfer unleashed lightspeed of volume attacks and dodged lightspeed volume of attacks at the same time and at single direction.
Show me scans where Silver Surfer traded lightspeed volume of attacks.
We don't need common sense and obvious things without proper showing in comics, what we need is showings or power scaling.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
[B]Except he was fighting. Just because he was traveling while doing so doesn't somehow invalidate it. Are you trying to imply that his surfboard grants him his reaction speed? Because it doesn't, only his movement speed. He was dodging, attacking, and reacting to attacks while moving at FTL speed, that's FTL fighting whether you like it or not.[B]

Traveling while doing it is more of a circus act or maneuvering, if you can't properly show the scans what I'm talking before, just accept the fact that Silver Surfer can't do it.
The Surfboard is mentally link to his mind, he controls the board and its speed. What the board do is travel, not fighting.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
[B]Why would that be a requirement? And why wouldn't he be allowed to use his board to help him dodge? It's standard equipment, after all.

What the board do is travel, not fighting.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Of course it is, WTF are you even trying to say here? Do you somehow think that maneuvering cannot be done in combat or something? Technically every movement you make is a maneuver.

Every movement the Surfboard do is travel. It is also defined that what the Surfboard do is travel, not fighting.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
But it's necessary to explain stuff like Spider-Man beating Firelord, Hulk getting choked by a snake, or the entirety of Jeph Loeb's work in the last 10 years.

It happened whether you like it or not. You do know that a herald is stronger in outer space. It depends on the situation when the character got beat up. Upset happens in real life too, like Pacquiao-Barrera or Tyson-Douglas. If you don't want it, stop reading the comics.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
What would be the pointing of dodging someone who is too weak to hurt you?

To make the fight easier, to lessen the violence and to avoid the innocent from getting hurt. The longer the fight goes on, the higher the casualties.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
I have no idea what you're talking about. Every character has low - end feats but they don't invalidate everything else. The fact is that he has reacted to FTL attacks and that proves he can do it.
WTF are you even talking about here? Do you expect everything to be stated when it is clearly shown? When Thing punches someone does it somehow not count because the comic doesn't include an explanation of the principle of kinetic energy? When Hulk does a thunderclap and people are cringing in pain do you need the comic to explain that it was very loud?

No high showings of lightspeed volume of attacks and dodging lightspeed attacks at the same time, Silver Surfer is not lightspeed combatant but a lightspeed traveler.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Stan Lee never stated that getting punched in the face by Spider-Man would hurt, so I guess it doesn't, right? 😆
This is called COMMON SENSE.
Also you took the arm/leg analogy too far, just because it doesn't hurt him when the board gets damaged or destroyed doesn't mean he can't control it as naturally as a part of his body.

You took the travel/fight analogy too far, to make it simple define what is travel, maneuvering and fighting.
Common sense means nothing against comics portrayals/showings. Common sense is not canon or genuine.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Why do so many people try to downplay Surfer's obvious speed. If he's moving at lightspeed, and he can see you, and he can hit you, and he can dodge you, that's FIGHTING AT LIGHTSPEED. You are making this way more complicated than it is.

That's hit and run, you called that fighting? What kind of fighting is that? Are you trying to say that Mayweather is more of a fighter than Pacquiao? I know you don't know them and I know you're at the right age but your analogy was stuck in fictional worlds, you need to watch UFC, boxing, MMA etc to know what is really fighting.
I'm not downplaying Silver Surfer's travel speed, the problem is for the past ten years in versus forum, you always make Silver Surfer not hittable in any match up or only the lightspeed can hit him etc. To make it short, you're contradicting Marvel Comics' Silver Surfer(hittable) and creating your own version of not hittable Silver Surfer with PIS excuse. In any versus thread there's always no justice when you always defend Superman, Flash and Silver Surfer being not hittable with your PIS excuse which contradicts DC/Marvel portrayal of each respective character.

DC/Marvel version of superheroes = hittable = canon or genuine

Endless Mike's version of superheroes = not hittable with PIS excuse as a backup to make a sure win against his opposition in versus forum = non canon or imagination

FOR THE PAST TEN YEARS, YOU'RE DOING IT AGAIN, A VERY LONG REPLY. WILL YOU PLEASE SUMMARIZE YOUR REPLY?

Alucard25 Senior Member

Actually no Surfer has used his board in battle as weapon and shield more than a few times so its not just for travel.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by nij-ayias
[B]FOR THE PAST TEN YEARS, YOU'RE DOING IT AGAIN, A VERY LONG REPLY. WILL YOU PLEASE READ MY POST FIRST AND SUMMARIZE YOUR REPLY?
Common sense means nothing against comics portrayal power. Common sense is not canon or genuine.
No high showings of lightspeed volume of attacks and dodging lightspeed attacks at the same time, Silver Surfer is not lightspeed combatant.
Exactly, same with Silver Surfer, it's not fighting but a hit and run or should I say travel speed.
LOL, Marathon runner have reaction speed because they know when to stop without accidentally hitting anywhere.
Probably means nothing but a wild guess, it can't provide any concrete evidence to your opinion.
If a jet fighter pilot could easily blitz a person, name me a world champion boxer that is a former jet fighter pilot. Don't make an excuse about money, a world champion can earn million dollars in 1 year.
At least prove me that a jet fighter pilot can dodge Pacquiao's punch or Mosley's punch or Mayweather's punch. I think you don't know them because you can't comprehend fighting from running.
Show me scans where Silver Surfer unleashed lightspeed of volume attacks and dodged lightspeed volume of attacks at the same time and at single direction.
Show me scans where Silver Surfer traded lightspeed volume of attacks.
We don't need common sense and obvious things without proper showing in comics, what we need is showings or power scaling.
Traveling while doing it is more of a circus act or maneuvering, if you can't properly show the scans what I'm talking before, just accept the fact that Silver Surfer can't do it.
The Surfboard is mentally link to his mind, he controls the board and its speed. What the board do is travel, not fighting.
What the board do is travel, not fighting.
Every movement the Surfboard do is travel. It is also defined that what the Surfboard do is travel, not fighting.
It happened whether you like it or not. You do know that a herald is stronger in outer space. It depends on the situation when the character got beat up. Upset happens in real life too, like Pacquiao-Barrera or Tyson-Douglas. If you don't want it, stop reading the comics.
To make the fight easier, to lessen the violence and to avoid the innocent from getting hurt. The longer the fight goes on, the higher the casualties.
No high showings of lightspeed volume of attacks and dodging lightspeed attacks at the same time, Silver Surfer is not lightspeed combatant but a lightspeed traveler.
You took the travel/fight analogy too far, to make it simple define what is travel, maneuvering and fighting.
Common sense means nothing against comics portrayals/showings. Common sense is not canon or genuine.
That's hit and run, you called that fighting? What kind of fighting is that? Are you trying to say that Mayweather is more of a fighter than Pacquiao? I know you don't know them and I know you're at the right age but your analogy was stuck in fictional worlds, you need to watch UFC, boxing, MMA etc to know what is really fighting.
I'm not downplaying Silver Surfer's travel speed, the problem is for the past ten years in versus forum, you always make Silver Surfer not hittable in any match up or only the lightspeed can hit him etc. To make it short, you're contradicting Marvel Comics' Silver Surfer(hittable) and creating your own version of not hittable Silver Surfer with PIS excuse. In any versus thread there's always no justice when you always defend Superman, Flash and Silver Surfer being not hittable with your PIS excuse which contradicts DC/Marvel portrayal of each respective character.
DC/Marvel version of superheroes = hittable = canon or genuine
Endless Mike's version of superheroes = not hittable with PIS excuse as a backup to make a sure win against his opposition in versus forum = non canon or imagination
FOR THE PAST TEN YEARS, YOU'RE DOING IT AGAIN, A VERY LONG REPLY. WILL YOU PLEASE SUMMARIZE YOUR REPLY? [/B]

"No PIS" is a forum rule not his preference and characters not using their speed in comics is specifically sited as an example of what constitutes PIS. If you have a problem with it then find a site with different rules or try to talk the mods into changing the rules to something closer to your liking and stop spammimg the respect thread.