Originally posted by debbiejo
heaven is full of deaf, dumb, and blind people............lol
Where did that concept come from? I know there is a song about it, and there was that Storyteller story where upon entering heaven you forget everything...
But what is the root of the myth that is what happens when one enters heaven? Apart from logic, since without a corporeal body one would have no senses, and thus be death, dumb and blind.
Originally posted by Imperial_SamuraWell according to the bible, if someone like an eye or your hands is sinning....better to cut it off......And since we seem to sin all the time....well
Where did that concept come from? I know there is a song about it, and there was that Storyteller story where upon entering heaven you forget everything...But what is the root of the myth that is what happens when one enters heaven? Apart from logic, since without a corporeal body one would have no senses, and thus be death, dumb and blind.
i have friend he always telling me if i be a great believer in Jesus christ i will go to heaven whiout any dubt but i don't believe that.Hell is only a myth story.......
God mercey is all about
Originally posted by debbiejo
Well according to the bible, if someone like an eye or your hands is sinning....better to cut it off......And since we seem to sin all the time....well
Mark 9:42"And if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around his neck. 43If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.[a] 45And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell.[b] 47And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out.[B] It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell [/B]
I find the concept of only one eye sinning funny. How can one eye sin and the other not? And in the end it is a bad story/metaphor that. Ultimately it is useless to cast of a hand or an eye - the brain has to be removed, since it is the source of the hand or eyes sin.
Originally posted by Mayu
i have friend he always telling me if i be a great believer in Jesus christ i will go to heaven whiout any dubt but i don't believe that.
God mercey is all about
So...why don't you believe that? Your friend is truly a friend for introducing you to Jesus. By the way I like your name.
Why did God Create Hell ?
Seriously now...
Does anyone else see the absurdity and irrationality of a place like Hell existing under God's watch ?
Now, Regret and Shaky please do not push the idea that Hell is only in our minds, or that Hell is simply a separation from God....I am not discussing those ideas of Hell.
I am discussing the Literal Biblical Hell....ju know, the place with the lake of fire, eternal torment, demons shoving pineapples up your anus, and the like.
Now, I have heard this line of reasoning before:
Justification 1:"God is our Father. And like all good fathers, if you step out of line you have to be punished. Punishment is not done out of cruelty, it is done out of love. When you are a bad boy or a bad girl, your parents have to punish you as a way of putting you in line and making you a better person ! Punishment from God is the same way. God punishes you to make you a better person, so you can learn the right way to be and live. 😄 "
Response: Okay...1) Hell is not a temporary punishment. It is NOT a time out. According to the Bible, Hell is eternal and it is UNBEARABLE ! People in Hell will cry and beg for mercy, they will beg for a second chance, they will burn and starve without end, and God will not answer them. He will leave them there forever. What is there to learn from such an extreme punishment?
2) I dunno about you guys, but my parents would never torture me as punishment. On top of that, I would never torture my own kids as punishment for ANYTHING. Oh, but somehow, it's OKAY when God does it ? When a parent abuses thier child, they are considered unloving parents, and thier kids are taken away. Beating your kids, even verbally tormenting your kids is considered child abuse and is a crime in this country.
Now..imagine BURNING your children...wow...you'd definately get life in prison for DAT 1.....now...imagine skinning your own children alive...and not allowing them to die.
Skinning them alive, burning them in boiling water, and making it so that they are immortal and will feel this pain for all eternity....
SIMPLY because:
1) They don't obey you
2) They don't beleive everything you say
3) They are Gay
4) They hit another kid
5) They cursed at you...whatever the case.....
And then on TOP OF THAT you have the AUDACITY to claim that you LOVE THEM..... 🤨
And call yourself MERCIFUL 🙄
Oh and one more thing.....you never show yourself to your children. They're not even entirely sure if you exist. You never appear to them in person, but you write them letters to assure your existance and identity. Even though they've never seen you in person, you expect them to love you and beleive everything you say....
Well, kiddies, that is what your GOD DOES ! 😄
Justification 2:"God doesn't send us to Hell. We send ourselves. When we sin, we separate ourselves from God. God doesn't want us to go, but if you listen to Satan then you will end up with him. You might not know it, but Satan tempts you all the time, and if you listen to him, and not to God, then you will go to Hell....it's your own fault, not God's. So don't blame him." 😠
Response: Okay......first of all, how can you send yourself to a place where you have no access to ? When we die, we have no control over what happens afterward. How can you send youself to a place with no definate location ?
I know where that's headed "your sins become your road"
So as for that, let me put it this way. Let's just say for arguments sake God set it up, so that to be closer to him you must obey him, but to disobey him is a one way trip to Hell, and God warned you....
Okay yes...the Bible is a warning. Fair is fair. You already heard, so you cannot claim ignorance.....okay.
Why does God allow Satan to tempt us ?
I would never allow a bully, a child molestor, a wolf, a rapist, a murderer ANYWHERE near my children. I love them enough to shield them from such dangers.
So if God really loves us, how does he allow such a Dangerous creature, as the DEVIL himself, ANYWHERE near us, whether it be physically, mentally, spiritually, whatever......
Would Christ allow a wolf near his sheep ? I doubt it....so why allow the devil near your own children when you have the power to keep him away ?
On top of that, what is the USE of Hell ? WHY ETERNAL TORMENT ?Why not Oblivion or something less dramatic ?
Is GOD A SADIST ? DOES GOD FIND ETERNAL TORTURE NECESSARY ? I THNK AFTER THE FIRST FEW MINUTES OF HAVING MY FLESH TORN OFF, I'D REALIZE I WAS WRONG AND GET THE POINT ALREADY......WHY SUBJECT ME WITH AN ETERNITY TO "THINK ABOUT IT " ?
Rather harsh....and unmerficul coming from a supposedly loving God. Any human being would be tried with crimes against humanity with this bullshit. Hitler is looked up as the most evil being in history, yet all he did was MIMIC the concept of HELL.
How come it's okay when God does it ?
I don't know...can anyone here logically justify the existance of Hell as punishment ?
Can you people not understand that perhaps the most loving Being in the Universe, may have some guidelines to follow in order for yourself to "good enough" to be in His Almighty Presence?
God dealt out the Law, and said "if you are to be Righteous, you must be moral"
We can understand that better now because we know morality, every nation, culture, and race in the world has this "sense" of right and wrong. This What the bible meant when it said "the Word has been written on our hearts" Sorry to let you all know, that you feel bad about doing somethings sometimes because God loves you and is showing you that you are disobeying Him.
Hell is the punishment for those who sin. Originally it was made for Satan and his followers. Now it is also the future for Mankind who disobey God.
You mention "discipline" Hell is not discipline, Discipline happens here on Earth. After Earth if you are not following Jesus, the sacrifice of God for the remission of all sin, Hell is your place of residence... this Truth sucks doesn't it but it doesn't make it not true.
Romans 3:23 says For all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God
Romans 6:23 says For the Wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is Eternal Life through Christ Jesus our Lord.
Look at the Isrealites when they turned from God. Their "discipline" was being turned into Slaves and when they finally cried out to God, he rescued them. The heart of God is simple. He Loves us, and He wants us to Love Him back.
Sin causes a separation so wide, we cannot reach God. God calls out for us, but you reject Him. The problem is not in God it is in you. Do not try to push blame onto God. God loves you enough to give you a free will, oh bummer... and He wants you to Love Him by your own will. If you reject this than you make up your own mind. Obivously this is a conviction of yours... or why else would you read these posts or create these threads. If you wanted nothing to do with Christianity, you would have nothing to do with it. If you wish to deter us from our faith... have fun, because you go head to head against a Power that you cannot even begin to comprehend. Read what happened to Paul (Saul) in the book of Acts, He persecuted Christians and God met him face to face.
Originally posted by debbiejo
Hell is the payoff for not paying your tithes and becoming part of the flock.
I love how you bash christianity because of the face Roman Catholicism puts up.
Tithes is not something Christ taught, he taught giving you all.
Essentially you are correct, Jesus himself calls us Sheep for several reasons, Sheep were a symbol of Sacrifice (we are living Sacrfices to do His will Romans 12), they are a symbol of purity, because the only sheep that could be sacrificed was the one that was pure and spotless (we are cleansed from all unrighteousness if we confess our sins 1 John 1:9) Also sheep willing follow their shepherd, and look to him in times of danger and run to him for safety (this is what Christians do, we cry out to Him and He hears us and He is our shelter)
Originally posted by LFBC_GirGod is to blame, he created us and he already knows what we will do even before we do it so his is the creator of all, the destroyer of all and at the very top. He made the rules and what we have to do to “serve” him so he is to blame; there is no “choice” that we have to make because God is all knowing and all seeing so even before we are born he will know what we will do.
Can you people not understand that perhaps the most loving Being in the Universe, may have some guidelines to follow in order for yourself to "good enough" to be in His Almighty Presence?God dealt out the Law, and said "if you are to be Righteous, you must be moral"
We can understand that better now because we know morality, every nation, culture, and race in the world has this "sense" of right and wrong. This What the bible meant when it said "the Word has been written on our hearts" Sorry to let you all know, that you feel bad about doing somethings sometimes because God loves you and is showing you that you are disobeying Him.
Hell is the punishment for those who sin. Originally it was made for Satan and his followers. Now it is also the future for Mankind who disobey God.
You mention "discipline" Hell is not discipline, Discipline happens here on Earth. After Earth if you are not following Jesus, the sacrifice of God for the remission of all sin, Hell is your place of residence... this Truth sucks doesn't it but it doesn't make it not true.
Romans 3:23 says For all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God
Romans 6:23 says For the Wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is Eternal Life through Christ Jesus our Lord.Look at the Isrealites when they turned from God. Their "discipline" was being turned into Slaves and when they finally cried out to God, he rescued them. The heart of God is simple. He Loves us, and He wants us to Love Him back.
Sin causes a separation so wide, we cannot reach God. God calls out for us, but you reject Him. The problem is not in God it is in you. Do not try to push blame onto God. God loves you enough to give you a free will, oh bummer... and He wants you to Love Him by your own will. If you reject this than you make up your own mind. Obivously this is a conviction of yours... or why else would you read these posts or create these threads. If you wanted nothing to do with Christianity, you would have nothing to do with it. If you wish to deter us from our faith... have fun, because you go head to head against a Power that you cannot even begin to comprehend. Read what happened to Paul (Saul) in the book of Acts, He persecuted Christians and God met him face to face.
Originally posted by Fatima
Thank god for this punishment , some people deserve more 😄
Are you kidding ?
Originally posted by LFBC GIR
Can you people not understand that perhaps the most loving Being in the Universe, may have some guidelines to follow in order for yourself to "good enough" to be in His Almighty Presence?
Eternal Torture consitutes as "some guidelines" ? How absurd.
Originally posted by LFBC GIR
God dealt out the Law, and said "if you are to be Righteous, you must be moral"
Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah....that must be the 500th time I hear this nonsense. What does this have to do with God's decision to use torture as a punishment against his own children ?
Originally posted by LFBC GIR
We can understand that better now because we know morality, every nation, culture, and race in the world has this "sense" of right and wrong. This What the bible meant when it said "the Word has been written on our hearts" Sorry to let you all know, that you feel bad about doing somethings sometimes because God loves you and is showing you that you are disobeying Him.
Everyone's sense of right and wrong differs. There is no moral absolute, and that is what you fail to comprehend.
I do not feel bad about anything other than hurting another person. I do not feel bad about being Gay, or about being a non-beleiver. Please do not put words in my mouth.
Originally posted by LFBC GIR
Hell is the punishment for those who sin. Originally it was made for Satan and his followers. Now it is also the future for Mankind who disobey God.
I KNOW THIS ALREADY !
YOU ARE DODGING THE FKN POINT ! WHY DOES GOD NEED TO USE ETERNAL TORTURE AS A MEANS OF PUNISHMENT ?
Originally posted by LFBC GIR
You mention "discipline" Hell is not discipline, Discipline happens here on Earth. After Earth if you are not following Jesus, the sacrifice of God for the remission of all sin, Hell is your place of residence... this Truth sucks doesn't it but it doesn't make it not true.
I never used the word "discipline". I used the word PUNISHMENT.
Hell is the truth huh ? lol
I assume you can prove it ? Let me guess....you are going to shove some biblical quotes into this thread as your "proof" that the Bible speaks truth ahhahahaaa omg
And again you are dodging the POINT......
Originally posted by LFBC GIR
Romans 3:23 says For all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God
Romans 6:23 says For the Wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is Eternal Life through Christ Jesus our Lord.
So what....Why does God need to use TORTURE as punishment ?
Originally posted by LFBC GIR
Look at the Isrealites when they turned from God. Their "discipline" was being turned into Slaves and when they finally cried out to God, he rescued them. The heart of God is simple. He Loves us, and He wants us to Love Him back.
So what....Why does God need to use TORTURE as punishment ?
Originally posted by LFBC GIR
Sin causes a separation so wide, we cannot reach God. God calls out for us, but you reject Him.
So what....Why does God need to use TORTURE as punishment ?
Originally posted by LFBC GIR
The problem is not in God it is in you. Do not try to push blame onto God.
So what....Why does God need to use TORTURE as punishment ?
Originally posted by LFBC GIR
God loves you enough to give you a free will, oh bummer... and He wants you to Love Him by your own will. If you reject this than you make up your own mind. Obivously this is a conviction of yours... or why else would you read these posts or create these threads.
So what....Why does God need to use TORTURE as punishment ?
Originally posted by LFBC GIR
If you wanted nothing to do with Christianity, you would have nothing to do with it. If you wish to deter us from our faith... have fun, because you go head to head against a Power that you cannot even begin to comprehend. Read what happened to Paul (Saul) in the book of Acts, He persecuted Christians and God met him face to face.
So what....Why does God need to use TORTURE as punishment ?
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You have not answered the question presented at the beginning of this post. I asked anyone to justify Hell......I asked why is it necessary that God use HELL as punishment, and not just banishment or oblivion ? Why ETERNAL TORTURE.....
You have not directly attacked ANY of my points, you just went on preaching, and wasted your and my time.
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